I simply noted that there is a threshold of support Nazism one does not cross, and then the Sorites paradox was fallaciously invoked and then a further implication was made that I was engaging in a false dichotomy. Yet the dichotomy in question was posed by my critic, not by me.

I can't say what the exact, mathematical balance point of "too Nazi" is, but ignoring bald evidence that MAR Barker was a Nazi sympathizer and then defending him as some kind of flood dam against woke-ism is clearly over the fence. He was not an FBI agent, he was a Nazi who wrote Nazi stories about Nazis , published by Nazis. He sat in an advisory position on a journal of Holocaust denial, which makes him personally instrumental in advancing Holocaust denial. When he became Muslim, he probably named himself as a nod to Hitler's lament about the Battle of Tours and its effect on the Christianization and de-Islamification of Europe. Looking for nuance here is like trying to find the coolest spot to sit on the Sun.

Quote from: oggsmash on March 21, 2022, 05:43:35 PM
But sorry you seem to be a actual financial supporter of a nazi.

Well, a cover-upper of a Nazi, but yes. As I said already, this is immediate and personal to me. I am not pleased.

Quote from: Tubesock Army on March 21, 2022, 05:22:15 PM
LMAO @ anyone trynna blame me for their own stupid posts

I 100% agree with Pundit here, and I NEVER agree with him. Y'all lookin like straight clowns.

Well thankfully we're not gay clowns. But in context you're meaning that being a straight is bad... which further underscores my belief in your unconscious bias towards homoeroticism.

Or are you saying my reading comprehension is still bad?

I'm still waiting for your apology for you being racist to me.

Quote from: pawsplay on March 21, 2022, 05:45:35 PM
I simply noted that there is a threshold of support Nazism one does not cross, and then the Sorites paradox was fallaciously invoked and then a further implication was made that I was engaging in a false dichotomy. Yet the dichotomy in question was posed by my critic, not by me.

I can't say what the exact, mathematical balance point of "too Nazi" is, but ignoring bald evidence that MAR Barker was a Nazi sympathizer and then defending him as some kind of flood dam against woke-ism is clearly over the fence. He was not an FBI agent, he was a Nazi who wrote Nazi stories about Nazis , published by Nazis. He sat in an advisory position on a journal of Holocaust denial, which makes him personally instrumental in advancing Holocaust denial. When he became Muslim, he probably named himself as a nod to Hitler's lament about the Battle of Tours and its effect on the Christianization and de-Islamification of Europe. Looking for nuance here is like trying to find the coolest spot to sit on the Sun.

  No need to explain to me, I was sold back on page one with a educated white dude converting to Islam as an adult, and put him in the red on page 2.  I just did not see too much support of his position as much as people wanting more proof (this is the frigging internet) that he was a nazi, and some in denial about him being a nazi.  Others who were more or less meh about the dead dude.  No one suggested the FBI had him doing it other than Tuber.   If not rushing to condemn a dead man makes some of these dudes nazi sympathizers to you, so be it.

QuoteWell, a cover-upper of a Nazi, but yes. As I said already, this is immediate and personal to me. I am not pleased.

   That sucks.  I know next to nothing about his work, but I was under the impression that setting was from a very non euro perspective.  It seems this guy was an absolute master of disguise.

Quote from: oggsmash on March 21, 2022, 05:50:44 PM
  No need to explain to me, I was sold back on page one with a educated white dude converting to Islam as an adult, and put him in the red on page 2.  I just did not see too much support of his position as much as people wanting more proof (this is the frigging internet) that he was a nazi, and some in denial about him being a nazi.  Others who were more or less meh about the dead dude.  No one suggested the FBI had him doing it other than Tuber.   If not rushing to condemn a dead man makes some of these dudes nazi sympathizers to you, so be it.

Omega also suggested MAR Barker may have been involved in some kind of deep undercover... something.

Quote from: pawsplay on March 21, 2022, 05:45:35 PM
Well, a cover-upper of a Nazi, but yes. As I said already, this is immediate and personal to me. I am not pleased.

Well don't read your 'POD copy' of Empire of the Petal Throne then, your challenge will be overcome, or dodged, depending on whether you prefer to view yourself as a conscientious objector, or sniveling coward. If you had a book, I guess you could take the extra step and burn it, but in this case, formatting the hard drive containing it should suffice.

  I guess another way to look at things is, if you have the perception that  people  rather side with Nazis over woke folks, you might want to start to worry.   I never got that vibe, more the hesitant to cancel anyone for anything vibe.  But perception is reality for who ever has a that point of view I guess.

God damn this thread has levels of dumb that I no longer have levels of beer to keep up with

Quote from: pawsplay on March 21, 2022, 05:53:19 PM

Quote from: oggsmash on March 21, 2022, 05:50:44 PM
  No need to explain to me, I was sold back on page one with a educated white dude converting to Islam as an adult, and put him in the red on page 2.  I just did not see too much support of his position as much as people wanting more proof (this is the frigging internet) that he was a nazi, and some in denial about him being a nazi.  Others who were more or less meh about the dead dude.  No one suggested the FBI had him doing it other than Tuber.   If not rushing to condemn a dead man makes some of these dudes nazi sympathizers to you, so be it.

Omega also suggested MAR Barker may have been involved in some kind of deep undercover... something.

  He never implied the FBI or outside influence, I imagine, like you he probably had some of the dude's work in his possession and was looking for some reason a guy with that outward image would do such a thing.    Obviously it was not the FBI, because they did not try to get him to buy or sell an illegal firearm to anyone.  Or kidnap people.  Or plan bombings.

Quote from: Tubesock Army on March 21, 2022, 05:22:15 PMI 100% agree with Pundit here, and I NEVER agree with him. Y'all lookin like straight clowns.

Throughout this thread, Pundit has been strawmanning people's arguments, refusing to admit anyone might have a point, and engaging in petty name calling and accusations of transitive Nazi-ism.

Congratulations, the one time you agree with Pundit is when he's been a complete ass.

Quote from: Omega on March 21, 2022, 05:06:23 PM
So if he was writing about sacrificing kids to demons in lurid grotesque details. I missed it?

I haven't read the actual role-playing games in many years, but I don't recall there being much of that there at all. There's hints of weirdness in the DAW paperbacks, but the most concentrated distillation of that sort of shit is in Book of Ebon Bindings, which is all descriptions of demon worship and rituals.

Quote from: hedgehobbit on March 21, 2022, 05:57:27 PM

Quote from: Tubesock Army on March 21, 2022, 05:22:15 PMI 100% agree with Pundit here, and I NEVER agree with him. Y'all lookin like straight clowns.

Throughout this thread, Pundit has been strawmanning people's arguments, refusing to admit anyone might have a point, and engaging in petty name calling and accusations of transitive Nazi-ism.

Congratulations, the one time you agree with Pundit is when he's been a complete ass.

Bet Pundit will feel pretty proud to be in such exquisite company \o/

Quote from: yancy on March 21, 2022, 05:59:47 PM

Quote from: Omega on March 21, 2022, 05:06:23 PM
So if he was writing about sacrificing kids to demons in lurid grotesque details. I missed it?

I haven't read the actual role-playing games in many years, but I don't recall there being much of that there at all. There's hints of weirdness in the DAW paperbacks, but the most concentrated distillation of that sort of shit is in Book of Ebon Bindings, which is all descriptions of demon worship and rituals.

  I am guessing these descriptions were lurid and shocking (as in make you think a full on oddjob must have cooked it up)?

Quote from: pawsplay on March 21, 2022, 05:53:19 PM
Omega also suggested MAR Barker may have been involved in some kind of deep undercover... something.

Its within the realm of possibility as it has been done before. Even if only to keep tabs on a group.

Vanishingly unlikely in this case.

Quote from: oggsmash on March 21, 2022, 05:56:52 PM
  He never implied the FBI or outside influence, I imagine, like you he probably had some of the dude's work in his possession and was looking for some reason a guy with that outward image would do such a thing.    Obviously it was not the FBI, because they did not try to get him to buy or sell an illegal firearm to anyone.  Or kidnap people.  Or plan bombings.

I thought of the infiltration/subversion angle because I've seen it before. Sometimes for altruistic reasons. More often for very not good reasons.

I do not think it likely. But it was worth considering as the data came in and because this whole revelation of his supremacist background is at odds with what I knew of Barker and his writings up to that point.