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Quote from: Tubesock Army on March 18, 2022, 06:23:05 PM
I draw a distinction between "being aware of/exposed to" and "knowing a lot about". It's cool though, I see that reading comprehension, let alone nuance, is not your strong suit.

If you're mad about nazis being exposed, just say you love nazis. It's not like anyone on this forum's gonna care.

   I missed where he said he was mad about Nazi's being exposed.  I did notice where he pointed out you using language that was pretty slimy and deceptive when it is all taken as a whole.  You know, I have noticed the super feminist dudes are always very interested in tracking down men behaving badly, then....bam!!! Skeletons come tumbling out of the closet.  I hope that does not happen with you and your nazi hunting.

I missed the part where I said anything feminist

Your lack of reading comprehension =/= slimy and deceptive

  Speaking of reading comprehension...the ability to see a parallel being drawn rather than an explicit statement is beyond some folks.   Good luck with those skeletons.

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Quote from: Tubesock Army on March 18, 2022, 09:26:58 PM

Quote from: oggsmash on March 18, 2022, 07:27:37 PM

Quote from: Tubesock Army on March 18, 2022, 06:23:05 PM
I draw a distinction between "being aware of/exposed to" and "knowing a lot about". It's cool though, I see that reading comprehension, let alone nuance, is not your strong suit.

If you're mad about nazis being exposed, just say you love nazis. It's not like anyone on this forum's gonna care.

   I missed where he said he was mad about Nazi's being exposed.  I did notice where he pointed out you using language that was pretty slimy and deceptive when it is all taken as a whole.  You know, I have noticed the super feminist dudes are always very interested in tracking down men behaving badly, then....bam!!! Skeletons come tumbling out of the closet.  I hope that does not happen with you and your nazi hunting.

I missed the part where I said anything feminist

Your lack of reading comprehension =/= slimy and deceptive

  Speaking of reading comprehension...the ability to see a parallel being drawn rather than an explicit statement is beyond some folks.   Good luck with those skeletons.

Keep suckling that hypothetical, nerd.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 19, 2022, 01:34:17 AM

Isn't Tekumel a setting where the whites are seen as leser? Or am I mistaken?

There are not any white people at all, aside from albinos.
From the Tekumel Sourcebook it says the following bits.

QuoteThe original settlers of Tekumel were racially homogeneous. Ancient physical differences had been more or less eradicated and blended together during the centuries between the atomic Armageddon and man's expansion to the stars.

Complexions range from coppery brown to a golden tan. Noses are aquiline or straight ; hair is fine and straight, always a glossy black; and there is relatively little body hair.

Curly or brown-streaked hair is considered unbeautiful, and light-coloured eyes are thought to be a sign of inherent dishonesty.

There are, however, neither blonds nor very dark peoples in this part of Telumel.

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Quote from: RPGPundit on March 18, 2022, 03:09:17 PMSo the real question here is: did the Tekumel Foundation know about this the entire time and choose to cover it up for their own profit?

If you find out that someone you work with said some bad things, are you really morally obligated to broadcast that fact all over the internet immediately?

This ratting out of your friends and family to the state is something I've always condemned Communist regimes for doing.

You are morally obligated if the person in question is a Nazi and the "work with" means you are solely making money from his products, which you now own.

I mean for fucks sake, if it turned out that Barker had actually been affiliated with Al Qaeda and wrote some of their propaganda praising the overthrow of America and the killing of Christian infidels, would you be rushing to his fucking defense?

Quote from: tenbones on March 18, 2022, 05:07:36 PM
IF you agree that Tekumel has nothing to do with Neo-Nazism (however you want to define that)... then why the fuck does it matter if the Tekumel Foundation knew or didn't know about Barker's Bad Ideas in written form elsewhere?

My suggestion is not to accept the framing of your ideological adversaries and play their games.

"Those who play with the devil's toys will be brought by degrees to wield his sword."

Neo-Nazis ARE my "ideological adversaries".

The CRT-Right are no better than the CRT-Left. Barker, the Judges Guild Guy and Varg Vikernes are just as evil as the Swordsfall guy or the Coyote & Crow people.  They're all Race-Based Collectivist Totalitarians.

Which is unfortunately all the more reason to not bring this up. Or be locked in indecision. We do not know how much they knew of all this. Or for how long. Especially if Barker was as good at concealing this as it seems.

As said before. Damned if they do, damned if they dont.

This would be a different matter if the foundation was also as bad as Barker. But far as we know. They arent.

Damning them for not dragging out the skeleton in their closet is exactly what the Woke do. Beat on them if they do something wrong. Not for being afraid of the mob. Or just being indecisive about what to do.

Quote from: Omega on March 20, 2022, 01:23:22 PM
Which is unfortunately all the more reason to not bring this up. Or be locked in indecision. We do not know how much they knew of all this. Or for how long. Especially if Barker was as good at concealing this as it seems.

As said before. Damned if they do, damned if they dont.

This would be a different matter if the foundation was also as bad as Barker. But far as we know. They arent.

Damning them for not dragging out the skeleton in their closet is exactly what the Woke do. Beat on them if they do something wrong. Not for being afraid of the mob. Or just being indecisive about what to do.

THEY DID DO SOMETHING WRONG. They distorted history while protecting a Nazi so that they could keep on making money!

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Quote from: Omega on March 20, 2022, 01:23:22 PM
Which is unfortunately all the more reason to not bring this up. Or be locked in indecision. We do not know how much they knew of all this. Or for how long. Especially if Barker was as good at concealing this as it seems.

As said before. Damned if they do, damned if they dont.

This would be a different matter if the foundation was also as bad as Barker. But far as we know. They arent.

Damning them for not dragging out the skeleton in their closet is exactly what the Woke do. Beat on them if they do something wrong. Not for being afraid of the mob. Or just being indecisive about what to do.

THEY DID DO SOMETHING WRONG. They distorted history while protecting a Nazi so that they could keep on making money!

Greetings!

That is sad and disgusting that they would protect a Nazi.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: RPGPundit on March 20, 2022, 12:44:14 AM

Quote from: tenbones on March 18, 2022, 05:07:36 PM
IF you agree that Tekumel has nothing to do with Neo-Nazism (however you want to define that)... then why the fuck does it matter if the Tekumel Foundation knew or didn't know about Barker's Bad Ideas in written form elsewhere?

My suggestion is not to accept the framing of your ideological adversaries and play their games.

"Those who play with the devil's toys will be brought by degrees to wield his sword."

Neo-Nazis ARE my "ideological adversaries".

The CRT-Right are no better than the CRT-Left. Barker, the Judges Guild Guy and Varg Vikernes are just as evil as the Swordsfall guy or the Coyote & Crow people.  They're all Race-Based Collectivist Totalitarians.

And so what? By degrees and by inches you're going to engage in whatever they corner you into becoming *because* the ideology of "Neo-Nazis" can be mechanized for *any* belief. Replace (((Tribes))) with whatever fits your fancy - you will be playing the exact same game.

The POINT is you're playing the GAME. And you're doing it right now. If Tekumel is the product of someone that has "Neo-Nazi" thoughts in his dead head, and wrote a work of fiction about it, that happened to be published by like-minded people, you tell me exactly how far in evil is that from Lovecraft's views on blacks, jews or whomever he felt antipathy towards?

If the judgement is based upon degrees of "badness" - then that is arbitrary. That's why this thread exists. It's not to get you discussing with me what those degrees actually are, or even why they matter. ITS TO GET YOU TO PLAY THEIR GAME.

Because now they can simply point at the inconsistency of the application of your beliefs as being arbitrary and therefore no more of value than what they believe: which is NOTHING. The goal is to undermine your position without admitting to any position of their own.

And you do that immediately by defending a principle that exists simultaneously different only by slight degrees THAT NO ONE REALLY GIVES A SHIT ABOUT. That is how they operate.

Meanwhile - you're in the shit-pit slinging it out with bad actors who only want to see you covered with shit. They do not believe or care about what you believe, they do not care about what they say they believe. And you're playing their game.

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Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 18, 2022, 02:52:53 PM
I don't know why this would bother wokeists anyways. They're all anti-Semitic as fuck when you let them talk for too long.

They have this incredible sense of irony in that they can rail on and on about "right wing anti-semitism" being evil, while two seconds later they're covering for black activists brutally assaulting elderly Jews in NYC and cheering for "palestinian" groups whose stated public goals include the murder of every last Jew in Israel.

Its just the hierarchy of wokeness, Jewish people are ranked below Black people.

  Whoopi disagrees with that.

Whoopi think that Jews are more precious then Blacks?

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Quote from: Shasarak on March 17, 2022, 10:43:48 PM
Next Tubesock is going to break the news that Gygax wasted all his ADnD money on Hookers and Blow.

Well, you say wasted...

In the hypothetical it was Tubesock that said wasted

Quote from: RPGPundit on March 20, 2022, 01:55:01 PM

Quote from: Omega on March 20, 2022, 01:23:22 PM
Which is unfortunately all the more reason to not bring this up. Or be locked in indecision. We do not know how much they knew of all this. Or for how long. Especially if Barker was as good at concealing this as it seems.

As said before. Damned if they do, damned if they dont.

This would be a different matter if the foundation was also as bad as Barker. But far as we know. They arent.

Damning them for not dragging out the skeleton in their closet is exactly what the Woke do. Beat on them if they do something wrong. Not for being afraid of the mob. Or just being indecisive about what to do.

THEY DID DO SOMETHING WRONG. They distorted history while protecting a Nazi so that they could keep on making money!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip#:~:text=Operation%20Paperclip%20was%20a%20secret,Europe%2C%20between%201945%20and%201959.

So, we going to ban Tekumel and it's publishers from being mentioned on this site because MAR Barker reportedly wrote a piece of pro-Nazi fiction? I wouldn't want to get banned for mentioning a forbidden topic.

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Quote from: oggsmash on March 18, 2022, 07:22:49 PM

Quote from: Shasarak on March 18, 2022, 04:30:59 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on March 18, 2022, 03:12:43 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 18, 2022, 02:52:53 PM
I don't know why this would bother wokeists anyways. They're all anti-Semitic as fuck when you let them talk for too long.

They have this incredible sense of irony in that they can rail on and on about "right wing anti-semitism" being evil, while two seconds later they're covering for black activists brutally assaulting elderly Jews in NYC and cheering for "palestinian" groups whose stated public goals include the murder of every last Jew in Israel.

Its just the hierarchy of wokeness, Jewish people are ranked below Black people.

  Whoopi disagrees with that.

Whoopi think that Jews are more precious then Blacks?

  She got a suspension for saying something, and it was not about Black people.

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Quote from: Tubesock Army on March 18, 2022, 09:26:58 PM

Quote from: oggsmash on March 18, 2022, 07:27:37 PM

Quote from: Tubesock Army on March 18, 2022, 06:23:05 PM
I draw a distinction between "being aware of/exposed to" and "knowing a lot about". It's cool though, I see that reading comprehension, let alone nuance, is not your strong suit.

If you're mad about nazis being exposed, just say you love nazis. It's not like anyone on this forum's gonna care.

   I missed where he said he was mad about Nazi's being exposed.  I did notice where he pointed out you using language that was pretty slimy and deceptive when it is all taken as a whole.  You know, I have noticed the super feminist dudes are always very interested in tracking down men behaving badly, then....bam!!! Skeletons come tumbling out of the closet.  I hope that does not happen with you and your nazi hunting.

I missed the part where I said anything feminist

Your lack of reading comprehension =/= slimy and deceptive

  Speaking of reading comprehension...the ability to see a parallel being drawn rather than an explicit statement is beyond some folks.   Good luck with those skeletons.

Keep suckling that hypothetical, nerd.

  Unlikely to give it a second thought.  Keep the nazi hunt going bro, you are changing the world one dead guy at a time.

Hitler remarked he would have preferred the Muslims had won the Battle of Tours (732).  He said he thought Islam would have been preferable for the "German character," calling Christianity "flabby." (link for context)
Phillip Barker changed his name to Muhammad Abd-al-Rahman Barker when he converted to Islam.
The Muslim leader defeated at the Battle of Tours was Muhammad Abdul Rahman Al-Ghafiqi.
I think it's likely MAR Barker renamed himself after a statement by Hitler to indicate his agreement.