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Did Professor M.A.R. Barker write an anti-Semitic book under a pen name?

Started by Tubesock Army, March 17, 2022, 08:50:03 AM

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Tubesock Army

According to this reddit post, he did:

https://www.reddit.com/r/osr/comments/tg316v/mar_barker_creator_of_t%C3%A9kumel_and_empire_of_the/

I don't really know that much about Barker or Tekumel, and I don't know enough about the people involved to make a judgment call on its being true or not. Maybe someone else here does.

oggsmash

  I know he was a convert to Islam.  Seems there is some friction between Islam and Judaism....who knew?

tenbones

Why are you asking us? LOL

I don't know. Did he?

And am I supposed to care?


Zalman

Old School? Back in my day we just called it "School."

Abraxus

People are not perfect and on our daily news water is wet and grass is green.

What an train wreck some of the comments in the Reddit are " what do you mean an rpg author I liked is not perfect. How dare he not be"

Get over it we are flaws and imperfect as human beings.

Note not a fan of any one who supports anything related  to anti-Semitism.

If I worried about every author political leanings I would never read anything. 

jhkim

Quote from: Abraxus on March 17, 2022, 11:02:49 AM
If I worried about every author political leanings I would never read anything.

Yeah, that's how I generally am. But a lot of people do care about the politics of RPG creators, as evidenced in the "TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies".

https://www.therpgsite.com/pen-paper-roleplaying-games-rpgs-discussion/list-ttrpg-guide-to-woke-companies/

So this seems like it's relevant. The Tekumel forum post linked has some more context on Serpent's Walk. Pundit doesn't like posting to white supremacy sites, but I see some discussion of Serpent's Walk on Stormfront - below is a sample.

QuoteI bought a used copy of Serpents Walk off Amazon in 2008. The seller wanted $35, a bit pricey for a fictional novel but I could not find it anywhere else, so I paid the $35. I can honestly say it was worth every penny -- one of the best pro-white, NS fictional novels I have ever read! Better than Hunter and The Turner Diaries in my opinion. Although, I thoroughly enjoyed both of those novels as well.

It was not written by Dr. Pierce, but indeed a long-time National Alliance member. There is a distinct difference in writing styles between the two.

HappyDaze

Quote from: Abraxus on March 17, 2022, 11:02:49 AM
People are not perfect and on our daily news water is wet and grass is green.

What an train wreck some of the comments in the Reddit are " what do you mean an rpg author I liked is not perfect. How dare he not be"

Get over it we are flaws and imperfect as human beings.

Note not a fan of any one who supports anything related  to anti-Semitism.

If I worried about every author political leanings I would never read anything.
This is the forum where a new outrage thread gets made everytime an RPG writer supports (or reportely supports) something in any way leaning liberal/progressive/socialist/whatever abhorrent, so this thread is really just as appropriate as those unless...

VisionStorm

Quote from: jhkim on March 17, 2022, 12:28:04 PM
Quote from: Abraxus on March 17, 2022, 11:02:49 AM
If I worried about every author political leanings I would never read anything.

Yeah, that's how I generally am. But a lot of people do care about the politics of RPG creators, as evidenced in the "TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies".

https://www.therpgsite.com/pen-paper-roleplaying-games-rpgs-discussion/list-ttrpg-guide-to-woke-companies/

There's a difference between genuinely carrying about a creator's politics, and refusing to give your money to people not merely having political opinions in their own time, but actively trying to hurt you and work against you back in the real world and/or injecting those views into their work. I believe the latter is more in line with the spirit of that thread than the former.

Many people here strongly disagree with Pedro Pascal's politics, but still praise the Mandalorian (cuz it has nothing to do with his politics).

Quote from: HappyDaze on March 17, 2022, 12:29:12 PM
Quote from: Abraxus on March 17, 2022, 11:02:49 AM
People are not perfect and on our daily news water is wet and grass is green.

What an train wreck some of the comments in the Reddit are " what do you mean an rpg author I liked is not perfect. How dare he not be"

Get over it we are flaws and imperfect as human beings.

Note not a fan of any one who supports anything related  to anti-Semitism.

If I worried about every author political leanings I would never read anything.
This is the forum where a new outrage thread gets made everytime an RPG writer supports (or reportely supports) something in any way leaning liberal/progressive/socialist/whatever abhorrent, so this thread is really just as appropriate as those unless...

See above. Not that I'm claiming this thread is inappropriate somehow or that people don't complain about at least some of this stuff. I still think that it falls under RPG discussions. But false equivalences are a thing.

THE_Leopold

so? and?

Aren't you the one proclaiming to not hate the art for the artist?
NKL4Lyfe

jhkim

Quote from: VisionStorm on March 17, 2022, 12:53:03 PM
Quote from: jhkim on March 17, 2022, 12:28:04 PM
Quote from: Abraxus on March 17, 2022, 11:02:49 AM
If I worried about every author political leanings I would never read anything.

Yeah, that's how I generally am. But a lot of people do care about the politics of RPG creators, as evidenced in the "TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies".

https://www.therpgsite.com/pen-paper-roleplaying-games-rpgs-discussion/list-ttrpg-guide-to-woke-companies/

There's a difference between genuinely carrying about a creator's politics, and refusing to give your money to people not merely having political opinions in their own time, but actively trying to hurt you and work against you back in the real world and/or injecting those views into their work. I believe the latter is more in line with the spirit of that thread than the former.

Many people here strongly disagree with Pedro Pascal's politics, but still praise the Mandalorian (cuz it has nothing to do with his politics).

Some posters may think that way and only judge on content, but I know there are posters who have rejected all new Star Wars work because of the politics of the current creators.

Note that this isn't about Barker's privately held beliefs. It's about his published work by which he actively spread his views. His published books are at least as relevant as, say, social media postings. A lot of the Woke guide is about social media and marketing language - not about the gaming content itself.

Redwanderer

Crying shame ain't more people whining about the anti-white stuff from things like ADL and SPLC and MURDER bigotry from BLM. What, some kinds of bigotry okay but not others?

hedgehobbit

Quote from: Tubesock Army on March 17, 2022, 08:50:03 AMhttps://www.reddit.com/r/osr/comments/tg316v/mar_barker_creator_of_t%C3%A9kumel_and_empire_of_the/

I read that thread but there wasn't in much in the way of concrete evidence other than "It's the publisher of the Turner Diaries" (as if any normal human being knows what that is). Lots of "I skimmed a chapter" and "I googled it." But that's /r/OSR for you. The main reason I avoid association with the OSR.

And the most pro-nazi book I've ever read was written by a jewish dude, Norman Spinrad's The Iron Dream.

Jaeger

Quote from: tenbones on March 17, 2022, 10:27:17 AM
Why are you asking us? LOL

I don't know. Did he?

And am I supposed to care?

Unless I'm grossly mistaken M.A.R. Baker has been dead for years.

Can't get more cancelled than that.

But it's never too late to beat a dead horse.

I'm sure places like Drive-thru, and the various websites carrying on and profiting from his work will pull it all down just like they did for all material related to H.P. Lovecraft's Mythos...
"The envious are not satisfied with equality; they secretly yearn for superiority and revenge."

RPGPundit

This is absolutely shocking. And the question was whether Barker's heirs, the "tekumel foundation" had any knowledge of it, and brushed it under the carpet?
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