Quote from: S'mon on March 18, 2022, 03:11:00 PM
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So I'll be able to buy Wilderlands stuff again when someone decent owns the IP? 
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I think we're talking past each other a bit here.

My digs were at the inconsistency of the wokeosos standards with their newfound outrage at Baker.


hedgehobbit hit the nail on the head far better than me:

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Quote from: Jaeger on March 18, 2022, 02:06:02 PMBut If Bakers works are to be purged from elfgame land then everything derived from Lovecraft ought to meet a similar fate.

Unless we are now saying that some types of racism are more vile than others...

Lovecraft's stories and creatures are largely in the public domain and SJWs can profit from them. Hence Lovecraft gets off with a warning.

Tekumel is not, so Barker gets the full cancel treatment.

It's a simple as that.

The mad on they have for Judges Guild would be more consistent since that is still owned by a living person.

But when it comes to creators who have passed their sell-by date; they really need to make up their minds...

The only consistency wokeoso's prove themselves to have is that they are perpetually inconsistent.

So one can't even take their hate on for Judges guild seriously. (Pundits post in Reply #61 shows why.)

It is all about what points they can score in the moment, however they can score them.

Tenbones is correct - this is just Tubesock getting his: "Golly, gee, did you know guys..." happy dance on.


As for Wilderlands... I don't care, buy whatever. I certainly can't throw stones.

I own Conan books, still watch Mel Gibson movies, and while I'm not a fan of her work; J.K. Rowling said nothing wrong.

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Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 18, 2022, 02:52:53 PM
I don't know why this would bother wokeists anyways. They're all anti-Semitic as fuck when you let them talk for too long.

They have this incredible sense of irony in that they can rail on and on about "right wing anti-semitism" being evil, while two seconds later they're covering for black activists brutally assaulting elderly Jews in NYC and cheering for "palestinian" groups whose stated public goals include the murder of every last Jew in Israel.

Its just the hierarchy of wokeness, Jewish people are ranked below Black people.

  Whoopi disagrees with that.

Quote from: Tubesock Army on March 18, 2022, 06:23:05 PM
I draw a distinction between "being aware of/exposed to" and "knowing a lot about". It's cool though, I see that reading comprehension, let alone nuance, is not your strong suit.

If you're mad about nazis being exposed, just say you love nazis. It's not like anyone on this forum's gonna care.

   I missed where he said he was mad about Nazi's being exposed.  I did notice where he pointed out you using language that was pretty slimy and deceptive when it is all taken as a whole.  You know, I have noticed the super feminist dudes are always very interested in tracking down men behaving badly, then....bam!!! Skeletons come tumbling out of the closet.  I hope that does not happen with you and your nazi hunting.

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Quote from: Tubesock Army on March 18, 2022, 06:23:05 PM
I draw a distinction between "being aware of/exposed to" and "knowing a lot about". It's cool though, I see that reading comprehension, let alone nuance, is not your strong suit.

If you're mad about nazis being exposed, just say you love nazis. It's not like anyone on this forum's gonna care.

   I missed where he said he was mad about Nazi's being exposed.  I did notice where he pointed out you using language that was pretty slimy and deceptive when it is all taken as a whole.  You know, I have noticed the super feminist dudes are always very interested in tracking down men behaving badly, then....bam!!! Skeletons come tumbling out of the closet.  I hope that does not happen with you and your nazi hunting.

I missed the part where I said anything feminist

Your lack of reading comprehension =/= slimy and deceptive

Greetings!

I don't care what obscure book Barker wrote under some pseudonym, with "allegations" that it was "Politically Problematic". The guy is dead and gone. Meanwhile, he was a giant in the RPG hobby, and contributed greatly to the hobby's intellectual and creative landscape. End of story. Buy his game books if you want. If you don't want to buy his books, oh well. That's fine too. All of this bullshit and crying 35 years and more after he created hi RPG books--and a decade or more after the man has been dead. God knows whenever he published his weird political book. Who cares? It is entirely obscure, ad has few fans, let alone many people that even know about it or have read it.

Having said that, fuck anti-Semitism.

You know what else? Fuck all these Liberal, cock-sucking parasites and grifting jackasses and "Community Activists". All of this bullshit,yes, again, has its roots in Marxism, and Marxist strategies forcorrupting and overthrowing a society and culture. It's all about "Erasing History". These Liberal Marxist jacksses love digging up anything, no matter how obscure, so as to "enlighten" everyone else about how evil and racist everyone has been.

I have news for you. Most everyone, everywhere, fifry years ago was racist and bigoted--about some flavour at any rate--everywhere, and likely everyone. Including people in your neighbirhood, your community, your own family.

And you know what else? Much of the wider world beyond your doorstep are also deeply racist, bigoted, and whatever else. China, Africa, the Middle East, South America, for example. Some also too in Europe and America, though less so than many others. Ultimately, though, who cares? People prefer their own tribe, and don't like other tribes. That's what it boils down to. People change and grow when they feel like it.

AS for the Liberal, cock-sucking crybabies here, instead of sobbing about the terrible wrong-think crimes of HP Lovecraft and Barker, why not focus on the fucking hordes of young college students, often led and supported by their professors, in having public, on-campus rallies where they call for the death and extermination of Jews everywhere, and especially the domination and subjection of the nation of Israel? They also often scream about how Christians are evil as well, and need to also be killed. Furthermore, these scum also screech about how evil capitalism is, and how great and wonderful Communism and Islam are.

How about actually getting angry and worked up about people, right here, right now, in our communities, that are actively working to impoverish, hurt, and oppress Jews and Christians, and garden-variety patriot Capitalists alike? How about getting worked up into a froth about the Liberal whore politicians of "The Squad" that pander to these hordes, and whip them into frenzies, and inspire them to become even more radical, insane, and full of hatred?   

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Jeez, people, smarten up here!  Tenbones is right.  This is straight out of Alinsky's Rules for Radicals:  "Make the enemy live up to his own book of rules."

What is the most vexing thing (to the left) that this site has done in a long time?  The red list of companies.  It ended up on websites all over the net, social media, etc.  So what does Tubesoock do?  Present a situation to try and discredit the list via distortion and doubt.  He even mentioned the list while presenting the accusations!  He doesn't care about anti-semitism.  I guarantee he follows all sorts of people (on the left, of course) who are just as anti-semitic as Barker.  He's just trying to sow division.

This is what you gullible dupes need to learn.  This isn't a battles of principles.  The left has no fucking principles.  Just tactics.  Stop accepting their framing of the issues and stop believing that they are arguing in good faith.  Do you think this same guy is as opposed to present BDS movements as he is some dead guy's book nobody has read?  He can't and won't demonstrate the same dedication to"principles" as he demands of you.  So stop letting him lead you by the nose.  I thought some of you were smarter than that.

As for Tubesock, how about you provide a little context for your "disagreement" with Barker.  He was a convert to Islam, which has anti-semitism written directly in its holy books.  Do you object to the role Islam played in his anti-semitism?  In fact, is Islam right about Jews, the role of women, gays?  Why are you focusing on the symptom (Barker) rather than the disease (Islamic teachings)?  Should we hold all Islamic writers of RPGs to the same standard as you are Barker?

Folks, watch the dodging start.  This whole thread isn't about anti-semitism, its roots, or Barker.  It's about attacking the premise of the red games list.  And you dolts fell for it...

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This seems at odds with his professed beliefs unless I am mission something here.

This (kind of statement) to me is the weirdest thing - what are those professed beliefs of MAR that are incompatible with Neo-Nazism? The real Nazis always had a very high regard for Islam; Himmler regarded Islam as much superior to Christianity. Islam has often been a vehicle for anti-Semitic (anti-Jewish) beliefs.

Anyway, if Judges Guild is Red because of the founder's son's trailer park racist sh*tposting, I don't see how Tekumel can not be put in Red also. This seems to me more like a Varg Vikernes type situation of an actual Neo-Nazi-authored RPG.

The differences are: Barker has been dead for a decade, and there's nothing in Tekumel itself that's anti-semitic or racist. Whereas Vikernes is very much alive and his book is an overtly racist RPG.

THIS.

IMHO the list is for either games promoting the ideology or companies/people with anti-consumer practices.

Isn't Tekumel a setting where the whites are seen as leser? Or am I mistaken?

Quote from: Eirikrautha on March 18, 2022, 11:26:47 PM
Jeez, people, smarten up here!  Tenbones is right.  This is straight out of Alinsky's Rules for Radicals:  "Make the enemy live up to his own book of rules."

What is the most vexing thing (to the left) that this site has done in a long time?  The red list of companies.  It ended up on websites all over the net, social media, etc.  So what does Tubesoock do?  Present a situation to try and discredit the list via distortion and doubt.  He even mentioned the list while presenting the accusations!  He doesn't care about anti-semitism.  I guarantee he follows all sorts of people (on the left, of course) who are just as anti-semitic as Barker.  He's just trying to sow division.

This is what you gullible dupes need to learn.  This isn't a battles of principles.  The left has no fucking principles.  Just tactics.  Stop accepting their framing of the issues and stop believing that they are arguing in good faith.  Do you think this same guy is as opposed to present BDS movements as he is some dead guy's book nobody has read?  He can't and won't demonstrate the same dedication to"principles" as he demands of you.  So stop letting him lead you by the nose.  I thought some of you were smarter than that.

As for Tubesock, how about you provide a little context for your "disagreement" with Barker.  He was a convert to Islam, which has anti-semitism written directly in its holy books.  Do you object to the role Islam played in his anti-semitism?  In fact, is Islam right about Jews, the role of women, gays?  Why are you focusing on the symptom (Barker) rather than the disease (Islamic teachings)?  Should we hold all Islamic writers of RPGs to the same standard as you are Barker?

Folks, watch the dodging start.  This whole thread isn't about anti-semitism, its roots, or Barker.  It's about attacking the premise of the red games list.  And you dolts fell for it...

Yep, Cocksuck Soyarmy has a long while trying to make us put who HE deems as evul in the list.

But even Varg's game is there BECAUSE the game is racist. Just like Coyote & Crow and other examples.

Point me where in Tekumel is the anti-semitism.

I'm wondering when ya'll are going to just start ignoring a guy who has, "I'M JUST HERE TO LAUGH AT YOU" printed underneath his avatar. 'Cause, ya'know, Tubesock Amy couldn't be any more obvious about his trolling.

Quote from: Shasarak on March 17, 2022, 10:43:48 PM
Next Tubesock is going to break the news that Gygax wasted all his ADnD money on Hookers and Blow.

Well, you say wasted...

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 19, 2022, 01:34:17 AM
IMHO the list is for either games promoting the ideology or companies/people with anti-consumer practices.

If that's the case then Judges Guild should be taken off. Along with any leftist publishers with nasty opinions that aren't expressed in the game.

Quote from: jeff37923 on March 19, 2022, 02:39:26 AM
I'm wondering when ya'll are going to just start ignoring a guy who has, "I'M JUST HERE TO LAUGH AT YOU" printed underneath his avatar. 'Cause, ya'know, Tubesock Amy couldn't be any more obvious about his trolling.

Yeah, it's pretty much self-inflicted misery on both ends. That shit hurts your brain and changes the way it operates. That's why everyone here seems so on edge a lot of the time.

Quote from: S'mon on March 19, 2022, 03:48:41 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 19, 2022, 01:34:17 AM
IMHO the list is for either games promoting the ideology or companies/people with anti-consumer practices.

If that's the case then Judges Guild should be taken off. Along with any leftist publishers with nasty opinions that aren't expressed in the game.

I believe that the bolded part is why they're there (leftist publishers at least, IDK about Judges Guild).

Quote from: SHARK on March 18, 2022, 10:01:27 PM
... Ultimately, though, who cares? People prefer their own tribe, and don't like other tribes. That's what it boils down to. People change and grow when they feel like it.

The methods used to create "The Third Wave" are not limited to "Nazis". Anything can be used to unify and tribalize.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Third_Wave_(experiment)
Reporting those that don't confirm gives a feeling of power to those that otherwise feel they don't have any.
"Nazi Lover" is such an easy smear.

Quote from: jeff37923 on March 19, 2022, 02:39:26 AM
I'm wondering when ya'll are going to just start ignoring a guy who has, "I'M JUST HERE TO LAUGH AT YOU" printed underneath his avatar. 'Cause, ya'know, Tubesock Amy couldn't be any more obvious about his trolling.

I started ignoring him months ago. He joined the elite group of "people I actually find distasteful enough to bother with the ignore list" that, including him, is all of three entries.

Now if you'd all just stop quoting him (as if his statements had any value), I could finally ignore him entirely.

Quote from: SHARK on March 18, 2022, 10:01:27 PM
Greetings!

I don't care what obscure book Barker wrote under some pseudonym, with "allegations" that it was "Politically Problematic". The guy is dead and gone. Meanwhile, he was a giant in the RPG hobby, and contributed greatly to the hobby's intellectual and creative landscape. End of story.

Unfortunately not end of story as it turns out Barker was backing a hate group and a member of said group. That puts a notable stain on everything hes written irrespective of if its got any of his agenda in it or not.

But as said above. Apparently he was really good at concealing this? This is quite a Jekyll and Hyde situation if so.

But then alot of designers and publishers are really good at hiding their dirty dealings or even bloody skeletons in their closets. And I refuse to do business with these people. I am not going to reward them for being scum and treating other people like dirt. In alot of ways they are far more wretched than the ones that stand out and proudly brag about their hateful acts.

Will I keep playing Adventures on Tekumel when in the mood? Yes. I already bought it and I'll be go to hell if the woke cult is going to tell me to stop. Moreso because they are involved in this mess and that involvement casts doubt on anything uncovered.