Quote from: Seanchai;348621Will you be creating a forum where we can bring such violators to the moderators' attention? Or perhaps add a report button?

Seanchai

Seanchai,

 There is a Help section at the bottom of the index page.
Here:
http://www.therpgsite.com/forumdisplay.php?f=15

You already knew that tho.....


- Ed C.


As far as I know - my only post in this thread.

Quote from: Koltar;348627There is a feedback section at the bottom of the index page.
You already knew that tho.....

Ah, the point goeth *whoosh*...

Seanchai

Quote from: RPGPundit;348599...the thread has at this point de-evolved to all the usual suspects coming along to take their turns to be smacked down yet again by the Pundit.

I'm reminded from time to time how truly fragile and fussy you are.

!i!

Look, I'm all for watching Pundit back himself into a corner and invite poking with pointy sticks, but just check this shit out:

Quote from: RPGPundit;348267And speaking of "harping endlessly", your posts are beginning to become nothing but a stream of anti-pundit attacks. I'd suggest you stop it. People who don't contribute and are clearly here only to stalk someone they're obsessed about in some pathetic childish dick-waving contest don't tend to do well.

Quote from: RPGPundit;348302Disingenuous is also, for example, certain people on here pretending that they give a fuck about this topic or even this board, when they only really want to try to make cheap shots on me. I like how the very people claiming I'm "trolling" are the ones who are most obviously trolling this thread and forum in the classic sense of the term.

Quote from: RPGPundit;348461I mean people who post virtually nothing but attacks on my person (or any other individual poster) and who seemingly dedicate their time on theRPGsite to scanning the threads for any post by me just to type out a response that has ZERO content and amounts to a personal attack, and rarely if ever do anything else.

Let's not get too psychoanalytic about it, but I think there's more Pundit ego involved in this thread than we usually see.

Quote from: RPGPundit;348527Ahhh. I see. I hadn't captured the subtlety of his issue what with his roundabout passive-aggressive parlance.

Interesting, because the initial comments above were aimed at me.  Why me?  I am not chief of the Pundit antagonists.  Ian Absentia, for example, goes in like he's training for the Olympic Pundit-cornering event.

I've looked over my recent comment history for signs of "a stream of anti-pundit attacks", but seen nothing that qualifies.  In fact, I'm one of the only posters here who qualifies criticism of Pundit with recognition of his frequently clever and apposite posts.

What I do see, however, is a couple of comments I've made regarding F:tA! versus retro-clones, and this is where the passive-aggressiveness comes in.  Consciously or otherwise, Pundit rags the OSR because he believes it deprives the game he wrote of its due recognition.  "If only the filthy grognards weren't resurrecting OD&D, it would my game - mine! - leading the classic gaming renaissance!"

Pundit has set himself up as the Salieri in a one-man melodrama.

F:tA! might be brilliant.  It might do old-school better than old school.  I don't know because I've never played it.  But Pundit, if you want to spruik your game, do it openly.  You're not going to make it popular by carping at retro-clones and the people who play them, especially since everyone can see that that's what you're trying to do.

Quote from: RPGPundit;348599The reason I missed it was very simple: I couldn't give a twopenny fuck about your personal moral conundrums.
I'm sure that over in Ronin-world, your beef with Koltar is a massive issue of cosmic proportions. But over here in the real world, I don't give a fuck.

Well, holy shit. Someone get Alanis Morissette on the phone and tell her we have a perfect example of irony she can learn from.

Read this thread over again, Pundit, and you'll find that no-one gives a twopenny fuck about your personal moral condundrums.

I'm sure that over in Pundit-world, your beef with the Forgites is a massive issue of cosmic proportions.   But over here in the real world, we don't give a fuck.

Quote from: Seanchai;348621Will you be creating a forum where we can bring such violators to the moderators' attention? Or perhaps add a report button?

Seanchai

There's already an option to report; but almost anyone who's ever reported anything but spam has been disappointed.
What really works around here is just talking to me if you have a problem with another poster; its not rocket-science, its pretty easy to spot someone who's engaging in "stalking" behaviour.

RPGPundit

Not me- I'm invisible! It says so in red!

Quote from: Hairfoot;348781Interesting, because the initial comments above were aimed at me.  Why me?  I am not chief of the Pundit antagonists.  Ian Absentia, for example, goes in like he's training for the Olympic Pundit-cornering event.

I'd also recently seen more productive posting from Ian than I had from you.  I think that trying to snipe at me is a pretty stupid and pointless exercise, and basically hides a lack of confidence in being able to actually argue/debate with me over the facts of the thread in question, but I'm considerably less tolerant of this activity if it seems to be (or evolves to become) the ONLY thing someone is doing.

QuoteWhat I do see, however, is a couple of comments I've made regarding F:tA! versus retro-clones, and this is where the passive-aggressiveness comes in.  Consciously or otherwise, Pundit rags the OSR because he believes it deprives the game he wrote of its due recognition.  "If only the filthy grognards weren't resurrecting OD&D, it would my game - mine! - leading the classic gaming renaissance!"

Pundit has set himself up as the Salieri in a one-man melodrama.

Absurd. I was never under the slightest illusion that my game would ever become anything more than the moderately-successful game that it is.

QuoteF:tA! might be brilliant.  It might do old-school better than old school.  I don't know because I've never played it.  But Pundit, if you want to spruik your game, do it openly.  

I'm not very sure what "spruik" means, but if it basically means "shill", you haven't been paying a lot of attention. I do shill my games, shamelessly. I have no need of doing so in any kind of a hidden fashion.

As much as detractors want to try to play make-believe that my issues with the OSR have something to do with FtA! specifically, they in fact have everything to do with the fact that:
A) I love D&D
and
B) I think that the promotion of Old School can be an enormous force for good in our hobby, and would wish that this promotion take a form that is more broad-minded than what I see from many of the OSR-crowd.

QuoteRead this thread over again, Pundit, and you'll find that no-one gives a twopenny fuck about your personal moral condundrums.

I'm sure that over in Pundit-world, your beef with the Forgites is a massive issue of cosmic proportions.   But over here in the real world, we don't give a fuck.

Nearly five years of having one of the most popular gaming blogs around, this forum, and (most significantly) the vast amount of online battles that have been waged regarding the Forge, "theory", GNS, and "storygaming" where I haven't had anything to do with it, threads and blogs from people who barely even know of my existence, all add up to make it pretty fucking clear a shitload of people do, in fact, give a fuck about this particularly conundrum.

When I see hundreds of thousands of forum posts, over the course of years and years, dedicated to how annoying Koltar is, then I'll be willing to accept that Ronin's little crusade is equivalent to my own.

RPGPundit

Quote from: RPGPunditI'd also recently seen more productive posting from Ian than I had from you.  I think that trying to snipe at me is a pretty stupid and pointless exercise, and basically hides a lack of confidence in being able to actually argue/debate with me over the facts of the thread in question, but I'm considerably less tolerant of this activity if it seems to be (or evolves to become) the ONLY thing someone is doing.

Arrant bullshit.   You make statements that so defy reality that we all come away convinced you're simply trying to cause sensation, then you carry on as though you genuinely believe you're stating obvious truths.  The Pundit character is certainly enigmatic, but I'm starting to think it may be in the Dave Sim way.

Here's my post history for the last month.  I invite any and all - Pundit included - to examine it and judge for themselves if sniping at Pundit is the only thing I do here, to the exclusion of productive posting.

Quote from: RPGPunditNearly five years of having one of the most popular gaming blogs around, this forum, and (most significantly) the vast amount of online battles that have been waged regarding the Forge, "theory", GNS, and "storygaming" where I haven't had anything to do with it, threads and blogs from people who barely even know of my existence, all add up to make it pretty fucking clear a shitload of people do, in fact, give a fuck about this particularly conundrum.

Surely you realise that no-one takes your self-congratulation seriously.  Wild exaggeration in service of ego is as Pundit as pipe-smoking.

I just popped over to your blog and looked through a dozen or so pages.  Of the few entries that attracted comments, over half the comments were yours.  I don't know what constitutes "having one of the most popular gaming blogs around", but yours appears less popular than any of the gaming blogs I visit with any regularity - and that's few.

I'm sure storygaming is the new Nazism in the echo chamber you've helped construct, but no-one in the wider world gives a stuff, because it's an insignificant fringe of an insignificant fringe of a hobby.  Many of the people on this site had never even heard of storygames, Swine or the Forge until they were blindsided by one your frenzied attacks.

On the other hand, it looks like you're having fun with it.  I'll give it a go.  I hereby declare that LARPers are going to overthrow the democratic west.  If you refuse to debate the topic with me because it's clearly apeshit insane, then you must lack the confidence and ability to argue with me.

Quote from: Hairfoot;348781I've looked over my recent comment history for signs of "a stream of anti-pundit attacks", but seen nothing that qualifies.  In fact, I'm one of the only posters here who qualifies criticism of Pundit with recognition of his frequently clever and apposite posts.

I just made the same exercise and got the same results.

I don't think, though, the Pundit's trying to covertly shill FtA! by poking at OSR, he's been open and honest about it. I believe his motives to do that, because I believe he really sees a movement there with the characteristics he adjudicates to it. Thing is, I disagree on that characteristics, but I don't see his discourse as a sales pitch in any form.

QuoteRead this thread over again, Pundit, and you'll find that no-one gives a twopenny fuck about your personal moral condundrums.

I'm sure that over in Pundit-world, your beef with the Forgites is a massive issue of cosmic proportions.   But over here in the real world, we don't give a fuck.

Thing is, that could be said about any moral conundrum over the Internet

Quote from: Hairfoot;348858I just popped over to your blog and looked through a dozen or so pages.  Of the few entries that attracted comments, over half the comments were yours.  I don't know what constitutes "having one of the most popular gaming blogs around", but yours appears less popular than any of the gaming blogs I visit with any regularity - and that's few.

I'm sure storygaming is the new Nazism in the echo chamber you've helped construct, but no-one in the wider world gives a stuff, because it's an insignificant fringe of an insignificant fringe of a hobby.  Many of the people on this site had never even heard of storygames, Swine or the Forge until they were blindsided by one your frenzied attacks.

Pundit has said on previous occasion that he never quotes sources for many of his antics, so it's not unsurprising that he claims to have a very successful blog without sustaining that statement with data. Nothing new, really.

Of all the avenues available to take a poke at Pundit (and lets face it, he provides many), i think that claiming his blog isn't popular is not a fruitful one.

Quote from: One Horse Town;348899Of all the avenues available to take a poke at Pundit (and lets face it, he provides many), i think that claiming his blog isn't popular is not a fruitful one.

I'm not saying that his blog isn't popular, because I just don't have the data. But I seriously suspect that neither does he. And popular, compared to what?

To be successful with a blog is going to depend on your own criteria for that: my personal blog is a complete success, though I'm sure that its numebr of visits is pretty low. But it fulfills my goals, so it's OK.

Now the Pundit claims to be "one of the most popular gaming bloggers" without having any data to sustain that. For all I know, he could be one, but I know several gaming blogs that get far more attention, comments and the like than his.

Not that virtual popularity is that important.

Quote from: Imperator;348906I'm not saying that his blog isn't popular, because I just don't have the data. But I seriously suspect that neither does he. And popular, compared to what?

To be successful with a blog is going to depend on your own criteria for that: my personal blog is a complete success, though I'm sure that its numebr of visits is pretty low. But it fulfills my goals, so it's OK.

Now the Pundit claims to be "one of the most popular gaming bloggers" without having any data to sustain that.

Yesterday, my blog had been visited nearly 1700 times. And that was for "Legion of Super-Peanuts Mondays", not exactly one of my hardcore days.

QuoteNot that virtual popularity is that important.

Way to cover your ass: "The Pundit isn't awesome like he says he is, and just in case, the way he says he's awesome isn't really that awesome".  Again, says the guy talking about ME, on MY forum, and who has been trying to tell everyone who'd listen and many people who won't just how un-awesome I am for literally YEARS now.

You know what dude? At this point, YOU are the best "sustainable data" proof of my popularity, relevance, and significance.

RPGPundit

Quote from: RPGPundit;348977Yesterday, my blog had been visited nearly 1700 times.

How many of those were real people?

Seanchai

Quote from: RPGPundit;348977Yesterday, my blog had been visited nearly 1700 times. And that was for "Legion of Super-Peanuts Mondays", not exactly one of my hardcore days.

Cool! How many people visited Grognardia? And Musings of the Chatty DM? And Evil DM's Lair? Unclebear? Gnomestew? Just off the top of my head, mind you.

Is 1700 visits a lot or is a drop in the ocean?

We don't know. I don't.

QuoteYou know what dude? At this point, YOU are the best "sustainable data" proof of my popularity, relevance, and significance.

My opinions are only proof of themselves. People arguing with you don't prove any of the things you say they prove. It only proves that you allow free discussion here, and that some people don't think like you.

I'm tempted to close the thread for being shit and damn the consequences.

The question in the OP has been answered long-since and now its just harrying Pundit over something few give a flying fuck about.