Quote from: RPGPundit;348305Clash, having not read the game, the only "dumping" I've done on the game itself has been on those qualities the game has that the Swine themselves are proclaiming loudly as its "strengths"...

Liar.

Quote from: RPGPundit;348060The official reason claimed is that they wanted to wait and release a PDF later. Unofficially (I think) it's been expressed that the authors are design "purists" who don't want the perfection of their book imported to the imperfect layout-format of a PDF.

So, without bothering to actually make a fucking poll, what do you think is the reason:
1. They're pretentious swine, trying to be pretentious?
2. Its an intentional, and incredibly stupid, business move, ie. they're retards?
3. They're scared of "the filesharing", like that's actually going to make any fucking difference in their sales! ie. they're twats.

It appears pretty clear that you're attacking the authors and publishers themselves, not their fan club.

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Quote from: David R;348220No, he's mocking him because the Pundit could have just started a thread asking Halfjack (in a civil manner without all this Swine BS) his reasons for releasing the game the way he did.

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwww.

Seanchai

Quote from: flyingmice;348281David - you're playing a BG II game, but it's not the ghosts thing you talked about? What's the set up? How's it going? Post to another thread so this one doesn't get derailed.

-clash

But clash, I want to derail this thread by talking about MY GAME

Ghost With Guns my original idea did take off but my players did like bits and pieces of the idea. So I retooled it a bit drawing concepts from the mythology of your game.

I have tweaked the concept of The Nullity some what making faith and art a much more vital component of maintaining the Nullity barrier. It's a lowkey game in terms of power/magic level. Immortals play a big part but they are not flashy immortals but rather influential historical types.

It's a short campaign which depending on how things work out may lead to further story arcs. The players are academic types - who have seen too much, who are investigating the sacred text of a populist branch of a religion (never stated) in decline. Depending on how they play it, they will be drawn into conflict between three disparate groups :

1. A group of demons who worship a prefall aspect of Lucifer
2. A bookseller who hides sinister secrets
3.  A group of Immortals called, The Pen League : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Pen_League

Also, to give you an idea of where this may all be going, it's an important fact that I was inspired by this :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/features/man-who-forged-america.shtml

Regards,
David R

Quote from: David R;348382But clash, I want to derail this thread by talking about MY GAME

Ghost With Guns my original idea did take off but my players did like bits and pieces of the idea. So I retooled it a bit drawing concepts from the mythology of your game.

I have tweaked the concept of The Nullity some what making faith and art a much more vital component of maintaining the Nullity barrier. It's a lowkey game in terms of power/magic level. Immortals play a big part but they are not flashy immortals but rather influential historical types.

It's a short campaign which depending on how things work out may lead to further story arcs. The players are academic types - who have seen too much, who are investigating the sacred text of a populist branch of a religion (never stated) in decline. Depending on how they play it, they will be drawn into conflict between three disparate groups :

1. A group of demons who worship a prefall aspect of Lucifer
2. A bookseller who hides sinister secrets
3.  A group of Immortals called, The Pen League : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Pen_League

Also, to give you an idea of where this may all be going, it's an important fact that I was inspired by this :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/features/man-who-forged-america.shtml

Regards,
David R

Awesome! This looks fascinating! I love the low-power end of the BG II character scale personally, especially those who have 'seen too much" - as a player in my OHMAS game put it today, "Shit that don't happen, happens." I also like the idea of art helping to maintain the nullity! Neat idea! And the forger is... weird.

-clash

Quote from: RPGPundit;348305Clash, having not read the game, the only "dumping" I've done on the game itself has been on those qualities the game has that the Swine themselves are proclaiming loudly as its "strengths", things like the fact that it uses Fudge-dice instead of normal dice, or that it is a more straightjacketed kind of rules-set than Starblazer Adventures.

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Actually, the first it true, but there are too many dials and switches for it to be a straitjacket.

-clash

Quote from: Ian Absentia;348307Liar.It appears pretty clear that you're attacking the authors and publishers themselves, not their fan club.

!i!

Actually, technically, he's not dumping on the game, but on the publishers/designers. Bill Clinton also technically didn't have sex with that woman.

-clash

Quote from: Ian Absentia;348307Liar.It appears pretty clear that you're attacking the authors and publishers themselves, not their fan club.

!i!

I never said I wasn't. Or do you have a problem with understanding the difference between criticism of a game itself, and criticism of the business decisions of the publishers of a game?

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Quote from: David R;348382But clash, I want to derail this thread by talking about MY GAME

Ghost With Guns my original idea did take off but my players did like bits and pieces of the idea. So I retooled it a bit drawing concepts from the mythology of your game.

I have tweaked the concept of The Nullity some what making faith and art a much more vital component of maintaining the Nullity barrier. It's a lowkey game in terms of power/magic level. Immortals play a big part but they are not flashy immortals but rather influential historical types.

It's a short campaign which depending on how things work out may lead to further story arcs. The players are academic types - who have seen too much, who are investigating the sacred text of a populist branch of a religion (never stated) in decline. Depending on how they play it, they will be drawn into conflict between three disparate groups :

1. A group of demons who worship a prefall aspect of Lucifer
2. A bookseller who hides sinister secrets
3.  A group of Immortals called, The Pen League : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Pen_League

Also, to give you an idea of where this may all be going, it's an important fact that I was inspired by this :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/features/man-who-forged-america.shtml

Regards,
David R

That sounds pretty cool David. It seeems kind of in a CoC vein without being pigeon holed into a mythos background. Same but different. Which I very much dig on.

Quote from: RPGPundit;348265Its not about different choices, its about how some people have decided to try to use one to snipe at the other.

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Thats kind of the pot calling the kettle black isnt it?

Quote from: RPGPundit;348267I post because I LIKE to post. If I'm controversial, its because I WANT to be controversial.

So its OK for you to say inflammatory things and be disrespectful to other posters. Ok :rolleyes:. But people who bust on folks (or an individual as the case may be.) for being a liar, ignorant, or a hypocrite is bad. But its OK for you because you dont like their game or style of gaming. That makes sense.:rolleyes:
You know I actually agree with you about most of the swine non-sense. I dont like them and I dont think their games are RPG's. But unlike you I dont dispute their right to exist. Its shit, but they can play what ever shitty game they like. But really both Diaspora and Star Blazers are not so radically different versions of the same thing. How you can hate on one but like the other is mystifying to me. Especially since they are both fudge based systems. You can argue that Disporia includes swinery social combat interaction/BS. But Please correct me if I am wrong SotC does not but yet you hate on that. While I personally also like other games for pulp action. But to condem one game while praising another game. Even though they are based on the same system is confusing to say the least.

Quote from: RPGPundit;348267And speaking of "harping endlessly", your posts are beginning to become nothing but a stream of anti-pundit attacks. I'd suggest you stop it. People who don't contribute and are clearly here only to stalk someone they're obsessed about in some pathetic childish dick-waving contest don't tend to do well.

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Does any one else heard that? Its like a sabre rattling in a far off place. It is nice to know that other people not just me, are recieving veiled threats though. Then again while I might talk serious shit. (To people I think actually deserve it) At least I never make reference to physical violence against that person. You know like a "spiked baseball bat of justice" for instance. But heres my favorite part of the "previous" statements.

"People who don't contribute and are clearly here only to stalk someone they're obsessed about in some pathetic childish dick-waving contest don't tend to do well."

By not contributing you mean people who do not agree with you. They tend not to do so well? Why because you hold the ultimate athority on whether they can post or not? Because while I do think you are an intelligent individual. I think their are others on this board that are your equal. The idea of a "dick waving" contest seems to be a double edged sword. You seem to think your side is sharper. But in reality they are equallly as deadly. Dull or sharp the blade cuts both ways.

Quote from: flyingmice;348396And the forger is... weird.

More inspiration about history forgers:
Heribert Illig's "Phantom Time Hypethesis"
Hitler Diaries
The Word (TV mini series) (a predecessor to the DaVinci code)

Quote from: RPGPundit;348416...do you have a problem with understanding the difference between criticism of a game itself, and criticism of the business decisions of the publishers of a game?

No, but I feel quite certain that you do.  And I'll note that, now that you're insisting that you were referring solely to "the business decisions of the publishers", you're talking about the PDF format, which you said you didn't care about.  So we're right back to you being a disingenuous little turd.

So, Pundy, what was the real reason that you didn't just ask Halfjack directly about the design and publication decisions behind his game?  It's a courtesy you've extended to other people whose games you happened to have favored.

!i!

Quote from: Ronin;348425Thats kind of the pot calling the kettle black isnt it?

I don't see how. I'm not using SA to shit on Diaspora; I'm looking at diaspora by itself on the one hand, and attacking the motives of those who are trying to promote diaspora over SA on the other.

RPGPundit

Quote from: Ronin;348429So its OK for you to say inflammatory things and be disrespectful to other posters. Ok :rolleyes:. But people who bust on folks (or an individual as the case may be.) for being a liar, ignorant, or a hypocrite is bad. But its OK for you because you dont like their game or style of gaming. That makes sense.:rolleyes:

Your statements here are nonsensical.

QuoteYou know I actually agree with you about most of the swine non-sense. I dont like them and I dont think their games are RPG's. But unlike you I dont dispute their right to exist.

They have a right to exist. Someplace far FAR away from my hobby.

QuoteIts shit, but they can play what ever shitty game they like. But really both Diaspora and Star Blazers are not so radically different versions of the same thing. How you can hate on one but like the other is mystifying to me.

Because FUDGE is not so much a system as a way to make systems, and can end up being manifest in radically different ways by people with different agendas? Seriously, dude, I addressed this on my blog already regarding SA vs SoTC not two weeks ago.

QuoteDoes any one else heard that? Its like a sabre rattling in a far off place. It is nice to know that other people not just me, are recieving veiled threats though. Then again while I might talk serious shit. (To people I think actually deserve it) At least I never make reference to physical violence against that person. You know like a "spiked baseball bat of justice" for instance. But heres my favorite part of the "previous" statements.

"People who don't contribute and are clearly here only to stalk someone they're obsessed about in some pathetic childish dick-waving contest don't tend to do well."

By not contributing you mean people who do not agree with you.

No... by "not contributing" I mean people who post virtually nothing but attacks on my person (or any other individual poster) and who seemingly dedicate their time on theRPGsite to scanning the threads for any post by me just to type out a response that has ZERO content and amounts to a personal attack, and rarely if ever do anything else.
That's whta "not contributing" means.

QuoteThey tend not to do so well? Why because you hold the ultimate athority on whether they can post or not? Because while I do think you are an intelligent individual. I think their are others on this board that are your equal. The idea of a "dick waving" contest seems to be a double edged sword. You seem to think your side is sharper. But in reality they are equallly as deadly. Dull or sharp the blade cuts both ways.

Because they've brought their dick to a gun fight, that's why.

RPGPundit

Quote from: Ian Absentia;348446No, but I feel quite certain that you do.  And I'll note that, now that you're insisting that you were referring solely to "the business decisions of the publishers", you're talking about the PDF format, which you said you didn't care about.  So we're right back to you being a disingenuous little turd.

In what way are we "back" to the PDF format? How the fuck does my interest in their business decisions have anything to do with the question of PDFs themselves?
Thats' like saying that because I find it very curious that Wal*Mart ordered twenty thousand My Little Pony dolls to their outlet in Reno, Dakota, I'm suddenly "obsessed with horses". You're not making any fucking sense, MAKE FUCKING SENSE!
I know its hard when you're just trying to make a personal attack, but trust me, personal attacks are so much better when they MAKE FUCKING SENSE.

QuoteSo, Pundy, what was the real reason that you didn't just ask Halfjack directly about the design and publication decisions behind his game?  It's a courtesy you've extended to other people whose games you happened to have favored.

!i!

Why should I extend such a courtesy to a game I'm ideologically opposed to? What the fuck do you think I am, a Restoration-Era Dandy?!  "Good sir, perhaps you would care to make some preliminary statements and take some tea before we engage in a game of feather-toss to determine who is correct on the subject of the destiny of the gaming hobby?"

I suppose, if it'd make you feel better, I could edit the OP to say "Dear halfjack: I'd like to know why you did something motherfucking retarded by not actually releasing your PDFs and Print games at the same time?", but since halfjack already presented his defense I think that its a bit late out of the port there...

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