Yes, the Diaspora RPG, the one all the Swine are going around harping as magnificent and so much better than the far more successful Starblazer Adventures, apparently has no PDF version. The official reason claimed is that they wanted to wait and release a PDF later. Unofficially (I think) it's been expressed that the authors are design "purists" who don't want the perfection of their book imported to the imperfect layout-format of a PDF.
So, without bothering to actually make a fucking poll, what do you think is the reason:
1. They're pretentious swine, trying to be pretentious?
2. Its an intentional, and incredibly stupid, business move, ie. they're retards?
3. They're scared of "the filesharing", like that's actually going to make any fucking difference in their sales! ie. they're twats.
As you can see, the options are wide open.
RPGPundit
Quote from: RPGPundit;3480603. They're scared of "the filesharing", like that's actually going to make any fucking difference in their sales! ie. they're twats.
Only rpg companies which probably really give a damn about piracy of their books and have the resources to do anything about it, would be WotC and White Wolf. No idea if Siembieda has any funds left these days for legal fees.
Who the hell is going to give a damn about a pirated copy of an obscure game?
Halfjack post here, why don't you just ask him ?
Regards,
David R
You are incorrect about both our motivations and our intentions. As we've posted both (fairly clearly I think), you must not have read them. Here it is again:
We're not interested in selling the "save as" from InDesign for our book, because we built it as a stepping stone in making a book. It's not designed for sale and therefore we will not sell it.
We are interested in electronic formats and will be discussing how and when to do that in 2010 when we have all four stakeholders in the same city. Whatever we decide to release, it will not be the "save as" from InDesign, the source file intended for our printer. It will be something intended for electronic reading.
We are not interested in DRM and don't give a hoot about piracy.
It's likely our electronic release (if we unanimously elect to have an electronic release) will be in several formats simultaneously. There will be a mechanism by which they can all be correlated with book contents easily so that people with only one format can communicate references to the content with each other.
Each component of the 2010 release will have a unique ISBN and will therefore be available through Library and Archives Canada.
We will continue to make available the complete SRD (as we publish under the OGL and have a loose interpretation of our protected content) which is available at our web site in HTML format. I understand some fans have also made a PDF of it available. We will also continue to make available the player handout material -- a complete skill list, equipment list, and all of the play sequences for each of the four mini-games.
Uh huh, so the answer would be "number 2"; as in, you got a print version ready for release before you got a PDF version ready? Do you think this is going to increase print sales? Do you think it'll increase PDF sales?
RPGPundit
The best bit about this post is that "all the Swine" means "Fred Hicks," and Fred's on record expressing opinions about the lack of PDF similar to (although less ANGRY) than Pundit's.
Also fred hicks has also gone on record as saying he dosent prefer one over the other in his blog (he actualy worked on star blazers) it was just taken out of context and warped by the usual crowd of idiots on the big purple and storygames forums.
Who says a book has to have a PDF?
Look, let me translate, because apparently I can understand Halfjack's strange but beautiful moon-language and you can't: Halfjack is really concerned that the electronic distribution suit the medium, just as the book was designed to suit the print medium. Thus he doesn't want just a dump of the print version, as that doesn't suit the electronic medium. He wants to do the electronic release right. A pdf is one possible format for the e-release, but he is thinking about multiple electronic formats for different display types. They haven't made a decision yet, but intend to do so in the new year when they can all get together face to face.
None of your three possibilities fit, Pundit. It is an aesthetic decision.
-clash
I got something a bit different from you, Clash. Not so much that there's any doubt about a PDF (although there could be) as that the PDF that would get by doing a "save as" wouldn't necessarily be a good PDF (in terms of layout, bookmarking, etc.) for use on a computer or handheld device. For example multiple columns looks okay in a printed book, but they're awful on an iPod and not very good on a laptop, either.
Whether HJ et. al. should have delayed the print version in order to have a simultaneous PDF release is an interesting question. (And I mean "should" mainly in the business sense, i.e., profits, although there may be other goals in play as well such as getting a lot of people playing the game.)
Quote from: Elliot Wilen;348136I got something a bit different from you, Clash. Not so much that there's any doubt about a PDF (although there could be) as that the PDF that would get by doing a "save as" wouldn't necessarily be a good PDF (in terms of layout, bookmarking, etc.) for use on a computer or handheld device. For example multiple columns looks okay in a printed book, but they're awful on an iPod and not very good on a laptop, either.
I don't know whether there is any doubt of a PDF either. I was just trying to phrase it so that both possibilities were covered. :D
I have personally stopped designing two-column layouts for this reason. PDFs are the bulk of my sales, and two-column portrait is the worst thing to read on a screen. Now I use 2/3 text 1/3 heading layout, which is "ugly" but extremely readable in both print and pdf.
QuoteWhether HJ et. al. should have delayed the print version in order to have a simultaneous PDF release is an interesting question. (And I mean "should" mainly in the business sense, i.e., profits, although there may be other goals in play as well such as getting a lot of people playing the game.)
From other statements he has made elsewhere, I think the popularity of Diaspora took them a bit by surprise, though I may be wrong.
-clash
Quote from: flyingmice;348144I don't know whether there is any doubt of a PDF either. I was just trying to phrase it so that both possibilities were covered. :D
I have personally stopped designing two-column layouts for this reason. PDFs are the bulk of my sales, and two-column portrait is the worst thing to read on a screen. Now I use 2/3 text 1/3 heading layout, which is "ugly" but extremely readable in both print and pdf.
But its no-win because I'm apparently the only person that likes your layout...talk about lose-lose...=)
Quote from: Tommy Brownell;348147But its no-win because I'm apparently the only person that likes your layout...talk about lose-lose...=)
Nah! I like it too, so that's two wins right there! :D
-clash
I for one find it refreshing that for once a publisher is actually thinking about this things, instead of doing the very same "save as" approach everyone else already does.
PDFs suck, and that's partly because most of them are made in a horrible fashion.
I think it is funny that it is harder than normal to get a hold of a copy of a game called "Diaspora."
Nuts. Halfjack made his answer clean and didn't sprinkle "fuck," around liberally in the text.
Sigh.
Anyway, I'd love a .pdf of the game myself, but I do respect the people for wanting to do it right the first time around. I'll wait.
Pundy couldn't be bothered to send a message to the author who posts right here on this very site and ask him a simple question directly. So, without bothering to actually make a fucking poll, what do you think is the reason?
- He's eager for any chance to drum up a furor over some people who's opinions no one really gives a shit about (i.e. "the Swine"), but for some reason he just can't stop gnashing his teeth.
- He's a pretentious jackass, not really looking for an honest answer, and simply desperate for a new thread on his site.
- He's afraid to address his question personally to the people who could give him a direct answer, so he's lashing out at them publicly. (ie. he's a twat)
As you can see, the options are wide open.
!i!
Quote from: Ian Absentia;348166Pundy couldn't be bothered to send a message to the author who posts right here on this very site and ask him a simple question directly. So, without bothering to actually make a fucking poll, what do you think is the reason?- He's eager for any chance to drum up a furor over some people who's opinions no one really gives a shit about (i.e. "the Swine"), but for some reason he just can't stop gnashing his teeth.
- He's a pretentious jackass, not really looking for an honest answer, and simply desperate for a new thread on his site.
- He's afraid to address his question personally to the people who could give him a direct answer, so he's lashing out at them publicly. (ie. he's a twat)
As you can see, the options are wide open.
!i!
I'll give you a clue, Ian. It's 3.
Given the shift to e-readers and how PDFs are often read on notebooks etc (turned sideways) I don't think the aesthetic reason really makes much sense UNLESS you're doing something specifically tailored to be electronic _only_ for release, like a bells and whistles adventure module or something.
Still, it's their ball.
Quote from: One Horse Town;348171I'll give you a clue, Ian. It's 3.
I was leaning more in the direction of a modified number 2, myself. I don't think the pundit is so much desperate for a new thread as he is maintaining a long term strategy of posting one bullshit thread every few days. It's a rolling strategy, mostly designed to take up the slack ever since the 4e debates went limp, which took up the slack after all you refugees lost your woody for Rpg.net.
Beyond this, personally I associate the Pundit and his posts with #2, not with twat.
Quote from: Aos;348183which took up the slack after all you refugees lost your woody for Rpg.net.
You're way off, if that's a reference to me.
Quote from: Aos;348183It's a rolling strategy, mostly designed to take up the slack ever since the 4e debates went limp, which took up the slack after all you refugees lost your woody for Rpg.net.
I could try and pick that up again, but I can't remember who I'd totally given up on. Wasn't Hairfoot, wasn't Fiasco... who's the guy who was a big 4e defender back before it launched but who went psychotic when he got kicked off some other board?
Quote from: One Horse Town;348186You're way off, if that's a reference to me.
It wasn't.
Quote from: J Arcane;348152I for one find it refreshing that for once a publisher is actually thinking about this things, instead of doing the very same "save as" approach everyone else already does.
PDFs suck, and that's partly because most of them are made in a horrible fashion.
That's not the part I think is dumb. Its certainly worthwhile to think about HOW you are going to make your PDF, and to make it different (suited to the medium) from how you'd do the print version. That's commendable, even.
What's stupid is not having it ready for release on the same day as you release your print version. And it leads one to question the motive as to why: stupid obsession with piracy? The vain hope more people will buy the Print version that way? Or vice-versa? Other kinds of magical thinking?
RPGPundit
Quote from: Ian Absentia;348166Pundy couldn't be bothered to send a message to the author who posts right here on this very site and ask him a simple question directly. So, without bothering to actually make a fucking poll, what do you think is the reason?- He's eager for any chance to drum up a furor over some people who's opinions no one really gives a shit about (i.e. "the Swine"), but for some reason he just can't stop gnashing his teeth.
- He's a pretentious jackass, not really looking for an honest answer, and simply desperate for a new thread on his site.
- He's afraid to address his question personally to the people who could give him a direct answer, so he's lashing out at them publicly. (ie. he's a twat)
As you can see, the options are wide open.
!i!
I would say 4: he's pissed off that this game is being promoted as the storygamer-darling counterpart to Starblazer Adventures, a game he really likes.
RPGPundit
Quote from: Ian Absentia;348166Pundy couldn't be bothered to send a message to the author who posts right here on this very site and ask him a simple question directly. So, without bothering to actually make a fucking poll, what do you think is the reason?- He's eager for any chance to drum up a furor over some people who's opinions no one really gives a shit about (i.e. "the Swine"), but for some reason he just can't stop gnashing his teeth.
- He's a pretentious jackass, not really looking for an honest answer, and simply desperate for a new thread on his site.
- He's afraid to address his question personally to the people who could give him a direct answer, so he's lashing out at them publicly. (ie. he's a twat)
As you can see, the options are wide open.
!i!
Are you complaining that a guy who runs a public forum isn't discussing things in private?
Does Pundit owe this guy anything? Does he watch Pundit's kids? Did he paint Pundit's house?
Quote from: Cranewings;348215Are you complaining that a guy who runs a public forum isn't discussing things in private?
No, he's mocking him because the Pundit could have just started a thread asking Halfjack (in a civil manner without all this Swine BS) his reasons for releasing the game the way he did. Aftter all, Halfjack has answered all his (and a few others) questions about his game.
Regards,
David R
Quote from: RPGPundit;348205I would say 4: he's pissed off that this game is being promoted as the storygamer-darling counterpart to Starblazer Adventures, a game he really likes.
RPGPundit
This rings true.
-clash
#4 is just twice the shit, btw.
Quote from: David R;348220No, he's mocking him because the Pundit could have just started a thread asking Halfjack (in a civil manner without all this Swine BS) his reasons for releasing the game the way he did.
Or, really, just not make a public spectacle of things. But the spectacle is what it was all about.
And, Pundy? Your #4 has nothing to do with the PDF format, so it's back to 1, 2, and 3 with you. I'd say your response is leaning heavily toward #1.
!i!
It's like there's an undemonstrated theorem about scifi fate games: "in the end, there can be only one." Seems to me they're scratching different itches. It's just like being asked to choose sides between Runequest and Hawkmoon just because they both use BRP and are set in "fantasy" settings. Preposterous.
How about this for your next avatar Pundy?
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_oq5kazQNd7Y/SbannNKmfwI/AAAAAAAAAYU/IFp-9hTEDLM/s400/Don_Quixote_6.jpg)
(PS: we all know who's Sancho Panza right?)
Pundit hates the Swine and also posts flamebait to keep the traffic up at this site. These are undeniable facts.
The question is the extent to which the former is fuelled by the latter.
Quote from: Hairfoot;348262Pundit hates the Swine and also posts flamebait to keep the traffic up at this site.
"Diaspora - kind of gay?"
Should be here any minute now.
Quote from: Ian Absentia;348239Or, really, just not make a public spectacle of things. But the spectacle is what it was all about.
And, Pundy? Your #4 has nothing to do with the PDF format, so it's back to 1, 2, and 3 with you. I'd say your response is leaning heavily toward #1.
!i!
What the fuck do I care about PDFs?
The point isn't that, its that some people were actually PRAISING these guys for a crappy decision, not because it wasn't a crappy decision, but because it was IDEOLOGICALLY what they were supposed to do. They were told "Starblazer = bad, Diaspora = good" by their leaders, because the latter uses obscure FUDGE dice, has a more pretentious name, and gives less options therefore it must be superior storygaming fare, and so now they are doing everything they can to try to shit on Starblazers and make it seem like every move by Diaspora's creators is a work of fucking genius. Its become the new Darling of the elite twats.
RPGPundit
Quote from: boulet;348261It's like there's an undemonstrated theorem about scifi fate games: "in the end, there can be only one." Seems to me they're scratching different itches. It's just like being asked to choose sides between Runequest and Hawkmoon just because they both use BRP and are set in "fantasy" settings. Preposterous.
Its not about different choices, its about how some people have decided to try to use one to snipe at the other.
RPGPundit
Quote from: Hairfoot;348262Pundit hates the Swine and also posts flamebait to keep the traffic up at this site. These are undeniable facts.
The question is the extent to which the former is fuelled by the latter.
The traffic doesn't need "keeping up". At what point are you assholes going to stop pretending that this site isn't an incredible fucking SUCCESS?
Its already beaten the pants of both Storygames and the Forge, any site that ever tried to de-throne us has failed in misery and obscurity, and yet the anti-pundit crowd have been harping endlessly about how this site is "at risk" even though at no point in time have we had any serious alteration in our posting volume except to go UP.
I post because I LIKE to post. If I'm controversial, its because I WANT to be controversial. TheRPGsite is in no need of help from me, at least not more help than any of the other interested and active participants in it.
And speaking of "harping endlessly", your posts are beginning to become nothing but a stream of anti-pundit attacks. I'd suggest you stop it. People who don't contribute and are clearly here only to stalk someone they're obsessed about in some pathetic childish dick-waving contest don't tend to do well.
RPGPundit
Don't be silly. You've cultivated the Pundit persona expertly. Don't turn it into a caricature by denying the obvious.
Pointless, fevered trolling is as much a part of the Pundit identity as incisive commentary. You insult us by acting offended because we notice.
The preposterous chutzpah behind Pundit's routine errors and exaggerations is what makes the identity so compelling, and po-faced claims to serious commentary when it's obvious trolling just undermines that.
Quote from: RPGPundit;348264What the fuck do I care about PDFs?
You're a disingenuous little turd. You know this, yes?
!i!
Quote from: Ian Absentia;348166Pundy couldn't be bothered to send a message to the author who posts right here on this very site and ask him a simple question directly. So, without bothering to actually make a fucking poll, what do you think is the reason?- He's eager for any chance to drum up a furor over some people who's opinions no one really gives a shit about (i.e. "the Swine"), but for some reason he just can't stop gnashing his teeth.
- He's a pretentious jackass, not really looking for an honest answer, and simply desperate for a new thread on his site.
- He's afraid to address his question personally to the people who could give him a direct answer, so he's lashing out at them publicly. (ie. he's a twat)
As you can see, the options are wide open.
!i!
I go with 2.
Quote from: Aos;348183I don't think the pundit is so much desperate for a new thread as he is maintaining a long term strategy of posting one bullshit thread every few days. It's a rolling strategy, mostly designed to take up the slack ever since the 4e debates went limp, which took up the slack after all you refugees lost your woody for Rpg.net.
This makes sense to me.
Quote from: boulet;348261How about this for your next avatar Pundy?
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_oq5kazQNd7Y/SbannNKmfwI/AAAAAAAAAYU/IFp-9hTEDLM/s400/Don_Quixote_6.jpg)
(PS: we all know who's Sancho Panza right?)
You can't go wrong with the classics. As for Panza, I have several candidates in mind.
Quote from: RPGPundit;348267The traffic doesn't need "keeping up". At what point are you assholes going to stop pretending that this site isn't an incredible fucking SUCCESS?
Yep, it is. We're all glad. Thing is, it's a success by the same criteria other sites and games you don't like are a success. Ain't it great?
QuoteIts already beaten the pants of both Storygames and the Forge, any site that ever tried to de-throne us has failed in misery and obscurity, and yet the anti-pundit crowd have been harping endlessly about how this site is "at risk" even though at no point in time have we had any serious alteration in our posting volume except to go UP.
That kind of competition only exists in your mind, Pundy. I've never seen any other site owner harping about number of visitors, traffic volume and shit like that like you do. Seriously. No one else cares.
I like this place, so I'm happy to see people posting here, but your dick comparison is pretty ridiculous.
Quote from: Hairfoot;348271Don't be silly. You've cultivated the Pundit persona expertly. Don't turn it into a caricature by denying the obvious.
Pointless, fevered trolling is as much a part of the Pundit identity as incisive commentary. You insult us by acting offended because we notice.
The preposterous chutzpah behind Pundit's routine errors and exaggerations is what makes the identity so compelling, and po-faced claims to serious commentary when it's obvious trolling just undermines that.
Ditto. Mate, you built that character, you don't get to complain because people doesn't take you seriously.
Re: the OP. I think that there's no rule saying that you have to release a PDF and a book. I don't know if it is or not the best strategy, but to each his own.
And what does it matter if some people like Diaspora better than Starblazer adventures? That's nothing to do with Halfjack, AFAIK. So some persons express their preference for this game other that other. Big fucking deal. It's like, I don't know, some guy decided to attack the Amber RPG because some extremistic idiot - you - proclaimed that ADRPG is better than this guy's favourite game. Just an example.
I just don't get it. If Starblazer Adventures is the more sucessful rpg, who cares what the so-called elites are thinking. I mean, if Halfjack's game was the more sucessful one and Starblazers was being overlooked by hype, then I could see a use for this thread, knowing the Pundit's preference. But that's not the case here. A regular poster on this site, writes a game and the owner of the site, decides to shit on it because of what some other dudes are saying on another site and not what the designer has said. It's just wierd. And gay.
Regards,
David R
Quote from: David R;348275I just don't get it. If Starblazer Adventures is the more sucessful rpg, who cares what the so-called elites are thinking. I mean, if Halfjack's game was the more sucessful one and Starblazers was being overlooked by hype, then I could see a use for this thread, knowing the Pundit's preference. But that's not the case here. A regular poster on this site, writes a game and the owner of the site, decides to shit on it because of what some other dudes are saying on another site and not what the designer has said. It's just wierd. And gay.
Regards,
David R
This is true, and Pundit should realize it. Just because all the buzz is for Diaspora at the moment - and in my opinion it deserves a lot of buzz, because no matter that it's dressed up in "Swine' clothes it's an excellent game when the clothing comes off - doesn't mean Diaspora is outselling Pundit's favorite, just that the usual ADD-afflicted crowd over on tBP has found a new shiny.
Pundit - don't dump on the game until you read it. The game itself is chock full of group level switches, so even if the advice is all story-games, the game can play as you would like. It's a damn good game, and well designed.
David - you're playing a BG II game, but it's not the ghosts thing you talked about? What's the set up? How's it going? Post to another thread so this one doesn't get derailed.
-clash
Quote from: Ian Absentia;348272You're a disingenuous little turd. You know this, yes?
!i!
I think you need to look again at "disingenuous". Disingenuous would be if I pretended that the big issue was the PDFs themselves rather than the implications of how this is presented.
Disingenuous is also, for example, certain people on here pretending that they give a fuck about this topic or even this board, when they only really want to try to make cheap shots on me. I like how the very people claiming I'm "trolling" are the ones who are most obviously trolling this thread and forum in the classic sense of the term.
RPGPundit
Quote from: RPGPundit;348302Disingenuous would be if I pretended that the big issue was the PDFs themselves rather than the implications of how this is presented.
The wheel keeps on turning, the goalpost keeps shifting, and the shit just keeps on flowing.
!i!
Clash, having not read the game, the only "dumping" I've done on the game itself has been on those qualities the game has that the Swine themselves are proclaiming loudly as its "strengths", things like the fact that it uses Fudge-dice instead of normal dice, or that it is a more straightjacketed kind of rules-set than Starblazer Adventures.
RPGPundit
Quote from: RPGPundit;348305Clash, having not read the game, the only "dumping" I've done on the game itself has been on those qualities the game has that the Swine themselves are proclaiming loudly as its "strengths"...
Liar.
Quote from: RPGPundit;348060The official reason claimed is that they wanted to wait and release a PDF later. Unofficially (I think) it's been expressed that the authors are design "purists" who don't want the perfection of their book imported to the imperfect layout-format of a PDF.
So, without bothering to actually make a fucking poll, what do you think is the reason:
1. They're pretentious swine, trying to be pretentious?
2. Its an intentional, and incredibly stupid, business move, ie. they're retards?
3. They're scared of "the filesharing", like that's actually going to make any fucking difference in their sales! ie. they're twats.
It appears pretty clear that you're attacking the authors and publishers themselves, not their fan club.
!i!
Quote from: David R;348220No, he's mocking him because the Pundit could have just started a thread asking Halfjack (in a civil manner without all this Swine BS) his reasons for releasing the game the way he did.
Naaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwww.
Seanchai
Quote from: flyingmice;348281David - you're playing a BG II game, but it's not the ghosts thing you talked about? What's the set up? How's it going? Post to another thread so this one doesn't get derailed.
-clash
But clash, I want to derail this thread by talking about MY GAME :D
Ghost With Guns my original idea did take off but my players did like bits and pieces of the idea. So I retooled it a bit drawing concepts from the mythology of your game.
I have tweaked the concept of The Nullity some what making faith and art a much more vital component of maintaining the Nullity barrier. It's a lowkey game in terms of power/magic level. Immortals play a big part but they are not flashy immortals but rather influential historical types.
It's a short campaign which depending on how things work out may lead to further story arcs. The players are academic types -
who have seen too much, who are investigating the sacred text of a populist branch of a religion (never stated) in decline. Depending on how they play it, they will be drawn into conflict between three disparate groups :
1. A group of demons who worship a prefall aspect of Lucifer
2. A bookseller who hides sinister secrets
3. A group of Immortals called,
The Pen League : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Pen_League
Also, to give you an idea of where this may all be going, it's an important fact that I was inspired by this :
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/features/man-who-forged-america.shtml
Regards,
David R
Quote from: David R;348382But clash, I want to derail this thread by talking about MY GAME :D
Ghost With Guns my original idea did take off but my players did like bits and pieces of the idea. So I retooled it a bit drawing concepts from the mythology of your game.
I have tweaked the concept of The Nullity some what making faith and art a much more vital component of maintaining the Nullity barrier. It's a lowkey game in terms of power/magic level. Immortals play a big part but they are not flashy immortals but rather influential historical types.
It's a short campaign which depending on how things work out may lead to further story arcs. The players are academic types - who have seen too much, who are investigating the sacred text of a populist branch of a religion (never stated) in decline. Depending on how they play it, they will be drawn into conflict between three disparate groups :
1. A group of demons who worship a prefall aspect of Lucifer
2. A bookseller who hides sinister secrets
3. A group of Immortals called, The Pen League : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Pen_League
Also, to give you an idea of where this may all be going, it's an important fact that I was inspired by this :
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/features/man-who-forged-america.shtml
Regards,
David R
Awesome! This looks fascinating! I love the low-power end of the BG II character scale personally, especially those who have 'seen too much" - as a player in my OHMAS game put it today, "Shit that don't happen, happens." I also like the idea of art helping to maintain the nullity! Neat idea! And the forger is... weird.
-clash
Quote from: RPGPundit;348305Clash, having not read the game, the only "dumping" I've done on the game itself has been on those qualities the game has that the Swine themselves are proclaiming loudly as its "strengths", things like the fact that it uses Fudge-dice instead of normal dice, or that it is a more straightjacketed kind of rules-set than Starblazer Adventures.
RPGPundit
Actually, the first it true, but there are too many dials and switches for it to be a straitjacket.
-clash
Quote from: Ian Absentia;348307Liar.It appears pretty clear that you're attacking the authors and publishers themselves, not their fan club.
!i!
Actually, technically, he's
not dumping on the game, but on the publishers/designers. Bill Clinton also technically didn't have sex with
that woman.
-clash
Quote from: Ian Absentia;348307Liar.It appears pretty clear that you're attacking the authors and publishers themselves, not their fan club.
!i!
I never said I wasn't. Or do you have a problem with understanding the difference between criticism of a game itself, and criticism of the business decisions of the publishers of a game?
RPGPundit
Quote from: David R;348382But clash, I want to derail this thread by talking about MY GAME :D
Ghost With Guns my original idea did take off but my players did like bits and pieces of the idea. So I retooled it a bit drawing concepts from the mythology of your game.
I have tweaked the concept of The Nullity some what making faith and art a much more vital component of maintaining the Nullity barrier. It's a lowkey game in terms of power/magic level. Immortals play a big part but they are not flashy immortals but rather influential historical types.
It's a short campaign which depending on how things work out may lead to further story arcs. The players are academic types - who have seen too much, who are investigating the sacred text of a populist branch of a religion (never stated) in decline. Depending on how they play it, they will be drawn into conflict between three disparate groups :
1. A group of demons who worship a prefall aspect of Lucifer
2. A bookseller who hides sinister secrets
3. A group of Immortals called, The Pen League : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Pen_League
Also, to give you an idea of where this may all be going, it's an important fact that I was inspired by this :
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/features/man-who-forged-america.shtml
Regards,
David R
That sounds pretty cool David. It seeems kind of in a CoC vein without being pigeon holed into a mythos background. Same but different. Which I very much dig on.
Quote from: RPGPundit;348265Its not about different choices, its about how some people have decided to try to use one to snipe at the other.
RPGPundit
Thats kind of the pot calling the kettle black isnt it?
Quote from: RPGPundit;348267I post because I LIKE to post. If I'm controversial, its because I WANT to be controversial.
So its OK for you to say inflammatory things and be disrespectful to other posters. Ok :rolleyes:. But people who bust on folks (or an individual as the case may be.) for being a liar, ignorant, or a hypocrite is bad. But its OK for you because you dont like their game or style of gaming. That makes sense.:rolleyes:
You know I actually agree with you about most of the swine non-sense. I dont like them and I dont think their games are RPG's. But unlike you I dont dispute their right to exist. Its shit, but they can play what ever shitty game they like. But really both Diaspora and Star Blazers are not so radically different versions of the same thing. How you can hate on one but like the other is mystifying to me. Especially since they are both fudge based systems. You can argue that Disporia includes swinery social combat interaction/BS. But Please correct me if I am wrong SotC does not but yet you hate on that. While I personally also like other games for pulp action. But to condem one game while praising another game. Even though they are based on the same system is confusing to say the least.
Quote from: RPGPundit;348267And speaking of "harping endlessly", your posts are beginning to become nothing but a stream of anti-pundit attacks. I'd suggest you stop it. People who don't contribute and are clearly here only to stalk someone they're obsessed about in some pathetic childish dick-waving contest don't tend to do well.
RPGPundit
Does any one else heard that? Its like a sabre rattling in a far off place. It is nice to know that other people not just me, are recieving veiled threats though. Then again while I might talk serious shit. (To people I think actually deserve it) At least I never make reference to physical violence against that person. You know like a "spiked baseball bat of justice" for instance. But heres my favorite part of the "previous" statements.
"People who don't contribute and are clearly here only to stalk someone they're obsessed about in some pathetic childish dick-waving contest don't tend to do well."
By not contributing you mean people who do not agree with you. They tend not to do so well? Why because you hold the ultimate athority on whether they can post or not? Because while I do think you are an intelligent individual. I think their are others on this board that are your equal. The idea of a "dick waving" contest seems to be a double edged sword. You seem to think your side is sharper. But in reality they are equallly as deadly. Dull or sharp the blade cuts both ways.
Quote from: flyingmice;348396And the forger is... weird.
More inspiration about history forgers:
Heribert Illig's "Phantom Time Hypethesis" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heribert_Illig)
Hitler Diaries (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_Diaries)
The Word (TV mini series) (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077104/) (a predecessor to the DaVinci code)
Quote from: RPGPundit;348416...do you have a problem with understanding the difference between criticism of a game itself, and criticism of the business decisions of the publishers of a game?
No, but I feel quite certain that you do. And I'll note that, now that you're insisting that you were referring solely to "the business decisions of the publishers", you're talking about the PDF format, which
you said you didn't care about (http://www.therpgsite.com/showpost.php?p=348264&postcount=35). So we're right back to you being a disingenuous little turd.
So, Pundy, what was the real reason that you didn't just ask Halfjack directly about the design and publication decisions behind his game? It's a courtesy you've extended to other people whose games you happened to have favored.
!i!
Quote from: Ronin;348425Thats kind of the pot calling the kettle black isnt it?
I don't see how. I'm not using SA to shit on Diaspora; I'm looking at diaspora by itself on the one hand, and attacking the motives of those who are trying to promote diaspora over SA on the other.
RPGPundit
Quote from: Ronin;348429So its OK for you to say inflammatory things and be disrespectful to other posters. Ok :rolleyes:. But people who bust on folks (or an individual as the case may be.) for being a liar, ignorant, or a hypocrite is bad. But its OK for you because you dont like their game or style of gaming. That makes sense.:rolleyes:
Your statements here are nonsensical.
QuoteYou know I actually agree with you about most of the swine non-sense. I dont like them and I dont think their games are RPG's. But unlike you I dont dispute their right to exist.
They have a right to exist. Someplace far FAR away from my hobby.
QuoteIts shit, but they can play what ever shitty game they like. But really both Diaspora and Star Blazers are not so radically different versions of the same thing. How you can hate on one but like the other is mystifying to me.
Because FUDGE is not so much a system as a way to make systems, and can end up being manifest in radically different ways by people with different agendas? Seriously, dude, I addressed this on my blog already regarding SA vs SoTC not two weeks ago.
QuoteDoes any one else heard that? Its like a sabre rattling in a far off place. It is nice to know that other people not just me, are recieving veiled threats though. Then again while I might talk serious shit. (To people I think actually deserve it) At least I never make reference to physical violence against that person. You know like a "spiked baseball bat of justice" for instance. But heres my favorite part of the "previous" statements.
"People who don't contribute and are clearly here only to stalk someone they're obsessed about in some pathetic childish dick-waving contest don't tend to do well."
By not contributing you mean people who do not agree with you.
No... by "not contributing" I mean people who post virtually nothing but attacks on my person (or any other individual poster) and who seemingly dedicate their time on theRPGsite to scanning the threads for any post by me just to type out a response that has ZERO content and amounts to a personal attack, and rarely if ever do anything else.
That's whta "not contributing" means.
QuoteThey tend not to do so well? Why because you hold the ultimate athority on whether they can post or not? Because while I do think you are an intelligent individual. I think their are others on this board that are your equal. The idea of a "dick waving" contest seems to be a double edged sword. You seem to think your side is sharper. But in reality they are equallly as deadly. Dull or sharp the blade cuts both ways.
Because they've brought their dick to a gun fight, that's why.
RPGPundit
Quote from: Ian Absentia;348446No, but I feel quite certain that you do. And I'll note that, now that you're insisting that you were referring solely to "the business decisions of the publishers", you're talking about the PDF format, which you said you didn't care about (http://www.therpgsite.com/showpost.php?p=348264&postcount=35). So we're right back to you being a disingenuous little turd.
In what way are we "back" to the PDF format? How the fuck does my interest in their business decisions have anything to do with the question of PDFs themselves?
Thats' like saying that because I find it very curious that Wal*Mart ordered twenty thousand My Little Pony dolls to their outlet in Reno, Dakota, I'm suddenly "obsessed with horses". You're not making any fucking sense, MAKE FUCKING SENSE!
I know its hard when you're just trying to make a personal attack, but trust me, personal attacks are so much better when they MAKE FUCKING SENSE.
QuoteSo, Pundy, what was the real reason that you didn't just ask Halfjack directly about the design and publication decisions behind his game? It's a courtesy you've extended to other people whose games you happened to have favored.
!i!
Why should I extend such a courtesy to a game I'm ideologically opposed to? What the fuck do you think I am, a Restoration-Era Dandy?! "Good sir, perhaps you would care to make some preliminary statements and take some tea before we engage in a game of feather-toss to determine who is correct on the subject of the destiny of the gaming hobby?"
I suppose, if it'd make you feel better, I could edit the OP to say "Dear halfjack: I'd like to know why you did something motherfucking retarded by not actually releasing your PDFs and Print games at the same time?", but since halfjack already presented his defense I think that its a bit late out of the port there...
RPGPundit
Quote from: RPGPundit;348461They have a right to exist. Someplace far FAR away from my hobby.
That's the problem. This hobby belongs to no one. It's not YOUR hobby, or anyone else's. That kind of stupid sense of entitlement is Lawncrapper's Behaviour 101.
Quote from: RPGPundit;348463Why should I extend such a courtesy to a game I'm ideologically opposed to?
So you
are dumping on the game itself, and not just its author and publisher. See what a dissembling little turd you are?
!i!
Quote from: RPGPundit;348463"Good sir, perhaps you would care to make some preliminary statements and take some tea before we engage in a game of feather-toss to determine who is correct on the subject of the destiny of the gaming hobby?"
Thing is, the destiny of the gaming hobby is not at stake here, Pundit. People liking one game more than other is hardly a threat to the continuity of RPGs.
Quote from: RPGPundit;348461Your statements here are nonsensical.
No it's not. Makes perfect sense. Ronin is refering to his dustup with Ed and your warning for him to back off.
Regards,
David R
Worst. Thread. Ever.
Quote from: David R;348507No it's not. Makes perfect sense. Ronin is refering to his dustup with Ed and your warning for him to back off.
Regards,
David R
Ahhh. I see. I hadn't captured the subtlety of his issue what with his roundabout passive-aggressive parlance.
And to Ronin, yes; it is ok to criticize games, game designers, or publishers on this forum. That's one of the things it is about. It is NOT ok to follow around individual posters on this forum and try to post zero-content personal attacks and insults against them at every opportunity, particularly when they're gratuitous and have fuck all to do with the subject of the thread in question.
I hope that clears things up for you.
RPGpundit
Quote from: Imperator;348464That's the problem. This hobby belongs to no one. It's not YOUR hobby, or anyone else's. That kind of stupid sense of entitlement is Lawncrapper's Behaviour 101.
No, its really not. If a group of rhythmic gymnasts started to show up at football games and insist that the games be changed to suit their interests (or vice-versa), the people who were there FIRST have a totally legitimate claim to say that the hobby in question belongs to THEM.
RPGPundit
Quote from: Ian Absentia;348471So you are dumping on the game itself, and not just its author and publisher. See what a dissembling little turd you are?
!i!
I think you either don't understand the meaning of the word "dissembling", or you are just being an intentional repetitive troll.
For the record: Dissembling: "To disguise or conceal behind a false appearance".
I think that one thing you can definitely say about me is that all my hatreds are worn very much on my chest, out in the open.
The only one being a turd here is you.
As for the "game itself", if you're talking about the content of the game, I know very little about it, though what little I have heard doesn't sound very appealing to me.
If you're talking about "the game" in the sense of the idea of Diaspora as a standard, the Great White Hope that will slay the wicked unwashed Starblazer Adventures Boogeyman-of-Mainstream-Appeal, then that I'm firmly opposed to, yes.
RPGPundit
Poo-eater. Just keep shifting that goalpost. Maybe no one will notice.
!i!
Quote from: RPGPundit;348527Ahhh. I see. I hadn't captured the subtlety of his issue what with his roundabout passive-aggressive parlance.
And to Ronin, yes; it is ok to criticize games, game designers, or publishers on this forum. That's one of the things it is about. It is NOT ok to follow around individual posters on this forum and try to post zero-content personal attacks and insults against them at every opportunity, particularly when they're gratuitous and have fuck all to do with the subject of the thread in question.
I hope that clears things up for you.
RPGpundit
I dont know how you couldnt understand. As I was not very subtle. I thought better of you. Perhaps I was incorrect.
As to your explaination of the "rules". I understand. Its not ok to insult another poster when they say something ignorant, blatantly lie, or say something hypocritical. But it is OK to insult an author or publisher because you dont like their game or business plan. You like when you called the authors/publishers of Diaspora a "Twat" in post 1 of this thread. Or "Retards" in both post 1 and 6.
So your right, that has cleared things up for me. So I'm done with this thread. OHT is right, worst thread ever. I'm gonna go post some "content" on another thread. I'll catch ya on the flip Il Duce.
Quote from: RPGPundit;348528No, its really not. If a group of rhythmic gymnasts started to show up at football games and insist that the games be changed to suit their interests (or vice-versa), the people who were there FIRST have a totally legitimate claim to say that the hobby in question belongs to THEM.
I see your point, but I think you forget that, most probably, almost no one would pay any attention to the rhythmic gymnasts and would keep playing football. So, the alcoholic bum in rags shouting from the corner of the stadium "WE HAVE TO SAVE FOOTBALL!! IS NO ONE GOING TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT THE GYMNASTIC INVASION?" is not doing any useful service whatsoever.
Quote from: Ian Absentia;348532Poo-eater. Just keep shifting that goalpost. Maybe no one will notice.
!i!
The only one moving goalposts here is you. And this is how the whole deal is looking to everyone who's sane:
Me: "I hate the Forge, and everything in it!"
You: "Ah but do you hate game author x?"
Me: "Yes."
You: "That proves it! You're a liar!! Because before you said your problem was with the publisher, not the author! You're disingenuous!!!"
Me: "I hate them both."
You: "LIAR!!!! Do you hate game x itself?!"
Me: "Yes. What I know of it, anyways."
You: "AH HAH!! LIAR!!! DISINGENUOUS!! TURDERY!!!! Before you said you hated the author, then you say you hate the publisher and now you say you hate the game!! Hypocrite!!"
Me: "I hate them all. ALL. That's what I always said, and what pretty much everyone who's ever met me knows about me."
You: "You're a slimey stinky goalpost-shifter!!!"
Me: "I hate ALL of it. All you're doing is trying to pretend that certain things are contradictions that are not, in a desperate attempt to insult me. Its sad".
You: "and I hate that you're successful and people pay more attention to you than me, don't forget that!"
RPGPundit
Quote from: RPGPundit;348596The only one moving goalposts here is you. And this is how the whole deal is looking to everyone who's sane:
Not really.
Quote from: Ronin;348535I dont know how you couldnt understand. As I was not very subtle. I thought better of you. Perhaps I was incorrect.
The reason I missed it was very simple: I couldn't give a twopenny fuck about your personal moral conundrums.
I'm sure that over in Ronin-world, your beef with Koltar is a massive issue of cosmic proportions. But over here in the real world, I don't give a fuck. Therefore, I'd already forgotten all about it; and since your post did not include the word "Koltar" or the phrase "This is really about me", I just plum-darn forgot.
QuoteAs to your explaination of the "rules". I understand. Its not ok to insult another poster when they say something ignorant, blatantly lie, or say something hypocritical. But it is OK to insult an author or publisher because you dont like their game or business plan. You like when you called the authors/publishers of Diaspora a "Twat" in post 1 of this thread. Or "Retards" in both post 1 and 6.
Yes. That's exactly what you were doing with Koltar. :rolleyes:
In any case, this isn't thekoltarsite. The design or corporate choices of RPG writers/publishers are DIRECTLY relevant to the theme of this site. You thinking Koltar is a douchebag is NOT directly relevant. It is in fact, OFF-MOTHERFUCKING-TOPIC.
QuoteSo your right, that has cleared things up for me. So I'm done with this thread. OHT is right, worst thread ever. I'm gonna go post some "content" on another thread. I'll catch ya on the flip Il Duce.
Good. I strongly recommend that. Since the thread has at this point de-evolved to all the usual suspects coming along to take their turns to be smacked down yet again by the Pundit.
RPGPundit
Quote from: RPGPundit;348527It is NOT ok to follow around individual posters on this forum and try to post zero-content personal attacks and insults against them at every opportunity, particularly when they're gratuitous and have fuck all to do with the subject of the thread in question.
Will you be creating a forum where we can bring such violators to the moderators' attention? Or perhaps add a report button?
Seanchai
Quote from: Seanchai;348621Will you be creating a forum where we can bring such violators to the moderators' attention? Or perhaps add a report button?
Seanchai
Seanchai,
There is a Help section at the bottom of the index page.
Here:
http://www.therpgsite.com/forumdisplay.php?f=15
You already knew that tho.....
- Ed C.
As far as I know - my only post in this thread.
Quote from: Koltar;348627There is a feedback section at the bottom of the index page.
You already knew that tho.....
Ah, the point goeth *whoosh*...
Seanchai
Quote from: RPGPundit;348599...the thread has at this point de-evolved to all the usual suspects coming along to take their turns to be smacked down yet again by the Pundit.
I'm reminded from time to time how truly fragile and fussy you are.
!i!
Look, I'm all for watching Pundit back himself into a corner and invite poking with pointy sticks, but just check this shit out:
Quote from: RPGPundit;348267And speaking of "harping endlessly", your posts are beginning to become nothing but a stream of anti-pundit attacks. I'd suggest you stop it. People who don't contribute and are clearly here only to stalk someone they're obsessed about in some pathetic childish dick-waving contest don't tend to do well.
Quote from: RPGPundit;348302Disingenuous is also, for example, certain people on here pretending that they give a fuck about this topic or even this board, when they only really want to try to make cheap shots on me. I like how the very people claiming I'm "trolling" are the ones who are most obviously trolling this thread and forum in the classic sense of the term.
Quote from: RPGPundit;348461I mean people who post virtually nothing but attacks on my person (or any other individual poster) and who seemingly dedicate their time on theRPGsite to scanning the threads for any post by me just to type out a response that has ZERO content and amounts to a personal attack, and rarely if ever do anything else.
Let's not get too psychoanalytic about it, but I think there's more Pundit ego involved in this thread than we usually see.
Quote from: RPGPundit;348527Ahhh. I see. I hadn't captured the subtlety of his issue what with his roundabout passive-aggressive parlance.
Interesting, because the initial comments above were aimed at me. Why me? I am not chief of the Pundit antagonists. Ian Absentia, for example, goes in like he's training for the Olympic Pundit-cornering event.
I've looked over my recent comment history for signs of "a stream of anti-pundit attacks", but seen nothing that qualifies. In fact, I'm one of the only posters here who qualifies criticism of Pundit with recognition of his frequently clever and apposite posts.
What I do see, however, is a couple of comments I've made regarding F:tA! versus retro-clones, and this is where the passive-aggressiveness comes in. Consciously or otherwise, Pundit rags the OSR because he believes it deprives the game he wrote of its due recognition. "If only the filthy grognards weren't resurrecting OD&D, it would my game - mine! - leading the classic gaming renaissance!"
Pundit has set himself up as the Salieri in a one-man melodrama.
F:tA! might be brilliant. It might do old-school better than old school. I don't know because I've never played it. But Pundit, if you want to spruik your game, do it openly. You're not going to make it popular by carping at retro-clones and the people who play them, especially since everyone can see that that's what you're trying to do.
Quote from: RPGPundit;348599The reason I missed it was very simple: I couldn't give a twopenny fuck about your personal moral conundrums.
I'm sure that over in Ronin-world, your beef with Koltar is a massive issue of cosmic proportions. But over here in the real world, I don't give a fuck.
Well, holy shit. Someone get Alanis Morissette on the phone and tell her we have a perfect example of irony she can learn from.
Read this thread over again, Pundit, and you'll find that no-one gives a twopenny fuck about your personal moral condundrums.
I'm sure that over in Pundit-world, your beef with the Forgites is a massive issue of cosmic proportions. But over here in the real world, we don't give a fuck.
Quote from: Seanchai;348621Will you be creating a forum where we can bring such violators to the moderators' attention? Or perhaps add a report button?
Seanchai
There's already an option to report; but almost anyone who's ever reported anything but spam has been disappointed.
What really works around here is just talking to me if you have a problem with another poster; its not rocket-science, its pretty easy to spot someone who's engaging in "stalking" behaviour.
RPGPundit
Not me- I'm invisible! It says so in red!
Quote from: Hairfoot;348781Interesting, because the initial comments above were aimed at me. Why me? I am not chief of the Pundit antagonists. Ian Absentia, for example, goes in like he's training for the Olympic Pundit-cornering event.
I'd also recently seen more productive posting from Ian than I had from you. I think that trying to snipe at me is a pretty stupid and pointless exercise, and basically hides a lack of confidence in being able to actually argue/debate with me over the facts of the thread in question, but I'm considerably less tolerant of this activity if it seems to be (or evolves to become) the ONLY thing someone is doing.
QuoteWhat I do see, however, is a couple of comments I've made regarding F:tA! versus retro-clones, and this is where the passive-aggressiveness comes in. Consciously or otherwise, Pundit rags the OSR because he believes it deprives the game he wrote of its due recognition. "If only the filthy grognards weren't resurrecting OD&D, it would my game - mine! - leading the classic gaming renaissance!"
Pundit has set himself up as the Salieri in a one-man melodrama.
Absurd. I was never under the slightest illusion that my game would ever become anything more than the moderately-successful game that it is.
QuoteF:tA! might be brilliant. It might do old-school better than old school. I don't know because I've never played it. But Pundit, if you want to spruik your game, do it openly.
I'm not very sure what "spruik" means, but if it basically means "shill", you haven't been paying a lot of attention. I do shill my games, shamelessly. I have no need of doing so in any kind of a hidden fashion.
As much as detractors want to try to play make-believe that my issues with the OSR have something to do with FtA! specifically, they in fact have everything to do with the fact that:
A) I love D&D
and
B) I think that the promotion of Old School can be an enormous force for good in our hobby, and would wish that this promotion take a form that is more broad-minded than what I see from many of the OSR-crowd.
QuoteRead this thread over again, Pundit, and you'll find that no-one gives a twopenny fuck about your personal moral condundrums.
I'm sure that over in Pundit-world, your beef with the Forgites is a massive issue of cosmic proportions. But over here in the real world, we don't give a fuck.
Nearly five years of having one of the most popular gaming blogs around, this forum, and (most significantly) the vast amount of online battles that have been waged regarding the Forge, "theory", GNS, and "storygaming" where I haven't had anything to do with it, threads and blogs from people who barely even know of my existence, all add up to make it pretty fucking clear a shitload of people do, in fact, give a fuck about this particularly conundrum.
When I see hundreds of thousands of forum posts, over the course of years and years, dedicated to how annoying Koltar is, then I'll be willing to accept that Ronin's little crusade is equivalent to my own.
RPGPundit
Quote from: RPGPunditI'd also recently seen more productive posting from Ian than I had from you. I think that trying to snipe at me is a pretty stupid and pointless exercise, and basically hides a lack of confidence in being able to actually argue/debate with me over the facts of the thread in question, but I'm considerably less tolerant of this activity if it seems to be (or evolves to become) the ONLY thing someone is doing.
Arrant bullshit. You make statements that so defy reality that we all come away convinced you're simply trying to cause sensation, then you carry on as though you genuinely believe you're stating obvious truths. The Pundit character is certainly enigmatic, but I'm starting to think it may be in the Dave Sim way.
Here's (http://www.therpgsite.com/search.php?searchid=127299) my post history for the last month. I invite any and all - Pundit included - to examine it and judge for themselves if sniping at Pundit is the only thing I do here, to the exclusion of productive posting.
Quote from: RPGPunditNearly five years of having one of the most popular gaming blogs around, this forum, and (most significantly) the vast amount of online battles that have been waged regarding the Forge, "theory", GNS, and "storygaming" where I haven't had anything to do with it, threads and blogs from people who barely even know of my existence, all add up to make it pretty fucking clear a shitload of people do, in fact, give a fuck about this particularly conundrum.
Surely you realise that no-one takes your self-congratulation seriously. Wild exaggeration (http://www.therpgsite.com/showpost.php?p=322754&postcount=107) in service of ego is as Pundit as pipe-smoking.
I just popped over to your blog and looked through a dozen or so pages. Of the few entries that attracted comments, over half the comments were yours. I don't know what constitutes "having one of the most popular gaming blogs around", but yours appears less popular than any of the gaming blogs I visit with any regularity - and that's few.
I'm sure storygaming is the new Nazism in the echo chamber you've helped construct, but no-one in the wider world gives a stuff, because it's an insignificant fringe of an insignificant fringe of a hobby. Many of the people on this site had never even heard of storygames, Swine or the Forge until they were blindsided by one your frenzied attacks.
On the other hand, it looks like you're having fun with it. I'll give it a go. I hereby declare that LARPers are going to overthrow the democratic west. If you refuse to debate the topic with me because it's clearly apeshit insane, then you must lack the confidence and ability to argue with me.
Quote from: Hairfoot;348781I've looked over my recent comment history for signs of "a stream of anti-pundit attacks", but seen nothing that qualifies. In fact, I'm one of the only posters here who qualifies criticism of Pundit with recognition of his frequently clever and apposite posts.
I just made the same exercise and got the same results.
I don't think, though, the Pundit's trying to covertly shill FtA! by poking at OSR, he's been open and honest about it. I believe his motives to do that, because I believe he really sees a movement there with the characteristics he adjudicates to it. Thing is, I disagree on that characteristics, but I don't see his discourse as a sales pitch in any form.
QuoteRead this thread over again, Pundit, and you'll find that no-one gives a twopenny fuck about your personal moral condundrums.
I'm sure that over in Pundit-world, your beef with the Forgites is a massive issue of cosmic proportions. But over here in the real world, we don't give a fuck.
Thing is, that could be said about any moral conundrum over the Internet :D
Quote from: Hairfoot;348858I just popped over to your blog and looked through a dozen or so pages. Of the few entries that attracted comments, over half the comments were yours. I don't know what constitutes "having one of the most popular gaming blogs around", but yours appears less popular than any of the gaming blogs I visit with any regularity - and that's few.
I'm sure storygaming is the new Nazism in the echo chamber you've helped construct, but no-one in the wider world gives a stuff, because it's an insignificant fringe of an insignificant fringe of a hobby. Many of the people on this site had never even heard of storygames, Swine or the Forge until they were blindsided by one your frenzied attacks.
Pundit has said on previous occasion that he never quotes sources for many of his antics, so it's not unsurprising that he claims to have a very successful blog without sustaining that statement with data. Nothing new, really.
Of all the avenues available to take a poke at Pundit (and lets face it, he provides many), i think that claiming his blog isn't popular is not a fruitful one.
Quote from: One Horse Town;348899Of all the avenues available to take a poke at Pundit (and lets face it, he provides many), i think that claiming his blog isn't popular is not a fruitful one.
I'm not saying that his blog isn't popular, because I just don't have the data. But I seriously suspect that neither does he. And popular, compared to what? :)
To be successful with a blog is going to depend on your own criteria for that: my personal blog is a complete success, though I'm sure that its numebr of visits is pretty low. But it fulfills my goals, so it's OK.
Now the Pundit claims to be "one of the most popular gaming bloggers" without having any data to sustain that. For all I know, he could be one, but I know several gaming blogs that get far more attention, comments and the like than his.
Not that virtual popularity is that important.
Quote from: Imperator;348906I'm not saying that his blog isn't popular, because I just don't have the data. But I seriously suspect that neither does he. And popular, compared to what? :)
To be successful with a blog is going to depend on your own criteria for that: my personal blog is a complete success, though I'm sure that its numebr of visits is pretty low. But it fulfills my goals, so it's OK.
Now the Pundit claims to be "one of the most popular gaming bloggers" without having any data to sustain that.
Yesterday, my blog had been visited nearly 1700 times. And that was for "Legion of Super-Peanuts Mondays", not exactly one of my hardcore days.
QuoteNot that virtual popularity is that important.
Way to cover your ass: "The Pundit isn't awesome like he says he is, and just in case, the way he says he's awesome isn't really that awesome". Again, says the guy talking about ME, on MY forum, and who has been trying to tell everyone who'd listen and many people who won't just how un-awesome I am for literally YEARS now.
You know what dude? At this point, YOU are the best "sustainable data" proof of my popularity, relevance, and significance.
RPGPundit
Quote from: RPGPundit;348977Yesterday, my blog had been visited nearly 1700 times.
How many of those were real people?
Seanchai
Quote from: RPGPundit;348977Yesterday, my blog had been visited nearly 1700 times. And that was for "Legion of Super-Peanuts Mondays", not exactly one of my hardcore days.
Cool! How many people visited Grognardia? And Musings of the Chatty DM? And Evil DM's Lair? Unclebear? Gnomestew? Just off the top of my head, mind you.
Is 1700 visits a lot or is a drop in the ocean?
We don't know. I don't.
QuoteYou know what dude? At this point, YOU are the best "sustainable data" proof of my popularity, relevance, and significance.
My opinions are only proof of themselves. People arguing with you don't prove any of the things you say they prove. It only proves that you allow free discussion here, and that some people don't think like you.
I'm tempted to close the thread for being shit and damn the consequences.
The question in the OP has been answered long-since and now its just harrying Pundit over something few give a flying fuck about.
Quote from: One Horse Town;349046I'm tempted to close the thread for being shit and damn the consequences.
The question in the OP has been answered long-since and now its just harrying Pundit over something few give a flying fuck about.
I mean, I think you /should/, but if you're gonna close threads for degenerating into harrying I could make a /list/.
A Flashman RPG could be a ton of fun, btw.
Quote from: Thanlis;349049I mean, I think you /should/, but if you're gonna close threads for degenerating into harrying I could make a /list/.
A Flashman RPG could be a ton of fun, btw.
/Whats/with/all/the/fucking/slashes/?
Quote from: One Horse Town;349053/Whats/with/all/the/fucking/slashes/?
I hate tags. (And Capulets, of course.)
If you don't want the Forger/Swine scum to be part of your hobby why allow them to post on this site ? I mean it's like you are playing football on a field that you own and the rhythmic gymnasts start doing their routines in the middle of your game on your field. And instead of telling them to fuck off, you start shouting at them and commenting on their routines and how rhythmic gymnastic is soo not like football.
Fucking Halfjack, trying to infect my hobby.
Regards,
David R
Because the best way to fight them is to reveal the emptiness of their arguments.
RPGPundit
But why fight them when you can keep them out of your yard ? After all they are crapping in it.
Regards,
David R
He shits there so much himself, he hardly notices that part.
Quote from: RPGPundit;349196Because the best way to fight them is to reveal the emptiness of their arguments.
Kind of like this whole thread, right?
!i!
Quote from: Aos;349206He shits there so much himself, he hardly notices that part.
Are you saying that I've been playing in a litterbox?
Seanchai
Quote from: Imperator;349034Cool! How many people visited Grognardia? And Musings of the Chatty DM? And Evil DM's Lair? Unclebear? Gnomestew? Just off the top of my head, mind you.
Is 1700 visits a lot or is a drop in the ocean?
We don't know. I don't.
My opinions are only proof of themselves. People arguing with you don't prove any of the things you say they prove. It only proves that you allow free discussion here, and that some people don't think like you.
I'm pretty sure that 1700 hits is a good number. My girlfriend is a professional musician and college professor / face book addict, and she has less friends on facebook.
Also, I kinda like the anti-swine sentiment. I didn't know how group all of the game masters I didn't like until I came here.
Quote from: Cranewings;349303I'm pretty sure that 1700 hits is a good number. My girlfriend is a professional musician and college professor / face book addict, and she has less friends on facebook.
I agree that it may well be. But:
- some of those hits will be Google spiders and the like.
- not all who hang out at Pundit's place will be gamers. Many people hits some websites looking for the weirdest shit.
- not all the gamers visiting Pundit's place will support, agree with him or whatever.
And again, popular is a relative term. 1700 is a good number depending on the comparison.
Quote from: Imperator;349306I agree that it may well be. But:
- some of those hits will be Google spiders and the like.
- not all who hang out at Pundit's place will be gamers. Many people hits some websites looking for the weirdest shit.
- not all the gamers visiting Pundit's place will support, agree with him or whatever.
And again, popular is a relative term. 1700 is a good number depending on the comparison.
It's good, but it's not enough evidence to call yourself the biggest. Or even big. I used to get 1K visits a day on my old political/social blog back in the early 2000s.
If you search for "roleplaying" on Technorati, the first actual RPG blog is Grognardia, which is kind of cool. Dave the Game's Critical Hits is also quite high, as is RPGBlog2, as is DungeonMastering. Jeff's Gameblog is up there too.
Technorati doesn't even know about RPGPundit.xanga.com. It indexes Xanga blogs, but not Pundie's. So, yeah.
Quote from: Ian Absentia;348166Pundy couldn't be bothered to send a message to the author who posts right here on this very site and ask him a simple question directly. So, without bothering to actually make a fucking poll, what do you think is the reason?
!i!
Is it because fuck the Pundit?
Seriously, I've kept my mouth shut for a long time, but, fuck a
duck, man--when even
I feel like calling you out on your petty little juvenile bullshit...?
So why here, why now? Why not, and who cares?!
There. I said it.
Um, nearly 3 years, just sayin' :cool:
I appreciate the defense, but that is quite the delayed reaction!
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