If you would like some drive space and for me to host your pics, let me know. Send me an email at bilbo@hinterwelt.com and I will set you up.

Welcome to the site and try not to let the flames bother you. It is a rough crowd but there are good discussions that go on.

Bill

Quote from: Kyle AaronWel, I was wondering what the fuck HinterWelt was talking about with this thread, and now seeing this one, I know!

RPGPundit, Settembrini, Abyssal Maw - you guys are going troppo, seriously. Calm the fuck down. The guy just wanted to show us pics of his con.

Huh? I had all of three posts on this thread, none of which were attacking the OP in any way, one of which was encouraging him to post in other parts of this forum.

QuoteThere's also the guy who leers at the women embarassingly and makes loud comments about their appearance. We call him "RPGPundit." Pay him no mind, he's just single and lonely. We're sending him to deportment school, he graduates in 2020.

Dude, you've just gotten to the point where you've officially completed the descent from "guy with intelligent and useful things to say" to "pathetic".

RPGPundit

Kyle - Pundit's right. It was Sett and AM who were going at the guy. Pundit said nothing remotely like an attack. Maybe you're confusing soie things others said?

-clash

Quote from: AlnagI am not sure how many people will grasp the joke, but it is the good one indeed. Thirty years war began in Bohemia (currently Czech republic) by defenestration of catholic councillors from the windows of Prague castle (not far from where I live).

I had thought that was the case, but I had to look it up. There are some Godawful gaps in my knowledge.

Quote from: RPGPunditHuh? I had all of three posts on this thread, none of which were attacking the OP in any way, one of which was encouraging him to post in other parts of this forum.

I wouldn't say that. After all, here...

Quote from: RPGPunditAnyways, its unsurprising to see that the Forge Swine appear to have a pretty high volume of followers who look like mouth-breathing sociopath lawn-crappers.

So the guy comes to show us pics of his con he went to, and that's what you have to say about the attendees. That ain't exactly complimentary towards the guy.

I guess you could try to play the "oh, I'm not insulting him, just everyone he knows and likes!" card, but I don't think that's worth any points these days.

Quote from: RPGPunditDude, you've just gotten to the point where you've officially completed the descent from "guy with intelligent and useful things to say" to "pathetic".

Well, I'll have some company there, quoting from the same post as before:

Quote from: RPGPunditKind of a pity, though, at least the White Wolf swine had the whole Goth thing going for them, every once in a while there was even one of them that seemed worth fucking.

"Why does therpgsite not have a lot of female posters? I can't think why..."
:pundit:

Apparently, your answer is that they're delicate little flowers and I'm the big bad wolf. Tough. I want women posters; what I don't want are Delicate Little Flowers who need people censoring themselves (or being censored by others) to feel "emotionally safe" enough to be here. Fuck that shit.  

Of course, if any of them got hit on, be it by some random guy talking about their tits, or be it by, say, a pathetic self-absorbed fashionably "sensitive" australian who hypocritically doubletalks at every opportunity about staying on the topic of RPGs while spending much of his time insulting other posters or getting into flamewars where he spews off vomit-like chunderings of unearned righteous indignation, trying to pitifully impress said female poster with how metrosexually feminist he is, that person would be dealt with.

RPGPundit

OK, so some guy comes in posting like a viral marketer and then when he is treated like a viral marketer it's wrong? Its not like we haven't seen this tactic before or that the poster has been registered here for about a year (and thus should have more than just a passing knowledge of this forum and its attitudes).

I'll go with Sett on this and wait to see how he posts, but it sure is a bad way to start.

I can't believe it. Just the other day I was saying to myself "TheRPGsite sucks in a particular way I find hard to explain, If only there was a single thread that could serve as an example of the kind of crap someone can expect from the board in general".

And I'll be, here it is.

Quote from: Abyssal MawSo, as a new indie cultist, whats your take on the whole brain damage thing?

And here we have a strong opening with The Mouth cutting right to the chase. Yes, it's possible that this is just some innocent new poster who had a good time at Dexcon and just wanted to share... but WHY TAKE THAT CHANCE!?!

Quote from: SettembriniWow. Get lost, you guys.
For that shit, there´s always "story"-games.

And here we have a brilliant follow up by TP which is made even more astounding by the fact that he's absolutely right. RPG.net, NerdNYC, story-games, and even the beloved Forge itself, are far better places than this (and no, I don't care if Luke beat me to it).

I only come here for the chicken wings and margaritas.

Quote from: Abyssal MawIf the indie crowd had all that creative crackling energy they probably wouldn't have been continuously rewriting the same three awful "games" since 1996.

Yeah, as opposed to your cult that's been rewriting the same... er... ONE game since 1979

Quote from: VBWyrdeNow, then... would someone mind tell me what is going on?

Well, you see, there's this 'war' against 'swine', and... well... there was this guy who called them brain damaged once or something... I'm really not sure. It actually makes less sense the more it's explained to me.

Quote from: Pierce InverarityWow, looks like I'm the only one who's noticed that Pundy's being positively fiendish here. What a clever arsehole motherfucker.

Well I noticed that too. Could it be that The Pundit actually DOES want to make theRPGsite a general hub for the hobby?

Quote from: RPGPunditHoly fuck he looks like a yokel.  Its amusing to think THIS is the guy that feels he has the right to demand personal servants, hookers, blow, or whatever the fuck else he claims he deserves as a "celebrity" of the roleplaying world.

Hey, I'd like to see what YOUR hair looks like when you run a game.

Quote from: David RBut if you leave the terrorist win

Don't worry, I will never let that happen

Quote from: AlnagDon't be so sure about it... I was very close to murder on one con, when once indie-fan claimed that only indie games are source of all inovations in RPG. I asked him for examples and than "politely" point him to commercial games using these concepts before. He wasn't very happy... but that is quite common if you have so great blind spot. Luckily it didn't ended in bloodshed...

See, I told you that you being a complete coward would save your life one day

Quote from: SettembriniYepp, AM is right. There´s the whole internet (RPG.NEt, the forge, New York City etc., story games...) that is forger-infested.
Why bother us?
We don´t like that kind of enthusiasm.
Go away.

Please go to Story Games. There´s a reason it exists, you know? And it is older than theRPGsite.

Yes, because if you stick around here, you'll have to hear TP talk about posts on other forums he's not allowed to, or won't, post to, like here, and here.

TP is not very good in an actual debate.

Quote from: SettembriniLuke,
you never ever have contributed to this site, except for adding swine-war drama.

I'd say the pot is calling the kettle black here, but nothing on earth is THAT black 0_0

Quote from: SettembriniEnjoy theRPGSite, the only site were Bullshit is called EVERYTIME, no matter who is uttering it.

Yeah, I just wish I wasn't the only one calling it.

Quote from: Pierce InveraritySo, Luke... Why don't you talk games over here, then? Hmmm?

Well, if it's for the same reasons I don't, it's because you get far better feedback from other boards. TheRPGsite is sadly is only fit to play 'Swine Wars'.

Which is fun in a sort of 'slumming with the locals' kinda way.

Quote from: RPGPunditVBWyrde, my advice to you would be to go and post on some threads (or make some new threads) on the main Roleplaying board, or the Amber board if you like Amber, or the Pundit's board, or even here.

Especially the bold two as those are The Pundit's pet projects.

Quote from: walkerpYou won't.  I recommend leaving now.

This, from someone who was (in my opinion unjustly) banned from RPG.net.



Wow. You know, I do take time and effort to form an opinion, and I give all kinds of second chances, but there's a point where I just appear retarded for doing so. There are some genuinely damaged and hostile human beings on this board, and it's no longer worth giving them the benefit of the doubt.

Quote from: chaosvoyagerHey, I'd like to see what YOUR hair looks like when you run a game.

The last Con I went to (last years Montevideo Comics) I was in a Christian Dior suit, and I try to keep my hair done to match.

RPGpundit

Quote from: RPGPunditApparently, your answer is that they're delicate little flowers and I'm the big bad wolf.

Not really. It's just that your posts indicate that you think women are only good for fucking. Okay, you want to live your life like that, not our problem. But it'd be good if you could hold that opinion back a bit from time to time. It doesn't help. It makes them feel as welcome here as we would if we went to some female-dominated board and found they thought that men were only good for paying the bills, or something.

It's just not terribly welcoming. We can be rough and tough in our talk, but rough and tough with people as individuals, not treating them as homogenous members of some class, whether it be fuckable women, or whatever.

You know, Nina the rpg.net admin gets discussed here and people talk about whether she's worth titfucking, someone mentions Condoleeza Rice and it's all about hotornot, RPGPundit mentions WW gamers and it's about whether their female fans are more or less fuckable than other rpg female fans.

They don't really have to be delicate little flowers in need of manly protection to be pissed off by that. In fact, they definitely don't need protection because they just don't come here. It's a boy's club - not even a men's club, but a boy's club. Men can show restraint; only boys never restrain themselves.

Is it too much to ask to dial the volume down a bit? Really? The same goes for all this Swine War nonsense. Some guy comes in posting pics of his con, sharing rpg enthusiasm, and RPGPundit and Settembrini and Abyssal Maw abuse the fuck out of him and his con buddies. Why? "Viral marketing"? Oh for fuck's sakes...

Quote from: RPGPunditOf course, if any of them got hit on, be it by some random guy talking about their tits, or be it by, say, a pathetic self-absorbed fashionably "sensitive" australian who hypocritically doubletalks at every opportunity about staying on the topic of RPGs while spending much of his time insulting other posters or getting into flamewars where he spews off vomit-like chunderings of unearned righteous indignation, trying to pitifully impress said female poster with how metrosexually feminist he is, that person would be dealt with.

Cute rant. To be sure, you'll not see me hitting on any female posters here, for two reasons,

a) I'm attached, and
2) what female posters?

Can we just turn the volume down a bit about how we'd all like to fuck some h4wt chixxorz, and about how we're fighting the Swine War? Is that so hard? So evil? Really?

The shitty reception VBWyrde got no doubt convinced him that we're fucking maniacs not worth taking seriously, which means that any hope of establishing a dialogue about indie games and the Forge culture with him is shut down. Good job guys, you're recruiting people for the very groups you hate by being paranoid dickheads!

His most recent post was within the last 2 hours - or around 12:19 ... 12:20 am my time.

 Hardly looks like a guy who was "driven off", PseudoP .... Maybe bored with this thread - but not the forum itself.

- Ed C.

Please don't quote things you've imagined I've said, Koltar.

Chaosvoyager,

Let´s take you seriously. Let´s say there are people having issues, who are raving lunatics.
Let´s also assume that you are right that this board is all about the Swine war drama, and nothing else.
Because of these people.

If perception of this board were like this, there would be no reason, as you say, to come here. Until you want partake in the war.

And this is happening right now.

You, that are saying there is nothing to this board, come here and try to subvert it, to make it just like other boards.

And this is the shit that drives up the anger:

1) your mischaracterization:
- your games aren´t fun
- your forum isn´t fun

2) your mission & methods:
- lies
- subversion of forae
- viral marketing
- weaseling
- etc.

BUT: these are all petty crimes in my book. In my book the real thing that makes me want to say:

http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~niall/wavdalek.htm

is the following. I´ll explain it to you nice and slow.

Total lack of decency, bigotry and intellectual shallowness. Now you might wonder: what has this got to do with the games?

NOTHING!

I don´t have anything against these games. I own some of them, have played even more. I wish their hobby to grow and prosper. But only if it doesn´t affect MY Hobby.
But everything against their online shilling brigade == Swine.


Back to that:

- intellectual shallowness: as has been proven time and time again, Forgers and their adherents are unable to engage in meaningful discourse, if their Jargon is taken away. If faced with real science or even trivialized humanities at the level of feature pages of a quality newspaper, they falter and run away. About the failings of the big model, we shall say nothing more, as they are done to death and quite boring.

- bigotry: well look at this thread. They claim there is no war, but only come here for the war. Except maybe TonyLB, he seems to be involved in all kinds of discussions, but I don´t know what he is writing, so he could be doing anything, but I´m giving him the benefit of the doubt. All other people I´m adressing here, are sunbathing in their level-headedness and "being a nice fella", while, at the same time spreading malice, venom and their marketing viruses. Even more: they are smug, elitist, talk-behind-the back types of guys. But what really makes me mad, is that they jsut weasel a bit, and smile, like they had done nothing. This infuriates me, especially if they can fool other people. I prefer ten thousand Malcolm Sheppard to one Luke Crane in that regard. Fighting with an open visor and banners unrolled is much appreciated. The cowardice and spinelessness of the Swine in this world is deplorable.

- lack of decency:
Maybe this is a cultural thing, maybe it´s US vs. the Rest.
People are fiendly when they are actually not. I hate this to a big degree. They want to stay decent and liked, but are actually gigantic assholes, or indifferent. And they even believe in their own niceties, which astounds me. Come to our booth, we´ll have a chat, you will like me!" WTF? Is this a social endeavour? Is RPGing now a meet nice people club?
I thought it was a bout gaming, not about making friends.

And, the worst of all Swine attributes is

lack of taste.

In the intellectual and moral meaning of taste. They are as tasteless and pathetic as most critics of Anne Coulter are.


So to sum it up: It´s the humans that drive my anger, not the games.

Quote from: PseudoephedrineThe shitty reception VBWyrde got no doubt convinced him that we're fucking maniacs not worth taking seriously, which means that any hope of establishing a dialogue about indie games and the Forge culture with him is shut down. Good job guys, you're recruiting people for the very groups you hate by being paranoid dickheads!

This is a valid concern.

EDIT: I think, it has been proven, that this thread was indeed a coordinated marketing ploy. Especially with all these rats coming from everywhere to keep the flames fueled.

We shall henceforth not partake in these.
We are superiour beings.
We propose widened ignore fields to suppress venomous messages.
Engage ignore function.