Quote from: JimBobOzIt seems he was posting at the same time as me. I was assuming he'd have the good sense not to reply to the accusations, and just leave it be. Obviously I was wrong.


This is what I meant when I said that the thing would come up months later and have to be dealt with again. If mythusmage is to be prohibited from the topic X, then what happens when people ask him about topic X? Do they get in trouble for bringing it up with him? Messy, messy. Easier to bannzorz his arse.

Oh well.

That's very unprofessional of you, J Arcane! I'll never buy a game from you again!

It stopped being about children a long time ago. It's about JArcane's immaturity and inability to move on. The same with certain others, who have no real contact with young people, and no understanding of what children and adolescents are like. When dealing with the young you need infinite wisdom, infinite patience, and a healthy sense of humor. I'm afraid that JArcane's caretakers will find out what he's doing (grownups always do) and he'll lose his computer privileges.

No, people like him need to have someone to hate. Were I to say something positive about Adolf Hitler, he'd be on that like shit on a corpse. I said something he found repulsive, and now he needs to see the subject in a light that obscures rather than illuminates.

To put it all as simply as possible, I strongly counsel against sex with children. No matter what their wishes are it would end up hurting them. Be a guide, a teacher, but for God's sake no sex. Especially with a child with the sort of pathology JArcane has.

Jesus, this was already an unpleasant thread, with mythusmage's latest contribution I now feel like washing for having read it.

Otherwise, I'm bowing out, I hate threads like this.  Instead of talking about interesting stuff there's people fighting year old battles and potentially decent posters being put off in the process.  

Listen, there's a hell of a good thread next door, let's go.

Quote from: crapdaddyI would ask you to look at today's events through his eyes.  Imagine you're strolling through a forum and you see some semi-hateful things written about you.  Understandably you attempt to sort it out.  At first you're hurt, then you try to approach it more rationally.  Nothing works.  Finally, you decide to bail out because people have simply resorted to CALLING YOU NAMES.  Does John deserve to be called out on his behavior?  Yes.  Does he deserve to be called a "cocksmock"?  No.  No one does.

He never said that he dropped out because people were calling him names. In fact, the post he replied to when dropping out was my one, when I said "Just because you declare that you are a dick doesn't mean you should be allowed to avoid the consequences of being a dick."

John's mistake was in lashing out, and then - when he approached things rationally - backsliding into lashing out again. In fact, I'll be blunt: based on the way I, a disinterested member of the gaming public, saw him behave on this thread, I think it would be in his best interests not to get involved in threads like this. His online temper and manner of speaking is sufficiently bad that he only ever makes things worse.

QuoteI think the most important thing you're all forgetting about John is that he's just a gamer.  He's a pedantic, socially awkward, hyperintelligent gamer ~just like the rest of you~.  Just like me.  HE'S NO DIFFERENT.  The only difference between us and him is that he was lucky enough to get a job in the industry.

Speak for yourself. I don't consider myself socially awkward - not anymore, at any rate. And if he's aware that he doesn't come across well in net conversations, again, it would be best for him if he didn't partake of them.

QuoteAnd whatever else you can say about John, he's no pussy.  He doesn't hide behind internet handles.  He came on here using his own name, despite the fact that some pretty hateful things had already been said about him.  He did his best to defended himself and when he realized that he wasn't getting anywhere, he just left.  That doesn't mean he's a pussy, it makes him human.

He left when I pointed out that his idea of customer relations was to get bogged down in a flamewar. His tone was slipping from "rational" to "angry, shouty, and irrational" before I made that post. This situation is of his making, not therpgsite's.

QuoteI understand why you guys might be upset with him.  I may even agree with a thing or two you're saying.  All I ask is that you understand that it's hard to see so much hate leveled in your direction without striking back.  John does his best, but he sometimes fails.

So what? Does this mean he should be protected from the consequences of acting like the self-declared dick he is? Creative professionals in all fields get their fair share of bile on the internet. The level-headed, smart ones don't let themselves get dragged down to the mob's level. The others... pull an Anne Rice.

John has hurt his business by doing this. I know I said earlier in the thread that I wouldn't avoid buying someone's products, but hey! I guess John proved me wrong! I'm definitely going to think twice about picking up anything he writes.

Quote from: BalbinusJesus, this was already an unpleasant thread, with mythusmage's latest contribution I now feel like washing for having read it.

Otherwise, I'm bowing out, I hate threads like this.  Instead of talking about interesting stuff there's people fighting year old battles and potentially decent posters being put off in the process.  

Listen, there's a hell of a good thread next door, let's go.

You're right. I'm also out of this thread.

Quote from: TimFinger-wagging moralizing as if he were Ward Cleaver and Wick was The Beav? I don't know, that sort of thing gets in my craw.

Look, when I see someone behaving, to my mind, like a self-destructive idiot I do them the favour of reminding them of what they are doing. You can't behave like a flailing child and expect to not be treated as such.

QuoteAs far as Crane or Wick having anything to say about rpgs....the first these guys hear of this place is when someone lets them know that there's an insane dogpile on their good names going on at therpgsite. They come on to explain their side and are met with a mudslide of vitriol by posters with less interest in holding an actual discussion than a bunch of idiot villagers with pitchforks and torches.

I never saw the Crane incident, but Wick went about doing this in an incredibly badly thought-out way - by posting angry, and going hostile from stage one.

With his second post, he almost saved himself. He was being rational, making decent arguments, a good many people here were actually being welcoming. Then he ruined it by going back to useless wailing.

The Crane incident aside, you can't accuse us of not giving John a chance. Check out the replies to the second post and the number of people opening up to him and being friendly. See how he managed to totally ruin that because he got angry and posted angry.

Quote from: ImperatorYou're right. I'm also out of this thread.

I'll follow you.

I hadn't realised mythusmage had those views (probably my fault for not reading the off-topic forum much).

But now he's soured the thread for me. I'm with the exodus.

Guys...  I don't know mythusmage from adam, and in general don't give a rat's ass, this is prompted entirely from the last handful of msges posted and my wanting in the dead of morning instead of sleep to see if I can see what the fuck y'all are getting so catty over.

I don't know anything about the history of this pedo-accusation, and I'm not going to go pour through some thread or another to get the long version.  What I've seen him post in this thread was that you have to be patient and wise with children, understand that they act out in word and thought, and not have sex with them.  How does this make people sick and sour a thread that was already pretty heavily fucked up?
Again, I'm not asking about old threads, I'm asking about what I've noticed him say in this thread, which I listed above, right there ^^.

Goddamn it.  I did not want to be brought back into this thread, but I'm getting reports and in the AM hours I'm the only admin/mod regularly on the board.

Quote from: WolvorineWhat I've seen him post in this thread was that you have to be patient and wise with children, understand that they act out in word and thought, and not have sex with them.  How does this make people sick and sour a thread that was already pretty heavily fucked up?

I'll answer your question with a couple questions of my own:  Who needs to be told not to have sex with children?  Who needs some reason, any reason, besides the simple, obvious one that everyone knows (i.e. it is morally degenerate)?  I can't speak for others, but that's what's creeping my ass out right now.

Now, let me make some suggestions here.  These are not Orders from the Admin.  This is a heartfelt plea from a guy who took the admin gig because he wants theRPGsite to be about RPGs and not about the Drama of the Moment.

mythusmage:  When you try to explain to the board the mindset of the "true pedophile" or whatever, you only force me to ask "What makes him an expert on pedophilia?"  Given how swimmingly this line of inquiry has gone in the past, I would suggest that's not a road you want me to go down.  Also, please consider refraining from telling people how to raise their children or otherwise invoking other folks' relationships with their own parents and/or children.  That's not helping you either.  At this point the only way to shake this crappy reputation you've got is to keep your nose clean and completely avoid the subject of pre-adolescent sexuality while posting here.  Hell, you want to really play it safe you'd avoid talking about kids altogether.  Again, that's not an order.  That's advice.

everybody dogging mythusmage:  Stop it.  Seriously.  Here's the deal.  If you think the dude has crossed the line hit the report button.  Don't stink up threads calling him names or using this old shit as a rhetorical beatstick.  If we're talking about some other topic and all you've got is this stuff, then you ain't got nothing.  STFU,KTHNX or whatever the kids say these days.  And please do me a favor by not forcing me to leap to mythusmage's defense.  I will if I have to and boy will I resent you for it.

I don't think these requests are unreasonable, especially in threads NOT ABOUT mythusmage or his very special pet subject.  Can we go back to talking about stupid fucking games now?

Yeah, see... now this really pisses me off.

It pisses me off because, on the one hand, Mythus started talking about stuff I had explicitly warned him not to start talking about, and told him he would get banned over.

On the other hand, he did so because a bunch of you decided you'd gotten bored of persecuting John Wick (who around anymore anyways) and decided to cast "Necromancy" on something that hadn't been brought up in months, just because Wick had run off and you were all still thirsty for blood.  

And frankly, this isn't RPG.net. I don't believe in people goading someone into something they're told is not allowed, and then reporting him for having broken the rules.  That's a pretty pathetic tactic, and it doesn't fly around here.

So, I have to either Ban Mythus AND every single one of you who mentioned said topic on here, for inciting, or I have to ban no one this time.

Given that its me, I'm going to do the latter. So please, shitheads, if you don't want Mythus getting to make a free rant about this, don't bring it the fuck up.

And Mythus: you really are, at the very best of possibilities, a douchebag with zero sense of empathy.  I mean, I can see you there, typing away think "ah, now surely THIS will make them understand" when every fucking word you type on this subject only makes you look worse and worse.  Even from a purely cold rhetorical point of view, its the indefensible premise, there is no way to make it look good (at least, not in our society), and your belief that you can do so is a sign that you're utterly clueless about understanding other human beings in the society you allegedly live in.

DO NOT talk about this shit again, if you want to stay on this site.

RPGPundit

PS: Jrients, very good admin-rant of your own!

I must apologize, I had not meant to stir the shit pot on that old thread again (I should have known that would happen).

I'm not going to comment on it again, ever, on this site.

I was going to..  but no...  god dammit I'm gonna reply because this was posted in reply to Me, dammit.

Quote from: jrientsGoddamn it.  I did not want to be brought back into this thread, but I'm getting reports and in the AM hours I'm the only admin/mod regularly on the board.

I don't know a thing about reports, but it strikes me as pretty silly.

Quote from: jrientsI'll answer your question with a couple questions of my own:  Who needs to be told not to have sex with children?  Who needs some reason, any reason, besides the simple, obvious one that everyone knows (i.e. it is morally degenerate)?  I can't speak for others, but that's what's creeping my ass out right now.

Okay, you'll answer my relatively civil questions borne out of curiosity by jumping up and down and asking a question that I can't see the relation to my own question.  Sure, I guess that works.
   Who needs to be told not to have sex with children?  The question (in direct relation to the comment within the post that I referenced in my question, previous post) is not who needs to be told not to have sex with children.  It's who should feel the need to have to state that one should not have sex with children.  Someone who feels dogpiled and is trying to put forward that they do not advocate having sex with children, is my first presumption.  Which is why I asked, quite simply, how that isolated assertation offended people?  If that doesn't make sense to you then to hell with it, take all the posts that pertain to this tangent and cull the damned things and be done with it, but if not have the courtesy to not jump My shit for asking a logical question.
   As to the rest of the rely, it obviously wasn't to me, so there's no need for me to quote it or address it.  But damn man, seriously, as a mod either cull the tangent or grow a thicker skin about talking about talking about talking about something.

Quote from: jrientsCan we go back to talking about stupid fucking games now?

A decent question, but am I mistaken in thinking that the whole Wick Incident pretty much piledrove this thread six feet into the earth with the exception of my curiosity and people kicking mythusmage?  Seems to have run its course, eh?

**EDIT:  Holy shit do I type that slowly?  The last post I saw when I started this post was from jrients**

Wolvorine, I honestly am not trying to jump on you here!  Seriously, I thought my response to your direct question was going to be helpful.  I apologize that it wasn't.  The simple fact of the matter is that I can't look at the situation in the isolated way you are seeing it.  Call that you lacking context or me unable to shrug off baggage, whichever helps you graps my inability to communicate to you.  Either way, I am totally not trying to wreck your shit here.  Honest.

QuoteSeems to have run its course, eh?

Dear God, I hope so.

Wolvorine: you'll be getting a PM about this, explaining the context.

For everyone else, this subject matter is one I would really like to see avoided around here, please.

RPGPundit

Quote from: jrientsWolvorine, I honestly am not trying to jump on you here!  Seriously, I thought my response to your direct question was going to be helpful.  I apologize that it wasn't.  The simple fact of the matter is that I can't look at the situation in the isolated way you are seeing it.  Call that you lacking context or me unable to shrug off baggage, whichever helps you graps my inability to communicate to you.  Either way, I am totally not trying to wreck your shit here.  Honest.

That works for me.  No harm no foul.