Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1120176I know the kinds of people that "Praise" hentai games. And yup, thats all Goblin slayer has got. Shock value to belay a shit plot and characters. Unlike SJWs Im not a intersectionalist moron. Just because they dislike something doesn't mean I love it and just because they love it doesn't mean I hate it. I don't base my taste on how to piss others off.

But the Anime/Light Novel fanbase is one of the worst and densest. So discussing their taste is a moot point. Pearls before swine.

Goblin Slayer wasn't that great, but the anime fanbase is far from the worst out there.

At least we're not Marvel fans. Seriously, the only thing worse than capeshit these days are the fans of capeshit.

Quote from: Antiquation!;1120206When I picture an "edgelord," I imagine an overweight high school student dressed in a black trenchcoat and fedora adorned with "PROUD ATHEIST" and "FUCK GOD" pins, brandishing a katana in one hand and an anime body pillow in the other.

I usually picture a Goth or a Punk, and most fedora-wearing atheists I've met tend to not go for the katanas or anime these days. That was more of a late 90's/early 2000's sort of thing, and now it's used as a strawman smear by capeshit-loving SJW's to attack anyone who likes anime and manga.

Quote from: Morlock;1120203What's funny is how neither of the broadly-defined "sides" in this conversation (I mean this generally, not just here at this forum) are comfortable mentioning the most salient and relevant example of colonialism, so salient and relevant that it's still going on today: Palestine and Israel. I seriously doubt (sight unseen, I admit) that the product under discussion is any exception. Funny how SJWs shut their fat yaps on this specific subset of a topic they ostensibly loooooove to talk about...

Personally, I am very pro-Israel. Despite some of their more questionable policies, they are far better than the opposition and are the closest thing that the Middle East has to a functional Western democracy. Most SJW's hate Israel with a burning passion, which is something they share in common with most white supremacists.

Israel is based as fuck. Let's be honest, any nation that can get both Antifa and Neo-Nazis to utterly seethe is kind of awesome when you think about it.

If the Israel-Palestine debate is an issue of colonialism, then I am a proud colonialist!

Quote from: Slambo;1120153Well i know song of saya is a porn game where a guy rapes a cthulloid monster cause he sees her as a little girl due to a head injury for what thats worth.

1.) Saya is not "raped" by the main character, nor does she appear as a "Little Girl" she appears as a beautiful young woman, and the main character and her fall in love with one another. That's the horror of the setting, when Fuminori realizes that Saya is a monster and that he's been having sex with something that actually looks like a Sea aneomnie crossed with a flower and tentacles... Also that it's been feeding him human flesh. Choices made by the player will result in either Saya being killed, or Saya allowing horrible lovecraftian entities to destroy the world, with her basically giving birth to a mutating plague.

2.) Song of Saya is wildly acclaimed and praised by Horror manga fans, and has even been adopted into an IDW comic and is being made into a feature film.

Quote from: Orphan81;11202411.) Saya is not "raped" by the main character, nor does she appear as a "Little Girl" she appears as a beautiful young woman,

With a wonderfully questionable anime style age range, which can be as young or as old as you like . And if somebody questions you about it just say "Well she's actualy 700 years old".
Like at one point in time anime excuses where funny but now their just boring.

Read your filthy, shlocky, perverse and degenerate smutt if you want. I mean many people do. But don't wrap it in layers of delusion and underseved pretension.
Its widely praised by people with bad taste, IDW doesn't dismiss this fact, and getting a feature film in japan speaks to the utter lows their film industry had reached. Sword art online "recieved wide praise"

This shit ain't no Uzamaki. Get over yourself.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1120235Goblin Slayer wasn't that great, but the anime fanbase is far from the worst out there.

At least we're not Marvel fans. Seriously, the only thing worse than capeshit these days are the fans of capeshit.

Well unironically liking modern marvel (And even a majority of modern DC) would require you to be retarded.

And lets get this out of the way: #notallanimefans.

The thing is I used to be such a fan of anime. 10 years ago if you asked me about anime Id say it was this awesome artform and defend it against accusations that its just a massive smut factory. Now I call it a massive smut factory and argue against most of the things that are touted as its artistic merits.

There is always more garbage then good, but the ratio of garbage to good has increased exponentially and the level of good has downright decreased.

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1120246With a wonderfully questionable anime style age range, which can be as young or as old as you like . And if somebody questions you about it just say "Well she's actualy 700 years old".
Like at one point in time anime excuses where funny but now their just boring.

Read your filthy, shlocky, perverse and degenerate smutt if you want. I mean many people do. But don't wrap it in layers of delusion and underseved pretension.
Its widely praised by people with bad taste, IDW doesn't dismiss this fact, and getting a feature film in japan speaks to the utter lows their film industry had reached. Sword art online "recieved wide praise"

This shit ain't no Uzamaki. Get over yourself.

Well unironically liking modern marvel (And even a majority of modern DC) would require you to be retarded.

And lets get this out of the way: #notallanimefans.

First, I've never even played Song of Saya myself. I've considered doing so, because I've heard it's one of the best horror Visual Novels out there. Name dropping Junji Ito's most famous work doesn't make you seem cool Bro. So do me a favor, and go fuck yourself.

Edit: And let me add, the whole "I'm so enlightened because I don't like Anime like I did 10 years ago" schlock doesn't make you seem cool or wise either. Every Anime fan does that when they get older.

But JoJo's Bizarre Adventure transcends all other anime and superhero based entertainment for me, and is a work of art. Literally the only Manga shown in the Louvre.

Quote from: Orphan81;1120247First, I've never even played Song of Saya myself. I've considered doing so, because I've heard it's one of the best horror Visual Novels out there. Name dropping Junji Ito's most famous work doesn't make you seem cool Bro. So do me a favor, and go fuck yourself.

Edit: And let me add, the whole "I'm so enlightened because I don't like Anime like I did 10 years ago" schlock doesn't make you seem cool or wise either. Every Anime fan does that when they get older.

I don't call the stuff you like shit because it makes me cool. I call it shit because I call it like I see it. THATS what makes me wise.
And not giving a fuck about what other people say about my preferences is what makes me cool. :cool:

Anyway again: Anime fans are notoriously dense, its not worth my time arguing about it.

Back to decolonization. Its bitter and moronic.

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1120246With a wonderfully questionable anime style age range, which can be as young or as old as you like . And if somebody questions you about it just say "Well she's actualy 700 years old".
Like at one point in time anime excuses where funny but now their just boring.

Read your filthy, shlocky, perverse and degenerate smutt if you want. I mean many people do. But don't wrap it in layers of delusion and underseved pretension.
Its widely praised by people with bad taste, IDW doesn't dismiss this fact, and getting a feature film in japan speaks to the utter lows their film industry had reached. Sword art online "recieved wide praise"

This shit ain't no Uzamaki. Get over yourself.

Well unironically liking modern marvel (And even a majority of modern DC) would require you to be retarded.

And lets get this out of the way: #notallanimefans.

The thing is I used to be such a fan of anime. 10 years ago if you asked me about anime Id say it was this awesome artform and defend it against accusations that its just a massive smut factory. Now I call it a massive smut factory and argue against most of the things that are touted as its artistic merits.

There is always more garbage then good, but the ratio of garbage to good has increased exponentially and the level of good has downright decreased.

I'd rather have "filthy, schlocky, perverse degenerate smut" than pretentious capeshit of any kind (be it Marvel or DC), to be honest.

At least with anime, there are still some good to go with the garbage

With Marvel and DC, it's all garbage and no good.

Of course, I am someone who likes what they like and doesn't care about "artistic merit" or any of that pretentious snobbery, so I honestly do not care for the bitching and moaning of moralizers on either end, be they left-wing Marxists or right-wing Protestants. At the end of the day, it's fiction and it ultimately doesn't matter.

Back to topic: I personally like colonialism in my RPG's. It's leagues better than the proposed alternative.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1120252I'd rather have "filthy, schlocky, perverse degenerate smut" than pretentious capeshit of any kind (be it Marvel or DC), to be honest.

Alright. Id rather have neither, or not so much have neither (since Im always for choice), but to not have them as cultural phenomenons. This puts me in the precarious position of pissing SJWs and hedonists off. Both of which are expressions of a cultural nihilism in my opinion. I don't want Morlocks or Eloi. Some escapism is good, and sex apeal is innate to humanity and adds spice to work. But I find modern anime lays on the spice as the substitute for any substance. And the escapism is bitter, angry and misanthropic. An expression of Japans collapsing social culture. Toxic work environments, cold interpersonal relationships, awful eduction system and a society without a cultural center.

Capitalism can only support hedonism while the goings good and that paradoxically requires people who can delay gratification and generally strive for longterm stability over short term self-fullfillment. A generation of hedonism won't have a generation of hedonists following it because there will be no shit left to be hedonistic over.

Colonialism also feels like such  buzzword. What civilization doesn't have some level of colonial influence over others outside of the ones that where only ever conquered and never conquerers?
Dominance, struggle and conflict are base parts of life.

Its just an excuse to be destructive and feel morally righteous.

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1120253Alright. Id rather have neither, or not so much have neither (since Im always for choice), but to not have them as cultural phenomenons. This puts me in the precarious position of pissing SJWs and hedonists off. Both of which are expressions of a cultural nihilism in my opinion. I don't want Morlocks or Eloi. Some escapism is good, and sex apeal is innate to humanity and adds spice to work. But I find modern anime lays on the spice as the substitute for any substance. And the escapism is bitter, angry and misanthropic. An expression of Japans collapsing social culture. Toxic work environments, cold interpersonal relationships, awful eduction system and a society without a cultural center.

Capitalism can only support hedonism while the goings good and that paradoxically requires people who can delay gratification and generally strive for longterm stability over short term self-fullfillment. A generation of hedonism won't have a generation of hedonists following it because there will be no shit left to be hedonistic over.

Colonialism also feels like such  buzzword. What civilization doesn't have some level of colonial influence over others outside of the ones that where only ever conquered and never conquerers?
Dominance, struggle and conflict are base parts of life.

Its just an excuse to be destructive and feel morally righteous.

I honestly do not care about morality nor do I care about feeling morally righteous, but that's just me.

Remember that time Visigoths colonized Rome? Or was that decolonization? Did king Arthur of legend decolonize himself some Saxons? Colonize, decolonize, good, bad...I'm the guy with paved roads and written language. I wonder how many extinct-before-we-got-here peoples were "colonized" by native american tribes whilst greeks were mastering pottery?

Buzzword is correct, and the term is loaded as it implies a colonization is inherently bad even if it overall longterm improves the quality of life of those involved, and seems to ignore that colonization can occur just as easily with peaceful migration and integration as it can with war. To claim to worship at the alter of diversity but then oppose colonization...in favor of what, then,  segregation, some sort of prime directive ala star trek "no contact with non-aeroploane building ethnic groups"? Absurd is the word.

Quote from: Orphan81;11202411.) Saya is not "raped" by the main character, nor does she appear as a "Little Girl" she appears as a beautiful young woman, and the main character and her fall in love with one another. That's the horror of the setting, when Fuminori realizes that Saya is a monster and that he's been having sex with something that actually looks like a Sea aneomnie crossed with a flower and tentacles... Also that it's been feeding him human flesh. Choices made by the player will result in either Saya being killed, or Saya allowing horrible lovecraftian entities to destroy the world, with her basically giving birth to a mutating plague.

2.) Song of Saya is wildly acclaimed and praised by Horror manga fans, and has even been adopted into an IDW comic and is being made into a feature film.

Maybe you played an all ages version, but no thats not quite what happens for 1 the 3 endings are saya being killed, saya fixing the main characters eyes and  then never seeing him again, or saya turning everyone into creatures like herself. I was wrong about it being the main character, its  suzumori, but saya later violates and transforms the main characters childhood friend as well. Also saya is a bit less round in the face, but shes the same size and proportions as Al Azif from Demonbane.




Saya with Al https://s2.dmcdn.net/v/D4BHP1Mc7DSB1xg7W/x1080
Saya from her own game.
https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/steam/apps/702050/extras/saya-no-uta-characters-2.png?t=1569287748

Edit: i see now you say you never played it. You are correct jojo is amazing though, but yeah Song of Saya is imo not very good. It flew under the radar until Mafoka came out and people started suggesting it as something even more fucked up. I can't find the interview but Urobuchi said its sales grew in response to Madoka (which is also a terrible anime imo)

Quote from: Manic Modron;1120216He never signed the paperwork, but he told her that it was done and she went to California and got remarried.

The man was a xenophobic bigot by the standards of his day, not merely ours, and his contemporaries often tried to call him out on it.

I will always enjoy much of his work and the work that was inspired by it, but the way he was a product of his time was the sorry state of psychology and psychiatry.  He was the racist uncle of his literary family.

Like, who cares? Seriously, EVERY SINGLE TIME someone starts talking about Cthulhu mythos, the inevitable, "HPL was a racist/bigot/homophone/xenophobe," nonsense gets brought up. Might as well just throw in gun control and Hitler to hit the hat trick for shit no one wants to discuss anymore.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1120235Goblin Slayer wasn't that great, but the anime fanbase is far from the worst out there.

At least we're not Marvel fans. Seriously, the only thing worse than capeshit these days are the fans of capeshit.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1120252I'd rather have "filthy, schlocky, perverse degenerate smut" than pretentious capeshit of any kind (be it Marvel or DC), to be honest.

Rapeime.
Now go back to your troll cave like the edgelord bitch you are.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1120235I usually picture a Goth or a Punk, and most fedora-wearing atheists I've met tend to not go for the katanas or anime these days. That was more of a late 90's/early 2000's sort of thing, and now it's used as a strawman smear by capeshit-loving SJW's to attack anyone who likes anime and manga.

Huh. It shouldn't surprise me that I'm out of touch with modern edgelords I suppose. I'm a product of my times, in that way Lovecraft and I are much alike! I do sympathize with you about 'capeshit'.

Quote from: Omega;1120279Rapeime.
Now go back to your troll cave like the edgelord bitch you are.

Methinks the hipster doth protest too much.

I will go back to my non-existent troll cave when you crawl in the grave with your heroes GG Allin, Vladimir Lenin, and Stan Lee, you pretentious smug bitch.

I'd rather be an "edgelord bitch" than a pretentious pseudo-intellectual capeshit-loving snob.

Even Stan Lee himself eventually admitted that capeshit was a mistake in his final years when he was being subject to horrific elder abuse at the hands of his Disney-backed caretakers, all because the dangerhair sows and bearded hipster bugmen at Marvel wanted to keep his close loved ones and family away from all the money they were making off his works.

As much as i love anime, i dont think you can call "capeshit" pseudo-intellectual in a way anime is not. There are good examples of that in all mediums.