Decolonization in RPGs!

BoxCrayonTales · January 27, 2020, 07:52:52 PM

Ah, decolonization. One of those idealistic fantasies that turns into banal revenge porn in practice.

You want to know what decolonization looks like? Read about the Haitian Revolution. It's colonialism in reverse, with all the slaughter and rape that entails.

Quote from: DarcyDettmann;1120115So, i got the Fate of Cthulhu's pdfs. and i cringed so hard reading it.

H.P. Lovecraft was a racist and anti-Semite!

But, married a Russian Jew, and had friends who are Jew. And if i remember right, he was basically a Proto-weeboo. Btw, anyone have read any one the stories suggested, who "fixed" Lovecraft racism? I'm just curious if they're any good or one got an "Golden Star" for "Diversity Points".

People can change. If they really want to change and stay that way, then they deserve forgiveness.

Also, would Lovecraft's stories have been remembered if they weren't horribly prejudiced? Some of the best neo-Lovecraftian fiction is that which rebuts Lovecraft and humanizes the monsters. The Black Brat of Dunwich, The Litany of Earth, The Song of Saya... This is great stuff!

goblinslayer · January 27, 2020, 08:02:59 PM

Threads like this really, really make me hope that the Goblin Slayer rpg gets translated to English soon. The sjw's will have a complete fit over the goblin genocide simulator this must be.

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Shrieking Banshee · January 27, 2020, 08:49:48 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1120141Also, would Lovecraft's stories have been remembered if they weren't horribly prejudiced? Some of the best neo-Lovecraftian fiction is that which rebuts Lovecraft and humanizes the monsters. The Black Brat of Dunwich, The Litany of Earth, The Song of Saya... This is great stuff!

While I haven't read those, the premise sounds moronic. The shape of the water is a classic example of such a thing that made me wretch.

Manic Modron · January 27, 2020, 08:51:39 PM

Quote from: DarcyDettmann;1120115H.P. Lovecraft was a racist and anti-Semite!

But, married a Russian Jew, and had friends who are Jew.

One of the reasons they got divorced was that he wouldn't shut up about how horrible Jews were and gave his wife the "you're one of the good ones" treatment.

She quotes him as saying "You no longer belong to those mongrels."

Shrieking Banshee · January 27, 2020, 09:03:55 PM

As a jew, I don't give a shit what he thought. He was a paranoid man who was racist based on the evidence he assumed at the time. Its easy to judge the past from 2020 with our vision.

His paranoia informed his writing and its mostly enjoyable regardless of race or creed. Even as a racist his works are more subtle then SJW anti-racist propaganda of our time.

JeremyR · January 27, 2020, 09:09:24 PM

Quote from: Manic Modron;1120149One of the reasons they got divorced was that he wouldn't shut up about how horrible Jews were and gave his wife the "you're one of the good ones" treatment.

She quotes him as saying "You no longer belong to those mongrels."

On the flip side, he blamed (lack of) money for the reason for the divorce and never actually finalized it...

Slambo · January 27, 2020, 09:18:22 PM

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1120147While I haven't read those, the premise sounds moronic. The shape of the water is a classic example of such a thing that made me wretch.

Well i know song of saya is a porn game where a guy rapes a cthulloid monster cause he sees her as a little girl due to a head injury for what thats worth.

Shrieking Banshee · January 27, 2020, 10:30:02 PM

Quote from: Slambo;1120153Well i know song of saya is a porn game where a guy rapes a cthulloid monster cause he sees her as a little girl due to a head injury for what thats worth.

Oh is it the one where he sees everything else as bloody viscera?

The funny thing is that Neo-Lovecraft kinda proves Lovecraft right. I guess without fearmongering people really would fuck fish-people.

Koltar · January 27, 2020, 10:38:55 PM

Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;1119822"....It also will include a complete campaign frame which calls on the players to decolonize a fantasy setting; and a discussion of how to use safety tools to keep the process empowering and educational, not exploitative. ....."

That is one of the most annoying and obnoxious sentences about a game product that I have ever read...

-Ed C.

Slambo · January 28, 2020, 12:24:42 AM

Yes its the one where he sees everything as bloddy viscera and its pretty much a big pile of shock value.

Shrieking Banshee · January 28, 2020, 12:38:00 AM

Quote from: Slambo;1120168Yes its the one where he sees everything as bloddy viscera and its pretty much a big pile of shock value.

Obfuscating the embarassment and shame of the porn game with bullshit shock value, or somekind of overtly complex magic system (*Cough*Fate*Cough) seems to be a recurring trend of the anime porn game.

So I don't really think that shitty porn games do Lovecraft Justice and im not even his biggest fan or the like.

BoxCrayonTales · January 28, 2020, 07:18:21 AM

Quote from: goblinslayer;1120143Threads like this really, really make me hope that the Goblin Slayer rpg gets translated to English soon. The sjw's will have a complete fit over the goblin genocide simulator this must be.

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I didn't find Goblin Slayer to be interesting. It's plot is extremely shallow and the world building is contradictory. The pointless shock value is another sign of poor writing.

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1120147While I haven't read those, the premise sounds moronic. The shape of the water is a classic example of such a thing that made me wretch.

Oh please. Monstergirl/monsterboy porn has been a staple of hentai for decades now. A monster/human coupling has been a staple of myth and fairytale since forever.

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1120169Obfuscating the embarassment and shame of the porn game with bullshit shock value, or somekind of overtly complex magic system (*Cough*Fate*Cough) seems to be a recurring trend of the anime porn game.

So I don't really think that shitty porn games do Lovecraft Justice and im not even his biggest fan or the like.

The Song of Saya is widely regarded with praise by horror aficionados. Also, the "shock value" critique is ironic since anti-SJW darlings like Goblin Slayer only receives praise because of its shock value.

Shrieking Banshee · January 28, 2020, 07:55:45 AM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1120175The Song of Saya is widely regarded with praise by horror aficionados. Also, the "shock value" critique is ironic since anti-SJW darlings like Goblin Slayer only receives praise because of its shock value.

I know the kinds of people that "Praise" hentai games. And yup, thats all Goblin slayer has got. Shock value to belay a shit plot and characters. Unlike SJWs Im not a intersectionalist moron. Just because they dislike something doesn't mean I love it and just because they love it doesn't mean I hate it. I don't base my taste on how to piss others off.

But the Anime/Light Novel fanbase is one of the worst and densest. So discussing their taste is a moot point. Pearls before swine.

Slambo · January 28, 2020, 08:32:33 AM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1120175The Song of Saya is widely regarded with praise by horror aficionados. Also, the "shock value" critique is ironic since anti-SJW darlings like Goblin Slayer only receives praise because of its shock value.

Em i dont see wide acclaim for song of saya, i more so see "Wow this game is fucked up". Id even say Kishi Hono Demonbane is more widely praised when were talking lovecraft games by nitro+. Its popularity basically comes from people saying "you thought madoka was fucked up look at Gen Urobuchi's earlier work"

Abraxus · January 28, 2020, 09:00:21 AM

Yes Lovecraft was rAcist and his writing prefects that imo. Yet so were many other white people of the time as well. One tries to bring that up or (gasp!) some kind of context and SJWs refuse to listen. As one can't go against the carefully constructed personal narratives. Whites were racist against each other. When the Irish and Italians moved to North america and simply glad to work so that they could keep their families feed and pay the bills. They were accused of stealing jobs from honest "white" folk.

In any case HPL is an author that will remain on my shelf in print or PDf for as long as I am alive and no one especially an sJW will make me do otherwise.