Quote from: Haffrung;1119857The tide of woke crusading could very well recede in mainstream pop culture. However, I expect it to persist - even intensify - in sub-cultures dominated by the demographic who embrace woke dogma as their core moral identity. That demographic includes many creative types in tabletop gaming.

Yes, will take a decade for it to mostly run its course (assuming it has peaked), and a generation to become a footnote.

Quote from: Plotinus;1119841Will there be any support for running a campaign where a traditional society with strict gender roles and traditional sexual ethics resists the colonialism of rich white liberals and NGOs overseas, who are pressuring it to change and conform to the very latest western ideas about equality and gender?

No?

How very odd.

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Quote from: Shasarak;1119851You know, if you can strip the SJW wankery out of this then it may actually be a good product.  In a Fantasy game you can have literal Nazis in charge so being able to run the PCs against them could be an interesting change of pace similar to the old "What if Sauron won" type scenario

Seriously, I love the idea of playing a game about fighting oppressive forces in society, where everyone has to keep their head down cuz the ruling powers are corrupt clergy or an invading force that's taken over the region and enslaved the population, and characters are trying to retake their land, etc. It's the SJW preaching that puts me off, and I seriously doubt propagandists would be able to make a decent product that would be genuinely useful in actual play.

Quote from: Shasarak;1119851You know, if you can strip the SJW wankery out of this then it may actually be a good product.  In a Fantasy game you can have literal Nazis in charge so being able to run the PCs against them could be an interesting change of pace similar to the old "What if Sauron won" type scenario

I wonder why they never ever make the oppressor commies. Also religious zealots have not a single creative bone in them, so good luck finding that nugget among their woke turds

Quote from: VisionStorm;1119866Seriously, I love the idea of playing a game about fighting oppressive forces in society, where everyone has to keep their head down cuz the ruling powers are corrupt clergy or an invading force that's taken over the region and enslaved the population, and characters are trying to retake their land, etc. It's the SJW preaching that puts me off, and I seriously doubt propagandists would be able to make a decent product that would be genuinely useful in actual play.

Exactly, as they themselves have shown in comics, movies, etc. They are propagandists (and bad ones at that) besides, even if they had something half decent buried below the propaganda I wouldn't even pirate it.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1119867I wonder why they never ever make the oppressor commies.

Real brain teaser, that one.

Quote from: Antiquation!;1119871Real brain teaser, that one.

I think they should try a year with the commies to see how they would like that.

I believe the James Mendez Hodes they mention was at WotC today to lead a cultural sensitivity seminar.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1119880I believe the James Mendez Hodes they mention was at WotC today to lead a cultural sensitivity seminar.

Greetings!

You know, the whole "cultural sensitivity seminar" got me thinking. Why are all of these other cultures so *special*? Why does the majority *need* to care about them, and cater to their every whim, desire, and preference? Why must white people be so caught up and admonished for not "offending" them?

Why aren't they confronted with their need to worry about what white people like? What white people are offended by? What white people prefer? What makes white people feel safe, respected, and honoured?

How about that?

Try going to India, China, or Mexico, and scream about how important YOU are, and how everyone else needs to gulp and duck their fucking heads and watch what they say, and worry about what offends you?

I don't think these "culturally sensitive" activists would enjoy the response they would get in those countries if they went there, and demanded everyone change their attitudes and how they do everything. I don't think they would like the response at all.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

It's basically a scam that creates demand for lectures and such.  Not much different than the groups that went around to police departments to sell the satanic panic back in the day.

Quote from: Shasarak;1119851You know, if you can strip the SJW wankery out of this then it may actually be a good product.  In a Fantasy game you can have literal Nazis in charge so being able to run the PCs against them could be an interesting change of pace similar to the old "What if Sauron won" type scenario

Thats pretty much the premise of Albedo. The ILR are effectively Nazi Germany and Red China combined, in space. And the EDF is practically everyone else as they pretty much have no choice. Yeah there are some neutral systems. But they exist only as long as the EDF keeps the ILR from expanding into them.

It's also the essence of Midnight, the 3E-period campaign setting that was a version of "Sauron got the Ring and Middle-Earth is fucked".

The world is almost entirely run by the bad guys, and the PCs are runaways/insurgents trying to mitigate the situation ("winning" is basically not possible).

Quote from: Haffrung;1119857The tide of woke crusading could very well recede in mainstream pop culture. However, I expect it to persist - even intensify - in sub-cultures dominated by the demographic who embrace woke dogma as their core moral identity. That demographic includes many creative types in tabletop gaming.

Quote from: Steven Mitchell;1119858Yes, will take a decade for it to mostly run its course (assuming it has peaked), and a generation to become a footnote.

As I've said many times before. This is cyclic. About every 20 years you see a surge, then it reaches a peak of moral guardian madness, then falls into the mockery stage and quiets down finally. Then some group of cultists starts it up all over again. This time though its going to take longer than 20 years probably as the internet allows this mind disease to spread and fester like never before. We will probably see 2-5 more years of this in media unless theres some major blowup the suits cant ignore. And even then some may. In which case you'll see companies and venues die.
The 50s, the 70s, the 90s, the 2010s. And sure enough round 2030 it will start all over again.

Evil Hat is still a thing?

Quote from: Shasarak;1119845I dont know if Monte Cook has been completely taken by the SJW infection yet but certainly Shanna Germain has as per the "Consent in Gaming" supplement.

The consent in gaming supplement is at least useful for tuning the content of your games to what your players are comfortable with.

Colionalism seems to be the pattern of history, any time one group gets a significant power advantage over another they try take over, sometimes they succeed. I too think we are seeing the tide turn on SJWness, there are important fights still to win for lots of people in the world, decolonising make believe isn't one of them.

In the worlds I create for games one group is either in the process of gaining power or has already done so creating a situation of either war or an established empire becoming decadent. The nastiest of these was a multi-species roman empire analogue that was very much on the rise due to taking full advantage of different races strengths and abilities. Goblin scouts, ork shock troops, dwarf shieldwalls, elven archers, human cavalry all working together to conquer the world.