Cyberpunk Red for us. Tweak with a few houserules to deal with the few things mentioned.

Quote from: Ocule on February 04, 2022, 09:53:28 PM
So far the choice will likely be between CP2020 and CPRed

Lowlife 2090 looks woke to me. I was gonna ask you what kind of cyber genre you were going for? And if you had read fiction already from a certain genre. I'm used to playing cybernetics the way it is shown in Star Wars. It looks like you're going the cyberpunk route, like in Blade Runner.

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll on February 05, 2022, 01:11:19 AM

Quote from: Ocule on February 04, 2022, 09:53:28 PM
So far the choice will likely be between CP2020 and CPRed

Lowlife 2090 looks woke to me. I was gonna ask you what kind of cyber genre you were going for? And if you had read fiction already from a certain genre. I'm used to playing cybernetics the way it is shown in Star Wars. It looks like you're going the cyberpunk route, like in Blade Runner.

Yeah my biggest inspirations for what im going for are things like Bladerunner, Deus Ex, Ghost in the Shell, Necromunda, Android, Cyberpunk 2077, Shadowrun (even if im not running shadowrun i take alot of inspiration from their run generators) and even altered carbon season 1 (fuck season 2). The idea behind what i was going for was to lean into the high tech and low life.

As far as the role of cyberware and such, it should be a practical requirement of combat. You should need every edge you can get, and the difference between augmented and unaugmented characters should be substantial. Though the right amount of tech should be able to bridge the gap such as smart glasses with HUD, exoskeleton or power armor, etc.

Can't tell if Lowlife 2090 is woke or not but the art is tumblr levels of bad. It definitely does NOT evoke what they are saying the game is about. So idk, i think if i did a d20 based game for cyberpunk id probably use Stars without number, or Amazing Adventures or some variation of Alternity

Quote from: Ocule on February 05, 2022, 10:52:19 AM
Can't tell if Lowlife 2090 is woke or not but the art is tumblr levels of bad. It definitely does NOT evoke what they are saying the game is about. So idk, i think if i did a d20 based game for cyberpunk id probably use Stars without number, or Amazing Adventures or some variation of Alternity

I wouldn't add any art from Lowlife 2090 to my Pinterest collections. Or any art from the new coming Shadowrun, for that matter.

I've only used Mongoose Traveller 1st Edition with Cybernetics supplement 8 and Scoundrel book 6 for any cyberpunk genre sessions I ran.

I should mention that another player just came to me and begged me not to make him learn any new systems. Which pretty much rules out like 90% of these options Traveller is on my list of shit i need to play though. I've only ever played traveller powered by GURPS funny enough, had a blast with it.

But the systems we are familiar with:

D&D, Savage Worlds, Fuzion/Interlock (From the Witcher PnP), Genesys, and d100 Warhammer 40k

Quote from: Ocule on February 05, 2022, 02:11:38 PM
I should mention that another player just came to me and begged me not to make him learn any new systems. Which pretty much rules out like 90% of these options Traveller is on my list of shit i need to play though. I've only ever played traveller powered by GURPS funny enough, had a blast with it.

But the systems we are familiar with:

D&D, Savage Worlds, Fuzion/Interlock (From the Witcher PnP), Genesys, and d100 Warhammer 40k

I'll throw in for Interface Zero 3.0 too if you're not going with Red. I would have run it more than just a couple of times for two people by now if the PoD didn't keep getting yanked 'cos the writers are still polishing it. I wouldn't run LL2090 if my life depended on it after reading the book - even though my group would love to see a d20 Shadowrun, I'm never going to run that for them ever. Shadowrun belongs with the d6 forever!

Quote from: Dropbear on February 05, 2022, 02:23:57 PM

Quote from: Ocule on February 05, 2022, 02:11:38 PM
I should mention that another player just came to me and begged me not to make him learn any new systems. Which pretty much rules out like 90% of these options Traveller is on my list of shit i need to play though. I've only ever played traveller powered by GURPS funny enough, had a blast with it.

But the systems we are familiar with:

D&D, Savage Worlds, Fuzion/Interlock (From the Witcher PnP), Genesys, and d100 Warhammer 40k

How does red play? I mean i flipped through the book a few times but trying to get more anecdotal stories from people who might have similar tastes.

Same with interface zero i suppose my only hesitation is alot of 3rd party settings arent as good at game design as they like to think they are. Well that and like you said, IZ3 cant seem to finish the product

Quote from: Ocule on February 05, 2022, 02:45:25 PM

Quote from: Dropbear on February 05, 2022, 02:23:57 PM

Quote from: Ocule on February 05, 2022, 02:11:38 PM
I should mention that another player just came to me and begged me not to make him learn any new systems. Which pretty much rules out like 90% of these options Traveller is on my list of shit i need to play though. I've only ever played traveller powered by GURPS funny enough, had a blast with it.

But the systems we are familiar with:

D&D, Savage Worlds, Fuzion/Interlock (From the Witcher PnP), Genesys, and d100 Warhammer 40k

How does red play? I mean i flipped through the book a few times but trying to get more anecdotal stories from people who might have similar tastes.

Same with interface zero i suppose my only hesitation is alot of 3rd party settings arent as good at game design as they like to think they are. Well that and like you said, IZ3 cant seem to finish the product

For all my misgivings about Hit Points (which I renamed Vitality) and shotguns (which I replaced with somebody's house rules), it played very smoothly. My players weren't super fond of the economy as it is set up, which makes everyone depend on knowing a fixer ot a techie to get the more valuable and/or useful equipment, though. Which is a part of it that I liked, lol. "The street finds its own use for things" isn't a motto they wanted to live by.

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll on February 05, 2022, 01:11:19 AM

Quote from: Ocule on February 04, 2022, 09:53:28 PM
So far the choice will likely be between CP2020 and CPRed

Lowlife 2090 looks woke to me. I was gonna ask you what kind of cyber genre you were going for? And if you had read fiction already from a certain genre. I'm used to playing cybernetics the way it is shown in Star Wars. It looks like you're going the cyberpunk route, like in Blade Runner.

Lowlife 2090 isn't really woke. It's just not that great of a design. It tries to be a more OSR/5e hybrid but the game doesn't pull it off IMO. I really dislike the classes.

There is a Blade Runner rpg in the works by Free League, which might be out late 2022.

Quote from: Dropbear on February 05, 2022, 02:23:57 PM

Quote from: Ocule on February 05, 2022, 02:11:38 PM
I should mention that another player just came to me and begged me not to make him learn any new systems. Which pretty much rules out like 90% of these options Traveller is on my list of shit i need to play though. I've only ever played traveller powered by GURPS funny enough, had a blast with it.

But the systems we are familiar with:

D&D, Savage Worlds, Fuzion/Interlock (From the Witcher PnP), Genesys, and d100 Warhammer 40k

I'll throw in for Interface Zero 3.0 too if you're not going with Red. I would have run it more than just a couple of times for two people by now if the PoD didn't keep getting yanked 'cos the writers are still polishing it. I wouldn't run LL2090 if my life depended on it after reading the book - even though my group would love to see a d20 Shadowrun, I'm never going to run that for them ever. Shadowrun belongs with the d6 forever!

Shadowrun is done better by Sprawlrunners which uses Savage Worlds. Shadowrun has always had a bad dice system.

Quote from: RebelSky on February 05, 2022, 04:15:20 PM

Quote from: Dropbear on February 05, 2022, 02:23:57 PM

Quote from: Ocule on February 05, 2022, 02:11:38 PM
I should mention that another player just came to me and begged me not to make him learn any new systems. Which pretty much rules out like 90% of these options Traveller is on my list of shit i need to play though. I've only ever played traveller powered by GURPS funny enough, had a blast with it.

But the systems we are familiar with:

D&D, Savage Worlds, Fuzion/Interlock (From the Witcher PnP), Genesys, and d100 Warhammer 40k

I'll throw in for Interface Zero 3.0 too if you're not going with Red. I would have run it more than just a couple of times for two people by now if the PoD didn't keep getting yanked 'cos the writers are still polishing it. I wouldn't run LL2090 if my life depended on it after reading the book - even though my group would love to see a d20 Shadowrun, I'm never going to run that for them ever. Shadowrun belongs with the d6 forever!

Shadowrun is done better by Sprawlrunners which uses Savage Worlds. Shadowrun has always had a bad dice system.

Everyone's got their own bag. I don't really like Sprawlrunners that much after reading. The flavor isn't there for me.

Yeah sprawlrunners lost me with logistics points and implant points. LP work great if youre doing like a spec ops style mission to mission game where you work for an organization or military where you requisition gear rather than buy it and are generally expected to return it. It can work but I don't necessarily want to run that game. Implant Points tied to edges was the biggest downer for me. By tying cybernetics as trappings for edges it brought all your augmented and non augmented characters to the same level of effectiveness. An augmented character with 4 advances is going to perform about as well as a non augmented character with 4 advances. This basically makes cybernetics pointless and you're better off just using tech rather than replacing body parts, which has become a staple in the genre.

Most cyberware can be easily matched by someone with the right tech, but some cannot. You can have a hud, exoskeleton/frame, armor, webbing, power armor etc. Ware like artificial nervous system, neural interface, internal autodoc, and other similar things become much harder. Or even subtle things like subdermal armor, or titanium laced bones are hard to replicate. But someone without the tech to make up for it, and a cyborg should NOT be on equal footing.

Quote from: Ocule on February 05, 2022, 04:39:27 PMThis basically makes cybernetics pointless and you're better off just using tech rather than replacing body parts, which has become a staple in the genre.

Honestly, this is probably the case in real life too. Granted, high-end cyberimplants don't exist yet (they're sorta in the works), but I can't imagine a scenario where it would be better to poke your eye out and replace it with an infrared camera, vs just getting some infrared goggles to begin with. Same with cyberarms/legs vs simply using an exoskeleton frame.

Unless you lost a limb or an eyeball or something, there's no reason to have an actual implant vs just getting the tech. Even smartlinks and links for netrunning could probably just be done with a headset without the need for putting chips in your brain.

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Lowlife 2090 looks woke to me. I was gonna ask you what kind of cyber genre you were going for? And if you had read fiction already from a certain genre. I'm used to playing cybernetics the way it is shown in Star Wars. It looks like you're going the cyberpunk route, like in Blade Runner.

There is literally NOTHING woke in LowLife 2090.  I know the author and he is on a Discord channel for a YouTube game review channel that I'm on and he is an amazingly awesome guy. 

LowLife 2090 is simply the best game mentioned in this thread and I own I think every single one mentioned herein.

Quote from: Batjon on February 05, 2022, 05:59:47 PM

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Lowlife 2090 looks woke to me. I was gonna ask you what kind of cyber genre you were going for? And if you had read fiction already from a certain genre. I'm used to playing cybernetics the way it is shown in Star Wars. It looks like you're going the cyberpunk route, like in Blade Runner.

There is literally NOTHING woke in LowLife 2090.  I know the author and he is on a Discord channel for a YouTube game review channel that I'm on and he is an amazingly awesome guy. 

LowLife 2090 is simply the best game mentioned in this thread and I own I think every single one mentioned herein.

Good to know, though the art does seem a bit cartoony for what it's going for at least from what is. I dont have enough data left to watch the author, what's good about Lowlife 2090?