Quote from: jspenson on January 21, 2025, 06:31:24 PMisin't that more of an individual case.

No it fucking isn't.

Quote from: jspenson on January 21, 2025, 06:31:24 PMisin't that more of an individual case and not a pattern like you'd have to prove somehow that that's because of wokeness

No, and I smell a sock puppet account....

Hi guys,

this time I'd like to have your opinion about Torchbearer from Burningwheel. The reason I'm interested in this game is I'm looking for a pseudo-OSR-like dungeon crawler with old fashioned arts. I saw this game could be the good one, and it will be available in my mother tongue this year, so I may give it a try.

Obviously, I was disappointed to see it in the redlist, but also surprised not to find here any description of actual content from the game itself possibly owning its place.

Thence my question: do you know this game, what is your general feeling about it, and of course, could you point me actual woke/anti-consumer content from the book itself?

Subsidiary comment: don't you think making a list based on game lines rather than companies, would allow a better granularity and increased relevance for consumers? For instance, if I was unable to see any wokeness in The One Ring yet, I cannot avoid being negatively triggered when reading Forbidden Lands, and I don't think it is only due to my own and unfounded conservative bias (though it plays a role ofc). Meanwhile, both games are from Free League, often told to deserve its place in the greenlist. I don't think FL would merit a place in the redlist in itself, but, I'm just wondering about the relevance of a company-based list. 

Quote from: Phil on Today at 04:25:48 AMHi guys,

this time I'd like to have your opinion about Torchbearer from Burningwheel. The reason I'm interested in this game is I'm looking for a pseudo-OSR-like dungeon crawler with old fashioned arts. I saw this game could be the good one, and it will be available in my mother tongue this year, so I may give it a try.

Obviously, I was disappointed to see it in the redlist, but also surprised not to find here any description of actual content from the game itself possibly owning its place.

Thence my question: do you know this game, what is your general feeling about it, and of course, could you point me actual woke/anti-consumer content from the book itself?

Subsidiary comment: don't you think making a list based on game lines rather than companies, would allow a better granularity and increased relevance for consumers? For instance, if I was unable to see any wokeness in The One Ring yet, I cannot avoid being negatively triggered when reading Forbidden Lands, and I don't think it is only due to my own and unfounded conservative bias (though it plays a role ofc). Meanwhile, both games are from Free League, often told to deserve its place in the greenlist. I don't think FL would merit a place in the redlist in itself, but, I'm just wondering about the relevance of a company-based list. 

As a conservative myself (I really burn all the deranged left by being a straight White Catholic male who is a father of multiple children with a stay at home wife) avoid any company on the red list and did so for the most part before seeing this list. Most of the yellow is already on the no buy list. As is the gamers for Harris list which had some boardgame companies I was interested in.

As for Free League, I own everything for TOR & FL. I can see why the issue with FL, but TOR I have no problem as I have not run into any issues in it (yet), and it is one of my favourite games.

So, TLDR I can see some system by system choice merit, for companies on the yellow.

Quote from: Phil on Today at 04:25:48 AMSubsidiary comment: don't you think making a list based on game lines rather than companies, would allow a better granularity and increased relevance for consumers? For instance, if I was unable to see any wokeness in The One Ring yet, I cannot avoid being negatively triggered when reading Forbidden Lands, and I don't think it is only due to my own and unfounded conservative bias (though it plays a role ofc). Meanwhile, both games are from Free League, often told to deserve its place in the greenlist. I don't think FL would merit a place in the redlist in itself, but, I'm just wondering about the relevance of a company-based list. 

The idea of a company based list is that some of us would rather not support companies that engage in anti-consumer behavior at all. Often, that behavior happens outside of any product -- at conventions, in interviews, on social media, etc.

For us, it's not alone about whether the product in-hand is woke, it's also about whether or not my hard-earned money is going toward creating more woke.