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D&DN: Ever had something like this happen to you?

Started by beejazz, July 06, 2012, 11:29:26 AM

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beejazz

July 06, 2012, 11:29:26 AM
Looks like D&D Next is using the action economy I thought up a few years ago on theCBG in a previous stab at the core of my homebrew system. I doubt they're going around picking up homebrew shit from tiny boards in the corners of the internet, but IIRC they picked up the Shadowfell in the same place.

http://community.wizards.com/dndnext/blog/2012/06/22/reacting_to_the_reaction

Here's the core system as of this past Febuary (I'm pretty sure the action economy came from the pre-d20 iteration, back when I was using a different core mechanic):

http://www.thecbg.org/index.php/topic,209545.0.html

I'm pretty certain they'll lump in AoOs, not sure if they'll keep the trade down rule, and I'm almost certain they'll stick with passive AC. So it might not be the same system entirely.

Still not sure what to think when stuff like this happens.

One Horse Town

#1
July 06, 2012, 12:02:06 PM
All the time, mate.

I've been tinkering with 'Advantage' for months before i heard it mentioned for 5e, shit even some stuff from 13th Age seems to be startlingly similar to stuff i've been working on.

jadrax

#2
July 06, 2012, 12:18:49 PM
Yep, I had a whole Advantage based fencing system that sounds very similar to what Honor + Intrigue has done (I have not read it) and now also looks similar to D&DN.

And I also had one super secret project that I was just about to start serious working on after two years of setup when someone announced the exact same project and then someone else stole what I was going to call it as well.

Benoist

#3
July 06, 2012, 12:18:49 PM
Yeah me too! Posted about a few instances of those some time ago on the board. Happened again recently as I was tinkering with the playtest rules for Next. I learned they were working on a fighting maneuvers module the day after I sent an email throwing a few ideas into the pond to that effect.

And it's not just rules, mind you. I came up with a group of evil Roman Mages for my Paris by Night some 20 years ago, for instance, only to find find the very same name (the Mercurialis Circus) and group description in the Book of Nod when it was published! The only difference was that they had not given up their souls to infernal powers as in PbN. LOL

Bobloblah

#4
July 06, 2012, 12:27:57 PM
Quote from: beejazz;557155Still not sure what to think when stuff like this happens.

Be flattered?
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Benoist

#5
July 06, 2012, 12:32:02 PM
It's understandable for this to happen, since we're all reading and playing the same stuff, getting inspired from very close sources and so on. It's pretty cool when that happens IMO.

thedungeondelver

#6
July 06, 2012, 12:37:27 PM
Ask me about my Higgs-Boson equations I worked out when I was in grade-school.

Mother-grabbing bastards!
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beejazz

#7
July 06, 2012, 12:39:23 PM
Quote from: Bobloblah;557178Be flattered?

Heh, I think I might just stick with "I must be on to something." It's a little better than when I wrote up zone based movement rules and then found out they were fucking everywhere (including Japanese games well before my own work). At least this time I'm pretty sure I'm a little closer to being first (cue links to three games that already do this).

But yeah, it's kind of a natural extension of having AoOs and interrupts and stuff. If you're codifying actions anyway, and you want to limit out of turn stuff to speed things up, it's a sensible solution. I would not be surprised if I wasn't even first on this one.

Marleycat

#8
July 06, 2012, 12:46:15 PM
Sounds like convergence of design if something is good and the goal is to speed up combat while still giving players some tactical choice points it's a near certainty that imiliar ideas will occur to more than one person.
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LordVreeg

#9
July 06, 2012, 12:49:31 PM
Beejazz...

Yeah.  Hard to deal with, but it happens all the time.  I can't even count.  Some CBG stuff, some from other boards, but it is a smaller pond than people think.
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Bobloblah

#10
July 06, 2012, 12:54:44 PM
Quote from: beejazz;557189Heh, I think I might just stick with "I must be on to something." It's a little better than when I wrote up zone based movement rules and then found out they were fucking everywhere (including Japanese games well before my own work). At least this time I'm pretty sure I'm a little closer to being first (cue links to three games that already do this).

But yeah, it's kind of a natural extension of having AoOs and interrupts and stuff. If you're codifying actions anyway, and you want to limit out of turn stuff to speed things up, it's a sensible solution. I would not be surprised if I wasn't even first on this one.
Yeah, I love your zone stuff, by the way; yours was the first implementation of it I'd read in this context. I immediately grabbed it as a house rule, and am using it as the default in my own build of "D&D for me" (otherwise known as a Fantasy Heartbreaker).
Best,
Bobloblah

Asking questions about the fictional game space and receiving feedback that directly guides the flow of play IS the game. - Exploderwizard

beejazz

#11
July 06, 2012, 01:02:54 PM
Quote from: Bobloblah;557200Yeah, I love your zone stuff, by the way; yours was the first implementation of it I'd read in this context. I immediately grabbed it as a house rule, and am using it as the default in my own build of "D&D for me" (otherwise known as a Fantasy Heartbreaker).

Well, now I'm flattered. Always good to find out something you made sees actual play.

talysman

#12
July 06, 2012, 01:15:05 PM
Well, I did post a backgrounds system on the old Microlite20 forums years ago, and later on my blog. It was more freeform than what I hear described for the 5e system, but at one point I did give examples on how to describe the abilities of completely made-up professions and cultures by picking 3 to 5 specific skill sets. Of course, my backgrounds didn't provide hard bonuses, but acted more like an advantage system.

I'm not seriously bothered by convergence or even inspiration, but I do worry when a large, litigation-happy borrows something, because you just know they won't be as easy-going as any of us.

Novastar

#13
July 06, 2012, 01:22:52 PM
When SWSE came out, I sent a couple of e-mails to Rodney & Gary, asking when my check for writing the space combat section was coming (I had a mega-thread on the old boards, detailing how'd I change starship combat in the OCR/RCR ruleset).

It wasn't a perfect lift, but I got a number of PM's from the community asking me if I DID write it...
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Melan

#14
July 06, 2012, 01:38:46 PM
Quote from: Benoist;557182It's understandable for this to happen, since we're all reading and playing the same stuff, getting inspired from very close sources and so on. It's pretty cool when that happens IMO.
This also implies something else, though: look beyond the usual boundaries. Or as Greg Costykian put it to video game designers,
QuoteDon’t be a vidiot!  If your sole experience of games derives from the arcade, the console, and the home PC...You will see only what exists in the here and now...Your palette of techniques, your grasp of the possible, will be limited.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;557187Ask me about my Higgs-Boson equations I worked out when I was in grade-school.

Mother-grabbing bastards!
Heh.

(Also, as we can see from all the Internet drama, they are Comic Sans-using bastards. Yep, that's right! Someone ought to take back those medals. ;))
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