Quote from: jgants;225862When Pundit talks about inserting philosophies with regard to Green Ronin, just assume he's always talking about his nemesis, Blue Rose.

But Kenson didn't write the fluff for BR -- that was Snead.

QuoteAs for M&M philosophies, I agree their really aren't any.  Though I do have one pet peeve - I strongly disagree with the way they combined 80's style comics with 90's style comics under the umbrella heading of "Iron Age" comics.  There was a huge stylistic difference between the two eras.  It's a crime to lump in all the excellent writing and art of the era with the hack work being produced in the 90's (I say we call that the "Liefeld Age" and be done with it).

I also would like to see more differentiation between Bronze Age and Iron Age comics in the fluff, although in practice it really doesn't affect the way I play the game.

And a thousand lashes for you for mentioning The Defiler's name...

KoOS

He's just sore that he may/may not have been kicked off their boards by a woman.

Quote from: Dan Bell;225590Sure thing Claudius, off the top of my head:

Quote1) The map of the "Inn at the Crossroads" (run by a sourleaf chewing Masha Heedle) does not match the description of the same inn in GRRM's books. One example of this is that there is no belltower room were Tyrion stays with Shae in AGOT in the map. Another is that there is a description in AFFC that tells how the inn has changed over the years, the GR map doesn't match this.

I'm ashamed :blush:. I always considered myself a big ASOIAF fan, but I can't remember, it must be my job, it uses all of my nerve cells. I'll have a look at the books (or maybe it's time for a reread, before A Dance with Dragons is finished).

Quote2) One of the pre-gens is listed as a Septa when her lordly husband died only 4 months ago. Seems quick to go from lady to widow to nun. This same PC has a mace, shield and crossbow, which the books have never showed septas using weapons. In AFFC you learn that religious fighting orders are banned from the reign of King Jaehaerys I Targaryen until Cercei caves into the High Septon's demand.

I don't have a problem with a recent widow becoming a septa in such a short time, it might happen, but you're right about the weapons, it doesn't make sense. You're spot on regarding the banning of religious fighting orders. Besides, an armed woman in Westeros is the exception, rather than the rule. If a woman in Westeros knows how to use a weapon, that must be a big part of her background.

Quote3) The bastard PC should not be named "Rivers" only noble bastards have this surname and the character's background says that his noble bastard status is not known to the others.

That's the impression I got from the books too. I admit I don't remember where I read it, but I'd swear that only bastards of noble ascendancy have bastard surnames, who cares about the rest?

Quote1) That the 4 bandits need 6 huge (9 feet by 12 feet) tents in their camp.

It's true! :duh:

Quote2) That the intro history section reveals that Aerys plotted to burn King's Landing. Only Jamie's character knows this until ASOS. Even in AFFC it is not commonly known.

It bugged me too. That's a too big spoiler, I'd have avoided mentioning it.

QuoteHope that helps.

Sure

On the one hand, if you've read the novels, well, it's not so bad that some of the fluff is wrong, as long as the rules don't contradict the spirit of the novels, but I admit it's a little worrisome.

Well, I resurrect this thread to comment that Green Ronin has posted two new entries in its design blog, one about noble houses and another about weapons.

Noble houses. I'm very excited about this. I'd love to have a game where noble houses are central to the setting (and supported with rules, not just GM handwave), like Birthright, or Pendragon + Lordly Domains. I hope I'll like the rules more than I liked the ones of Reign

Weapons. The rules for weapons remind me of the ones of Warhammer 2nd, wherein certain weapons have advantages and disadvantages. Another plus for me. I admit that not rolling for damage is sort of a deal breaker for me, but, well, I hope there won't be more things I don't like.

I'll admit that my balls are tight with excitement over this. I only read the first book though. Not because I didn't like it, but because they upped my painkillers around that time and suddenly I couldn't read anything that required serious concentration (like, I can read a page in an RPG book, but something simple like Harry Potter or Conan eludes me. But my brother is all about them and always tells me what's going on and stuff.

Two questions:

(1) Are there monsters in the setting (I only remember those things from beyond the wall, the frost dudes)?

(2) Is there magic?

-=Grim=-

Quote from: GrimJesta;234450Two questions:

(1) Are there monsters in the setting (I only remember those things from beyond the wall, the frost dudes)?

(2) Is there magic?

-=Grim=-

1) Yes, but they're very rare.  There's Dany's dragons, the zombies from the north, & some giants.

2) Yes, but even rarer than monsters.  The only real instances I can think of are the Red Priest powers.

Quote from: GrimJesta;234450I'll admit that my balls are tight with excitement over this.

You're not the only one.

QuoteTwo questions:

(1) Are there monsters in the setting (I only remember those things from beyond the wall, the frost dudes)?

(2) Is there magic?

Completing what jadarx already said:

1. Add the Others to that, and maybe, maybe, prehistoric animals (such as aurochs, direwolves and mammoths)

2. Besides the red priests, Melisandre of Asshai and Thoros of Myr (who even didn't expect his prayers would work!!), add to the list of magic users the Maegi, the wargs, and maybe, maybe, the Faceless Men.

See, I actually like that a lot. It's why I liked Wheel of Time in the very beginning (before Jordan started prattling on about shit that should have taken a paragraph to explain, not three chapters, or how men are worms in the shadows of women and shit). I dig settings where magic is rare and wondrous/terrible and monsters are the thing of legends (Trollocs from WoT and Orcs in Tolkien were more like races than monsters to me).

-=Grim=-

The books explicitly state that magic and monsters are returning after centuries of slow dwindling. The comet, the Others/undead, the giants, Melisandre, the Faceless and the magic of Thoros are all good examples. At one point someone observes that the rope tricks performed in the marketplace were simple mummery a year ago. Now the fakir actually disappears.

It's all keyed to the hatching of the dragons. Their return seems to herald a new age for the world, one that may be as magically rich as earlier, more legendary epochs.

Quote from: Drew;234550The books explicitly state that magic and monsters are returning after centuries of slow dwindling. The comet, the Others/undead, the giants, Melisandre, the Faceless and the magic of Thoros are all good examples. At one point someone observes that the rope tricks performed in the marketplace were simple mummery a year ago. Now the fakir actually disappears.

It's all keyed to the hatching of the dragons. Their return seems to herald a new age for the world, one that may be as magically rich as earlier, more legendary epochs.

Yeah, I got all that too. I actually thought GRRM handled it in a slightly hamfisted way.

Quote from: Aos;235290Yeah, I got all that too. I actually thought GRRM handled it in a slightly hamfisted way.

I really liked it. I found it slow enough and subtle enough not to undermine the more historically grounded aspects of the story.

Plus Melisandre's shadow-birthing magic is fucking awesome. She'll definitely be appearing as an Infernal Pact Warlock in my 4E game.

Quote from: Drew;234550The books explicitly state that magic and monsters are returning after centuries of slow dwindling. The comet, the Others/undead, the giants, Melisandre, the Faceless and the magic of Thoros are all good examples. At one point someone observes that the rope tricks performed in the marketplace were simple mummery a year ago. Now the fakir actually disappears.

It's all keyed to the hatching of the dragons. Their return seems to herald a new age for the world, one that may be as magically rich as earlier, more legendary epochs.

Even so, I'd say magic in Westeros is very mysterious, so much, that I would find it very hard to put it into gaming terms.

And yes, I agree that the hatching of the dragons is the reason. But maybe not, because the seasons in Westeros have always been very strange, even when there were no dragons.