Quote from: Steven Mitchell on November 08, 2021, 06:44:51 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on November 08, 2021, 02:21:23 PM
I'm... not sure I grok where you're going with that. Are you referring to the well-known issue of SJWs not actually playing games, just bitching about them?

Yes, and to their attitudes about "tools" in general.  They don't work.  They don't make anything.  They barely use their imaginations in any meaningful way.  Why would they care if their tools are crap?

OK, I dunno if I hadn't had enough caffeine or not but now it's clear. Thanks

But you're absolutely right. Wokeists exist solely to piss in other people's cookpots.

Quote from: Sanson on November 07, 2021, 09:53:24 PM
Well from the likes of Jacobin magazine, i suppose that level of idiocy is to be expected. 

Yup.

Quote from: Shasarak on November 08, 2021, 10:48:38 PM
Dragons that hoard wealth are Evil.

They should be putting that capital to work.

Um, they do put all that gold to work. Ever go fishing? A dragon's hoard attracts food in the form of adventurers.

Quote from: Sanson on November 07, 2021, 09:53:24 PM
Well from the likes of Jacobin magazine, i suppose that level of idiocy is to be expected. ....

"The Jacobins, was the most influential political club during the French Revolution of 1789. The period of its political ascendancy includes the Reign of Terror..."

Talk about throwing it in our faces...

These guys just can't help themselves, can they!?

Quote from: DragonBane on November 08, 2021, 07:22:27 PM
They will get their way. Unless they can paint dragons as "evil capitalists exploiting the weak." Well, probably dragons will need to be destroyed so a commie utopia can be achieved.
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All the evils laid at the feet of "Capitalism" are universal human failings. They are just as prevalent, and in some cases even more so, in every other economic system.

The critiques aimed at Capitalism attack it as if it was a failed value system. But it is only an economic ideal under which you will succeed by your own merits, and you get to keep what you earn. That's it.

It is an ideal that presupposes that the cultures which engage in Capitalism as an economic policy will have/make the necessary morality/laws in place to make it work. As it is an ideal based on the pre-existing moral concepts of fairness and merit.

Whereas Socialism, with its underling conflict theory justifications, presents itself as an economic and moral value system all rolled into one. One who's goal is equality of outcome, irregardless of any silly bourgeoise notions like merit or fairness.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on November 09, 2021, 08:07:54 AM

Quote from: Steven Mitchell on November 08, 2021, 06:44:51 PM
Yes, and to their attitudes about "tools" in general.  They don't work.  They don't make anything.  They barely use their imaginations in any meaningful way.  Why would they care if their tools are crap?

OK, I dunno if I hadn't had enough caffeine or not but now it's clear. Thanks

But you're absolutely right. Wokeists exist solely to piss in other people's cookpots.

Yes, when we say: "Go woke, go broke."

They say: "Your terms are acceptable."

We need to remember that the destruction of the institutions or businesses they have infiltrated, converged, and seek to control is a victory condition for them.

Ideally they would love to ride the desiccated husks of these companies through a series of endless bailouts and corporate refinancing as platforms to spread the narrative and subvert once beloved properties. But burning it all to ashes so that no one else can have it is an acceptable alternative.

They are literally the Vampires from the movie Lost Boys: "They may explode, they may implode, but they will always try to take you down with them."

QuoteThere would be no RPGs without capitalism. From the get go, Gygax built D&D to sell. If it weren't for capitalism, D&D would have probably never left Arneson's basement.

Now the question is also - would there be RPG's without Gygax?

QuoteIt goes even further. Without capitalism, there would never have been a Lord of the Rings for Gygax to rip off.

But Legendarium would exist anyway. And fantasy, sci-fi were written also outside of capitalist countries.

QuoteDragons that hoard wealth are Evil.

They should be putting that capital to work.

When you pursue proper standard of gold, instead of evil immoral inflation based paper money - then hoarding wealth is in fact very good investment.

QuoteAnyway, whenever someone says they hate Capitalism, they are, by proxy, saying that you shouldn't be able to go downtown and buy a cup of coffee.

As long as coffee shop is owned by cooperative of all active workers of given shop, I think any communist will be fine

QuoteSo, according to Tolkien, my AD&D2e wizard is a Dragon? 

Evil Dragon.

Quote from: Jaeger on November 09, 2021, 01:22:35 PM


Yes, when we say: "Go woke, go broke."

They say: "Your terms are acceptable."

We need to remember that the destruction of the institutions or businesses they have infiltrated, converged, and seek to control is a victory condition for them.

Ideally they would love to ride the desiccated husks of these companies through a series of endless bailouts and corporate refinancing as platforms to spread the narrative and subvert once beloved properties. But burning it all to ashes so that no one else can have it is an acceptable alternative.

They are literally the Vampires from the movie Lost Boys: "They may explode, they may implode, but they will always try to take you down with them."

Very true. Which is why we have to keep subverting their language, disrupting their actions, and using all their tactics against them; while at the same doing the one thing that they can't: producing quality content.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on November 07, 2021, 09:58:14 PM
No, no, Pundit, you're obviously wrong, just look at all the marvelous and fun RPGs that came out of the USSR prior to 1988, all the wondrously creative RPGs we're getting from North Corea, China and Cuba!

You're obviously wrong and need to be re-educated!

Communist dictatorships are known for their hardcore LARPing, if you die in the game you die in real life!

Emperors and Kings are known for sending "tax collectors" to collect a "100% wealth tax" from the dragon's hoard, if they have to kill the dragon to get it, so be it!

Yes D&D would be so much more fun if we played characters that sat around on UBI and occasionally picked up a shift at the local coffee shop to get a little extra spending money.  We can pretend to sit around and gossip about our coworkers and friends and generally be miserable and bitchy.

D&D adventurers in the sense of going to unexplored or wild regions in order to make a fortune and bring peace and stablity are the entrepreneurial and pioneering spirit.  It makes these fucks upset because it makes them feel lazy and worthless -- because they are.

Quote from: KingCheops on November 10, 2021, 10:04:40 AM
Yes D&D would be so much more fun if we played characters that sat around on UBI and occasionally picked up a shift at the local coffee shop to get a little extra spending money.  We can pretend to sit around and gossip about our coworkers and friends and generally be miserable and bitchy.

D&D adventurers in the sense of going to unexplored or wild regions in order to make a fortune and bring peace and stablity are the entrepreneurial and pioneering spirit.  It makes these fucks upset because it makes them feel lazy and worthless -- because they are.

Even those PCs who are not of a materialistic bent are usually heroic types (think well played paladins and clerics).

The Book of Exalted Deeds, while still a 3.5E book, talks in great detail about heroism and doing good, and I can't help but wonder if that sticks in their craw a bit.

Hey, any Yugoslavians (former) here? I've got one dude on Youtube comments insisting that in Communist Yugoslavia it was a paradise where you could get all the latest pop culture from the USA and you could get anything published.

Quote from: RPGPundit on November 10, 2021, 08:10:22 PM
Hey, any Yugoslavians (former) here? I've got one dude on Youtube comments insisting that in Communist Yugoslavia it was a paradise where you could get all the latest pop culture from the USA and you could get anything published.

In the black market? If you were part of the party elites? If you worked in customs and got to confiscate all the goodies and keep them if you didn't get caught?

QuoteHey, any Yugoslavians (former) here? I've got one dude on Youtube comments insisting that in Communist Yugoslavia it was a paradise where you could get all the latest pop culture from the USA and you could get anything published.

Not sure about how formally legal was all this shit, but indeed Yugoslavia - creature independent from Warsaw Pact rule, had opinion of having wide access to Western Goods. I'd call it more grey market than black.
Now of course question is how fast such fashions as RPGs spread there, it's not only matter of communism, but also simply cultural osmosis in countries that does not use English commonly. It would be good to check when first non-English editions of D&D were produced.

In Poland for instance fandom started to organize itself seriously somehow in early 80's after martial law, RPG's started to be promoted I believe around 1993.
So here communism was clearly some hindrace, but question is also what about non-communist countries far from US cultural influence. What about countries that stayed somehow communist after 1990 - Vietnam, China, Belarus, Central Asian post USSR countries, and so on.

Quote from: RPGPundit on November 10, 2021, 08:10:22 PM
Hey, any Yugoslavians (former) here? I've got one dude on Youtube comments insisting that in Communist Yugoslavia it was a paradise where you could get all the latest pop culture from the USA and you could get anything published.

I don't think it was a paradise - but apparently many current citizens consider that things were better in Communist Yugoslavia than the modern-day capitalist states. Unlike some post-communist changeovers, the average income has gone down in the former Yugoslavian countries since the break-up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugo-nostalgia
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/future-development/2015/06/30/were-bosnias-good-ol-days-really-that-good/
https://www.obserwatorfinansowy.pl/in-english/macroeconomics/between-wealth-and-poverty-former-yugoslavia-25-years-after-the-breakup/

Quote from: jhkim on November 10, 2021, 09:42:35 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on November 10, 2021, 08:10:22 PM
Hey, any Yugoslavians (former) here? I've got one dude on Youtube comments insisting that in Communist Yugoslavia it was a paradise where you could get all the latest pop culture from the USA and you could get anything published.

I don't think it was a paradise - but apparently many current citizens consider that things were better in Communist Yugoslavia than the modern-day capitalist states. Unlike some post-communist changeovers, the average income has gone down in the former Yugoslavian countries since the break-up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugo-nostalgia
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/future-development/2015/06/30/were-bosnias-good-ol-days-really-that-good/
https://www.obserwatorfinansowy.pl/in-english/macroeconomics/between-wealth-and-poverty-former-yugoslavia-25-years-after-the-breakup/

Well, that was predictable.....