Quote from: Monero on September 01, 2022, 04:00:35 PM
I just got banned from rpg.net for pushing back on the idea that racial bonuses are in any way shape or form "racist". You have to either accept their ideological nonsense or else. They can't function without being shielded from any and all forms of criticism or alternative thought processes.

I hate where gaming and society in general is drifting towards and I fear it's going to get much worse before it gets any better.

Yes, it's all crazy and sad.  Wear your RPG.net Ban Badge with Pride.

Quote from: Monero on September 01, 2022, 04:00:35 PM
I just got banned from rpg.net for pushing back on the idea that racial bonuses are in any way shape or form "racist". You have to either accept their ideological nonsense or else. They can't function without being shielded from any and all forms of criticism or alternative thought processes.

I hate where gaming and society in general is drifting towards and I fear it's going to get much worse before it gets any better.

Who hasn't been banned from that site?   I got in trouble for being critical of my own religion, then twice more for asking people to stay on topic and talk about the game/subject instead of the book's author, RPG Pundit himself if you are curious.   Man, they really don't like him on that site.  I just wanted to talk games and their features, but they just wanted to steer people clear from buying his products. 

Quote from: Monero on September 01, 2022, 04:00:35 PM
I just got banned from rpg.net for pushing back on the idea that racial bonuses are in any way shape or form "racist". You have to either accept their ideological nonsense or else. They can't function without being shielded from any and all forms of criticism or alternative thought processes.

I hate where gaming and society in general is drifting towards and I fear it's going to get much worse before it gets any better.

That is ok. Over on BGG we had some kooks in the RPG forums, such as they are, declare that dwarves liking beer was... racist. No... really.

Quote from: Omega on September 02, 2022, 09:25:32 AM

Quote from: Monero on September 01, 2022, 04:00:35 PM
I just got banned from rpg.net for pushing back on the idea that racial bonuses are in any way shape or form "racist". You have to either accept their ideological nonsense or else. They can't function without being shielded from any and all forms of criticism or alternative thought processes.

I hate where gaming and society in general is drifting towards and I fear it's going to get much worse before it gets any better.

That is ok. Over on BGG we had some kooks in the RPG forums, such as they are, declare that dwarves liking beer was... racist. No... really.

I've seen people claim dwarves resemble (hypothetical) Nazi propaganda caricaturing Irish Jews. https://alexraizman679957007.wordpress.com/2020/07/12/fantastic-diversity-the-fantasy-genres-unfortunate-implications/

QuoteIt's an ongoing joke in my Dungeons and Dragons groups that I hate (fantasy) dwarves. The joke has its origins in the fact that, when I run Dungeons and Dragons, I almost never utilize dwarves in my world, and I refuse to play them. Oh, and it's also because whenever pressed on either of those, I'd flat out state it's because I hated the fantasy depiction of dwarves. I never could put a pin on why, but the presence of stereotypical dwarves always hurt my enjoyment of a fantasy book or game or whatever.

My mother is Irish. My dad is Jewish. It is literally just now, as I'm writing this post, that I realized that I have disliked fantasy dwarves for decades because they were a racist amalgamation of the worst stereotypes of both halves of my ancestry. I didn't hate dwarves, I was offended by them, but because I hadn't thought critically about them I wasn't even aware of it.

Quote from: weirdguy564 on September 02, 2022, 09:21:15 AM
Who hasn't been banned from that site?   

People like me that gave up on it in disgust before a ban could be applied.  Mind, some of the things that got push back from other posters when I was there would get you banned now.  Heck, some of the "too be fair" mild support I got on points before, would get the supporters banned now, not to mention the thread torched, and warnings handed out like candy. 

When the inmates first start running the asylum, there is a period where they kind of cargo cult the way it was before, with a patina of fairness and reason. 

Ideas as dumb as the woke racists designs do not appear out of thin air.  There is a long pedigree of anti-intellectual development that has to be nurtured first.  Critical to its development is squashing anyone that points out the lack of clothes vis-a-vis the emperor.

Quote from: Steven Mitchell on September 02, 2022, 10:53:10 AM

Quote from: weirdguy564 on September 02, 2022, 09:21:15 AM
Who hasn't been banned from that site?   

People like me that gave up on it in disgust before a ban could be applied.

Same with me. I left long before the Bad Orange Man melted their brains and would probably need to dig out an old laptop and see if it still works to even find my name/password.

There's nothing there worth saving and hasn't been for a long time.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on September 02, 2022, 09:53:13 AM
I've seen people claim dwarves resemble (hypothetical) Nazi propaganda caricaturing Irish Jews. https://alexraizman679957007.wordpress.com/2020/07/12/fantastic-diversity-the-fantasy-genres-unfortunate-implications/

QuoteIt's an ongoing joke in my Dungeons and Dragons groups that I hate (fantasy) dwarves. The joke has its origins in the fact that, when I run Dungeons and Dragons, I almost never utilize dwarves in my world, and I refuse to play them. Oh, and it's also because whenever pressed on either of those, I'd flat out state it's because I hated the fantasy depiction of dwarves. I never could put a pin on why, but the presence of stereotypical dwarves always hurt my enjoyment of a fantasy book or game or whatever.

My mother is Irish. My dad is Jewish. It is literally just now, as I'm writing this post, that I realized that I have disliked fantasy dwarves for decades because they were a racist amalgamation of the worst stereotypes of both halves of my ancestry. I didn't hate dwarves, I was offended by them, but because I hadn't thought critically about them I wasn't even aware of it.

Insane people saying insane things.

Dwarves may be depicted as one-note stereotypes most of the time (like most fantasy races besides humans), and are coded with a mix of racial stereotypes that are either self-evident (Scottish/Irish accents plus heavy drinking) or admitted by the writer (Tolkien literally said they're inspired by Jews), but they're still portrayed as key members of the good/light/pretty races. They're never portrayed as subhuman scum. They're poster children for "diversity is our strength" campaigns.

Quote from: Corolinth on September 01, 2022, 03:32:29 PM
Next is the concept of morality. The wokists have a morality, it's just a very different morality. And yet, in some ways, it's very similar. This shouldn't be surprising, because wokism arose in a Judeo-Christian society. Coming from an outsider (that is: nonreligious) perspective, the concept of white privilege is very similar to the concept of original sin.

Wokism, like Social Justice can ONLY be born in a Judeo-Christian society.  Tha'ts because it's designed to be a replacement for Christianity, or a way to infiltrate Christianity and destroy it from the inside.  Social Justice began in South America, planted by the Soviet Union, because they realized that Catholicism is the biggest threat to them.  It's intent is to be a godless religion with government as its god.

Deleted. It was off topic.

Stolen from a mutual on the Twatter.

A gamer when seeing a monkey in clothes: "What are this things ability score modifiers and does it get special abilities?"

A "anti-racist" when seeing a monkey in clothes: "Is that a black person?!? I'm outraged that you're racism makes me see monkeys as black people".

https://twitter.com/GrumpyCatterman/status/1566040455351046144

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on September 01, 2022, 03:18:03 PM
It turns out the happy elf slave bit comes from older editions, actually. False alarm.

They were never described as slaves of the elves, in this or any other edition. In 2e they were described as an independent race of space-faring explorers, and its mentioned that they would often travel with elves, who they greatly admire, though elves consider them their inferiors. They are not slaves to elves, just often work on elven ships.

In 5e, the "slavery" analogy comes from how they were supposedly created by "a wizard" who wanted to make them into warrior-slaves, but another (presumably 'white savior') wizard freed them.

And to answer another earlier point in the thread: wokists seeing everything as secretly racist dog-whistles is not proof that they understand metaphor, it is proof that they are incapable of understanding metaphor.

I wonder if WotC actually have any stats to backup this agenda they are pushing.
I know they have a high proportion of their staff that are progressive, but I wonder what section of their customer bases is as well. Considering that I have seen that only 7% of the general population are, I find it difficult to see that it can be the majority or even a large minority.

Quote from: RPGPundit on September 04, 2022, 08:59:52 PM
And to answer another earlier point in the thread: wokists seeing everything as secretly racist dog-whistles is not proof that they understand metaphor, it is proof that they are incapable of understanding metaphor.

Correct!
They understand ALLEGORY very well... they suck at metaphor.