So in my latest video I point out how D&D Twitter is a garbage-filled wasteland of noise over signal. I blame 5e fans and tumblrinas for this, and suggest an alternative.
[video=youtube_share;2FlZ4gRcxEs]https://youtu.be/2FlZ4gRcxEs[/youtube]
So, do you think it was the chicken or the egg. Is 5e produced in such a way that it attracts players who aren't interested in making content? Or are people who want canned content just drawn to 5e? As a 5e GM who likes home-brewing stuff, I'm curious.
All social media is a garbage filled wasteland. Finding value is like digging in a landfill.
On rare occasion, you find a wondrous pearl! But mostly you're just wading through trash.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1101124All social media is a garbage filled wasteland. Finding value is like digging in a landfill.
On rare occasion, you find a wondrous pearl! But mostly you're just wading through trash.
That's no landfill, that's a bowel you're digitally disimpacting. There's no pearls either, just some kernels of undigested white corn. Some people think it's awesome and try to paint pictures with it, but most people know it's just shit.
Quote from: HappyDaze;1101130That's no landfill, that's a bowel you're digitally disimpacting.
And that's my next Shadowrun adventure!!
Quote from: Spinachcat;1101134And that's my next Shadowrun adventure!!
For you it's an adventure, for me it was the 6e pdf...:(
Quote from: Spinachcat;1101134And that's my next Shadowrun adventure!!
Setting out the punchbowls of dice, sighing. :o I guess one more ride on the (Logan's Run) carousel.
(I kinda wish I was employed by Twitter, just so I could shock corporate by still not using it personally -- and get paid regardless. :p)
Quote from: Spinachcat;1101124All social media is a garbage filled wasteland.
Social media like twitter & facebook just doesn't lend itself to the creation of useful game content IME.
5e D&D fans - well they tend to be newbies and unsure what to do. Not that different from many new D&D fans in the early '80s, who just played the official TSR modules. They may be less gear-heady than older generations & less interested in crunch. Many want "The Criticial Role Experience" - but most just want to play some D&D. There tends to be a shortage of DMs and a ton of people looking to play.
One of my biggest turn-offs to Eclipse Phase is that your character lives and dies by their in-game social media reputation and involvement. Some parts of the setting are very interesting to me, but that cornerstone of it definitely is not.
You could remove the word D&D from the title and still be right
Do people actually read Twitter beyond the NPC responses to Trump's tweets? I'm being 100% serious; it seems like the only reason that platform remains afloat is due to manufactured outrage over something the president said.
I've never used Twitter, or whatever other similar platforms I've easily forgotten the names of. I never had any interest in MySpace, and i have seen very little value in my very limited foray into the Facebook data collective.
I have always preferred the internet forum model, personally; and I have replaced 99% of my tv time with YouTube.
I scroll across a couple of news websites every day, but otherwise; I am a forum user.
Yeah, I also do not understand the popularity of twitter. I am astounded that a lot of ttrpg folks use it for their discussions of ttrpgs. Twitter is sooo not made for any form of convenient discussion.
On top of that, there are sooo sooo many entitled minorities on the little blue bird (and other people who are just entitled) that think that the old guard that kept the hobby alive before it was "cool" now just should "hand it over" so that they can make money with it *eyes rolling* . I mean seriously, the hobby does not owe you shit, people! If you want to make a career in ttrpgs, work for it, damn it. All those folks that are successful now have worked for it. So why do those hipster assholes think we just hand it all to them?
And no, that's not gatekeeping! If you have something worthwhile to share, that you worked for, you are welcome no matter who you are (PoC, LGBTQAI etc etc). But no, we do not owe you shit...we don't have to invite you to our streams, we don't have to hire you for anything, we don't need your consulting on any matter etc etc. . If you are one of those "content creators"/assholes, fuck right off.
And no, Pundit, this has nothing to do with 5e. 5e is just fine (you should know, you consulted on it :P ). Fuck all that OSR bullshit noise...it's not the best version of DnD.
Quote from: Anglachel;1101398And no, Pundit, this has nothing to do with 5e. 5e is just fine (you should know, you consulted on it :P ). Fuck all that OSR bullshit noise...it's not the best version of DnD.
I think Pundit's feeling the sting of having been cast aside and see the product line and community go in directions he didn't want, made all the worse by having had some influence for a moment. It happened to me with Dragonlance, it happened to me as a fan with other things (D&D, Star Wars, Star Trek), and it seems to have been happening to a bunch of fans to greater and lesser degrees, as well as with many portions of greater society.
Stat crux dum orbis volvitur.
Twitter is a "social" media platform designed expressly around the core tenets of propaganda, general disinformation, corporate idol worship, hysteria :clap: and :clap: rampant :clap: shitposting. I have no idea why anyone would go there expecting fruitful or informative conversation whatsoever, particularly on a topic even remotely nuanced like roleplaying games.
Quote from: Almost_Useless;1101120So, do you think it was the chicken or the egg. Is 5e produced in such a way that it attracts players who aren't interested in making content? Or are people who want canned content just drawn to 5e? As a 5e GM who likes home-brewing stuff, I'm curious.
I think it's less 5E specifically and more Critical Role and the other streaming shows on Twitch and YouTube attracting these types of players (and non-players). And when you're used to consuming your D&D content, when you actually play (for those that aren't content with just experiencing the game vicariously through strangers on Twitch), you're less likely to make stuff up, particularly if that's part of the hobby you haven't been exposed to yet.
That's not to say Twitter isn't a steaming pile of digital diarrhea. That whole platform could burn to the ground and I wouldn't miss it.
I think that Twitter is great and on the other hand I dont go there for deep DnD discussion.
Quote from: Kane;1101481I think it's less 5E specifically and more Critical Role and the other streaming shows on Twitch and YouTube attracting these types of players (and non-players). And when you're used to consuming your D&D content, when you actually play (for those that aren't content with just experiencing the game vicariously through strangers on Twitch), you're less likely to make stuff up, particularly if that's part of the hobby you haven't been exposed to yet.
I didn't see a lot of 'making stuff up' in the 3e & 4e eras either, though I agree 5e is certainly much more amenable to house ruling & tweaking by design.
#Reddit is about the last social media platform I can use for complex nuanced discussions, and it's not just a huge step backwards from forums like this, but it's becoming less functionality by the day. The situation is so bad at this point that I genuinely fear for the medium as a whole.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1101124All social media is a garbage filled wasteland. Finding value is like digging in a landfill.
Quote from: HappyDaze;1101130That's no landfill, that's a bowel you're digitally disimpacting.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1101134And that's my next Shadowrun adventure!!
I wanted to base an adventure off my colonoscopy, but sadly I wasn't able to record it.
Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1101599I wanted to base an adventure off my colonoscopy, but sadly I wasn't able to record it.
Your doc should have the pics.
Quote from: Almost_Useless;1101120So, do you think it was the chicken or the egg. Is 5e produced in such a way that it attracts players who aren't interested in making content? Or are people who want canned content just drawn to 5e? As a 5e GM who likes home-brewing stuff, I'm curious.
Neither. It was a combination of Millennial Conformity and a shift to SJW Culture in Hasbro.
Quote from: RPGPundit;1101108So in my latest video I point out how D&D Twitter is a garbage-filled wasteland of noise over signal. I blame 5e fans and tumblrinas for this, and suggest an alternative.
[video=youtube_share;2FlZ4gRcxEs]https://youtu.be/2FlZ4gRcxEs[/youtube]
Blaming the fans?
Who are you, Disney?
Quote from: RPGPundit;1101910Neither. It was a combination of Millennial Conformity and a shift to SJW Culture in Hasbro.
I'm not really seeing any SJW culture in the 5e core books, and nothing there that would discourage people from making their own stuff. There is some SJW stuff in later books, though compared to Paizo/Baizuo's hard-SocJus Leftism it's so light you really have to look for it.
So seems like it's just the general Millennial Conformity.
4e by contrast really hardcoded discouragement of unconformity, by pretty well requiring a computer program to build your character and the 'everything is Core' attitude. It exemplified Millennial Conformity in its design in a way 5e really doesn't (partly thanks to you no doubt, but I think Mearls has a very Gen X 'Do your own thing, man!' attitude).
Quote from: RPGPundit;1101910Neither. It was a combination of Millennial Conformity and a shift to SJW Culture in Hasbro.
Gen Y "Millennials" were born 1977 to 1995 and Gen Z were born 1996 to present.
However, I don't know the average age of Twitter "gamers" to know the breakdown of each gen, but GenZ is a very split generation with heavy segments of conformists and non-conformists and we'll have to see how GenZ transforms in the next 5-10 years.
Quote from: Warboss Squee;1101912Blaming the fans?
Who are you, Disney?
LOL. That was very funny!
Quote from: HappyDaze;1101227One of my biggest turn-offs to Eclipse Phase is that your character lives and dies by their in-game social media reputation and involvement. Some parts of the setting are very interesting to me, but that cornerstone of it definitely is not.
In the novel Accelerando, there's a sort of reputation-as-currency system. Wonder if this is what it's like in EP.
Quote from: ArrozConLeche;1102104In the novel Accelerando, there's a sort of reputation-as-currency system. Wonder if this is what it's like in EP.
It is and it isn't; they say that the rep-based economy is not "rep-as-currency" but it really seems to play out that way. They say it's not mainly to distance it further from the traditional economy of the vile capitalists of the inner system (and Jupiter) that are heavily vilified by the pro-anarchist writers.