First the concept of breeding completely different species was a ridiculous concept - but its a Fantasy game so why not.  Hell we've got dracolisks crawling around, why not half-elves

Second the concept of Half Elves and Half Orcs have been around since AD&D.  Removing it is going to piss of a number of players.

I say Kudo's WotC, keep getting on your knees and giving your ass to leftards who don't have the money to buy from you and are just doing this as part of their 5th generational warfare against the West.  This change will cause a number of people to question wtf is wrong with WotC, even players who only started in 5E are going to be pissed when Half Elves are pulled from the game.  The amount of half elf bards, paladins and sorcerers are legendary in 5E.  Then go with the psychopathic attachment to characters that WotC pushes on players now, well gee Baralomore the Half Elf can't be played in 6E now, I guess I'll just go off myself IRL (chicktrax D&D inspired post /s).

My two cents, if anyone can think of another core concept and can come up with a way to label it white supremacy and push to get more content cut from D&D please do it.  I would laugh my arse off watching 6E be a critical failure and the shareholders take Hasbro's board out behind the slaughter house.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on April 05, 2023, 04:04:01 PM
First the concept of breeding completely different species was a ridiculous concept - but its a Fantasy game so why not.  Hell we've got dracolisks crawling around, why not half-elves

Second the concept of Half Elves and Half Orcs have been around since AD&D.  Removing it is going to piss of a number of players.

I say Kudo's WotC, keep getting on your knees and giving your ass to leftards who don't have the money to buy from you and are just doing this as part of their 5th generational warfare against the West.  This change will cause a number of people to question wtf is wrong with WotC, even players who only started in 5E are going to be pissed when Half Elves are pulled from the game.  The amount of half elf bards, paladins and sorcerers are legendary in 5E.  Then go with the psychopathic attachment to characters that WotC pushes on players now, well gee Baralomore the Half Elf can't be played in 6E now, I guess I'll just go off myself IRL (chicktrax D&D inspired post /s).

My two cents, if anyone can think of another core concept and can come up with a way to label it white supremacy and push to get more content cut from D&D please do it.  I would laugh my arse off watching 6E be a critical failure and the shareholders take Hasbro's board out behind the slaughter house.

Well... It's fantasy, and there's dragons in it...

So how come all the humanoids aren't true hermafrodites? That's transphobic!

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Quote"So we're focused on what damage should this creature do. That's why everything goes through inclusion review now so everything in our game brings out delight. Even reprints are going through inclusion review. That's why some older books are changing, too."

Get your hardcopies before they get Stalinized.

come on.. all those option you like will still be in dnd beyond /s

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Quote from: Melan on April 05, 2023, 03:03:32 PM
Very good. Now that the last problem with D&D has been solved, there are no remaining complaints left... right?

No because there are still spiders and snakes in the Monster Manual. ;-)

You say it in jest, but I fairly recently had a player in a campaign I was in literally go nearly catatonic (until their anti-anxiety meds kicked in) at the mention of the word "spider," because it reminded them of... I kid you not... sexual assault.

Until all PCs are blue spheres who overcome red spheres by turning them green and then collect their gold spheres there will be those who are too traumatized by the setting  to feel safe playing rpgs.

I hope someone kindly suggested they return to the game after a lot of therapy.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on April 05, 2023, 04:04:01 PM
First the concept of breeding completely different species was a ridiculous concept - but its a Fantasy game so why not.  Hell we've got dracolisks crawling around, why not half-elves

Why is it ridiculous? Animal hybrids are pretty common:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genetic_hybrids
Lots of people today have a little Neanderthal DNA, so there definitely were proper hybrids back in the day.

Quote from: PulpHerb on April 05, 2023, 04:26:38 PM

Quote from: Chris24601 on April 05, 2023, 03:28:13 PM

Quote from: DocJones on April 05, 2023, 03:08:13 PM

Quote from: Melan on April 05, 2023, 03:03:32 PM
Very good. Now that the last problem with D&D has been solved, there are no remaining complaints left... right?

No because there are still spiders and snakes in the Monster Manual. ;-)

You say it in jest, but I fairly recently had a player in a campaign I was in literally go nearly catatonic (until their anti-anxiety meds kicked in) at the mention of the word "spider," because it reminded them of... I kid you not... sexual assault.

Until all PCs are blue spheres who overcome red spheres by turning them green and then collect their gold spheres there will be those who are too traumatized by the setting  to feel safe playing rpgs.

I hope someone kindly suggested they return to the game after a lot of therapy.

I hope someone kindly suggests they apply for a writers position at WotC as a mentally disabled individual damaged by their game.  Put her charge of their next adventure book.  The videos that would come out would force me to buy another jar of popcorn just to keep up with the entertainment.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on April 05, 2023, 04:04:01 PM
My two cents, if anyone can think of another core concept and can come up with a way to label it white supremacy and push to get more content cut from D&D please do it.  I would laugh my arse off watching 6E be a critical failure and the shareholders take Hasbro's board out behind the slaughter house.

In the world of software, master has been used a lot. However, a lot of money has been thrown at removing it to make things "more inclusive". I wouldn't be surprised to see Dungeon Master replaced with narrator or something similar, partly because they'll link it to slavery, and partly to make it clear that DMs are not in charge anymore.

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Quote from: honeydipperdavid on April 05, 2023, 04:04:01 PM
First the concept of breeding completely different species was a ridiculous concept - but its a Fantasy game so why not.  Hell we've got dracolisks crawling around, why not half-elves

Why is it ridiculous? Animal hybrids are pretty common:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genetic_hybrids
Lots of people today have a little Neanderthal DNA, so there definitely were proper hybrids back in the day.

An Elf can be eternal or live for thousands of years depending on the author, a human lives for 75 years.  Humans and elves from a biologic perspective are not related, humans might as well be Planaria compared to the elves.  But to each their own.  The whole concept is stupid.  Humans, Elves and Orcs would have to very closely related to have viable offspring, and its just present in most fantasy authors perspective. 

I'm aslo not keen on WotC writing school graduates trying to push this concept more, because when you get down to it they will just say every "species" is the same.  I really dislike games without defining racial traits and stats.  I really despise games where you are all playing the same race with a different skin color being the main difference.  I saw that shit back in the day for MMORPG's, and I avoided those games like the plague.

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Quote from: honeydipperdavid on April 05, 2023, 04:04:01 PM
My two cents, if anyone can think of another core concept and can come up with a way to label it white supremacy and push to get more content cut from D&D please do it.  I would laugh my arse off watching 6E be a critical failure and the shareholders take Hasbro's board out behind the slaughter house.

In the world of software, master has been used a lot. However, a lot of money has been thrown at removing it to make things "more inclusive". I wouldn't be surprised to see Dungeon Master replaced with narrator or something similar, partly because they'll link it to slavery, and partly to make it clear that DMs are not in charge anymore.

Dungeon Master = Diversity Model

We could probably push that on Twitter with enough sock puppet accounts and get them to put in a whole paragraph on why Diversity Model is what the "DM" should be pushing for in all of their games.  Maybe even get in a section where if they don't have at least one black player, one gentially connection procreation challenged player, and one cripple then their game is very bad and they should go to WotC.RAM.com and rent at least one minority to play at their table for each session or they are racists, their players are racists and they should just kill themselves /s.

#SaveElrond

Wizards needs to take a flying leap off Mt. Everest. Hand the game over to people who actually love it.

Quote from: rytrasmi on April 05, 2023, 04:30:44 PM

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on April 05, 2023, 04:04:01 PM
First the concept of breeding completely different species was a ridiculous concept - but its a Fantasy game so why not.  Hell we've got dracolisks crawling around, why not half-elves

Why is it ridiculous? Animal hybrids are pretty common:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genetic_hybrids
Lots of people today have a little Neanderthal DNA, so there definitely were proper hybrids back in the day.

There is debate if homo neanderthalensis is a separate species or a subspecies of our species.  Same with Denisovans.

I think the relationship between Men and Elves in Tolkien (where we get half-elves and half-orcs entry into the game) is similar. We already know Orcs are Elf derivatives in his world.

That's also why other hybrids didn't go mainstream, although in SPI's board game Swords & Sorcery Men, Orcs, and Goblins are all the result of genetic experiments on crashlanded space-faring Dwarrows (Dwarves) by Elves, so in that world, you could easily sub in Half-Dwarves.

Quote from: PulpHerb on April 05, 2023, 04:41:17 PM

Quote from: rytrasmi on April 05, 2023, 04:30:44 PM

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on April 05, 2023, 04:04:01 PM
First the concept of breeding completely different species was a ridiculous concept - but its a Fantasy game so why not.  Hell we've got dracolisks crawling around, why not half-elves

Why is it ridiculous? Animal hybrids are pretty common:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genetic_hybrids
Lots of people today have a little Neanderthal DNA, so there definitely were proper hybrids back in the day.

There is debate if homo neanderthalensis is a separate species or a subspecies of our species.  Same with Denisovans.

I think the relationship between Men and Elves in Tolkien (where we get half-elves and half-orcs entry into the game) is similar. We already know Orcs are Elf derivatives in his world.

That's also why other hybrids didn't go mainstream, although in SPI's board game Swords & Sorcery Men, Orcs, and Goblins are all the result of genetic experiments on crashlanded space-faring Dwarrows (Dwarves) by Elves, so in that world, you could easily sub in Half-Dwarves.

The concept of species for D&D is bunk as is trying to use any of our scientific terms.  D&D as a world doesn't follow anything remotely close to DNA.  Again my favorite example is the Dracolisk.  Half black dragon and half basilik.  That would be like making a gekko with a t-rex, but its viable in D&D world.  Pretty much whatever you want to cross in D&D you can cross.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on April 05, 2023, 04:39:10 PM
Dungeon Master = Diversity Model

We could probably push that on Twitter with enough sock puppet accounts and get them to put in a whole paragraph on why Diversity Model is what the "DM" should be pushing for in all of their games.  Maybe even get in a section where if they don't have at least one black player, one gentially connection procreation challenged player, and one cripple then their game is very bad and they should go to WotC.RAM.com and rent at least one minority to play at their table for each session or they are racists, their players are racists and they should just kill themselves /s.

I love it....or how bout "Diversity Moderator" eh? maybe we could push that on the twatter

Quote from: Thorn Drumheller on April 05, 2023, 04:55:46 PM

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on April 05, 2023, 04:39:10 PM
Dungeon Master = Diversity Model

We could probably push that on Twitter with enough sock puppet accounts and get them to put in a whole paragraph on why Diversity Model is what the "DM" should be pushing for in all of their games.  Maybe even get in a section where if they don't have at least one black player, one gentially connection procreation challenged player, and one cripple then their game is very bad and they should go to WotC.RAM.com and rent at least one minority to play at their table for each session or they are racists, their players are racists and they should just kill themselves /s.

I love it....or how bout "Diversity Moderator" eh? maybe we could push that on the twatter

Moderator implies a Hierarchy and post modernist communist leftard zombies have been told by social media that hierarchies are bad.

Side note, one thing that is fun to put in a module, put in a SJW post grad student as an annoying villain.  My villain joined a goblin tribe and spewed so much SJW shit it got the guys to leave and when they did capture him he spewed out how his parents are rich merchants and they'd pay a ransom don't kill him.  The party took the coin.  They are in the plane of air at the moment and are going to hear a familiar voice telling the White Dragons: Look, stop being white supremacist dragons, identify as another color and give up on your draconic genocidal identity.  Have you thought about identifying as a rainbow dragon or at least a pink dragon?"

Quote from: Corolinth on April 05, 2023, 08:57:14 AM
I have a theory that a lot of the "people of color" among the high society woke are actually the biracial children of activists from a previous generation.

Put in D&D terms, they are half-elves who are terrified that their human heritage might mean they have "human privilege". Raised by their human mother, they are entirely human in every way that matters culturally, but they have enough superficial elven features to qualify for all of the special equity programs designed to give elves an advantage in human society. They don't want to be challenged on their human ancestry when they attempt to claim these special legal advantages, and so they insist that they, too, are full elves.

You don't know how right you actually are with this statement. Not to get too detailed, but there is a very real phenomenon (with very dangerous real-world consequences) of a rising number of culturally militant bi-racial children who almost invariably end up "hating" their white halves. This is the kind of militant you witness infesting ANTIFA gangs nationwide (along with weak willed, spoiled "white" middle class offspring). See Colin Kaepernick as a perfect example. There is almost a visceral attraction to neo-Marxist dogma in this group, and these are one very important part of the wokist coalition that infests public spaces like Twitter, Reddit, etc. and push this ESG nonsense on companies.