Quote from: sureshot on October 25, 2020, 08:03:27 PM
From the looks of it Taladas seems to be Krynn done right. Unless I am mistaken did the Minotaurs not have a similar empire on both sides of Krynn?

Dont be fooled sureshot, Taladas was weaksauce which is why it never ever got traction.

I think that was in part the somewhat lacklustre presentation and if I recall right. The relative lack of much to do with Taladas in the form of supplements, books, modules. I cant even recall much, if any, mention of it in Dragon. Im pretty sure there was... something... but nothing comes to mind.

Same with Thunder Rift and even Ravenloft really. There was a span in Dragon where TSR really slacked off on promoting their own stuff.

Quote from: Shasarak on October 25, 2020, 10:05:04 PM

Quote from: sureshot on October 25, 2020, 08:03:27 PM
From the looks of it Taladas seems to be Krynn done right. Unless I am mistaken did the Minotaurs not have a similar empire on both sides of Krynn?

Dont be fooled sureshot, Taladas was weaksauce which is why it never ever got traction.

Taladas was fairly good for a setting using Dragonlance, but that doesn't make it a great setting; it still had to work against the bad in Dragonlance.

As for the question about the minotaurs, I don't recall them having an empire on the Ansalon side...I think they were largely sailors & pirates, but it's been a long time since I've looked.

Quote from: HappyDaze on October 25, 2020, 10:34:57 PM

Quote from: Shasarak on October 25, 2020, 10:05:04 PM

Quote from: sureshot on October 25, 2020, 08:03:27 PM
From the looks of it Taladas seems to be Krynn done right. Unless I am mistaken did the Minotaurs not have a similar empire on both sides of Krynn?

Dont be fooled sureshot, Taladas was weaksauce which is why it never ever got traction.

Taladas was fairly good for a setting using Dragonlance, but that doesn't make it a great setting; it still had to work against the bad in Dragonlance.

As for the question about the minotaurs, I don't recall them having an empire on the Ansalon side...I think they were largely sailors & pirates, but it's been a long time since I've looked.

A later story line had them invading one of the Elven lands but that was the one that had Takahisis sending Krynn down the wrong trouser leg in time so best we not talk about that.

Quote from: Shasarak on October 25, 2020, 10:05:04 PM

Quote from: sureshot on October 25, 2020, 08:03:27 PM
From the looks of it Taladas seems to be Krynn done right. Unless I am mistaken did the Minotaurs not have a similar empire on both sides of Krynn?

Dont be fooled sureshot, Taladas was weaksauce which is why it never ever got traction.

It was the only part of the setting I kind of liked.

Quote from: Shasarak on October 26, 2020, 01:04:59 AM
A later story line had them invading one of the Elven lands but that was the one that had Takahisis sending Krynn down the wrong trouser leg in time so best we not talk about that.

   Maybe it's an excessive attachment to the Fifth Age on my part, but I'm having trouble not seeing subtext in 'the supreme force of Evil steals the world away from its rightful masters, and everything goes to the Abyss because of it, until they finally return to the world and are able to set things mostly right.'

I actually got into Dragonlance through Taladas. It was my first AD&D product after D&D Known World. It was a great read, but I did get confused by the whole War of the Lance thing going on.

Quote from: RPGPundit on October 26, 2020, 04:38:42 AM
It was the only part of the setting I kind of liked.

At least we still have Breakfast at Tiffany's, so thats one thing we got.

Looks like there was a settlement and it seems to be in the author's favor.
https://www.geeknative.com/105376/dragonlance-lawsuit-ended-against-wizards-of-the-coast/

Quote from: zircher on December 20, 2020, 01:43:26 PM
Looks like there was a settlement and it seems to be in the author's favor.
https://www.geeknative.com/105376/dragonlance-lawsuit-ended-against-wizards-of-the-coast/

Interesting. This does suggest a quiet settlement. My guess is WotC didn't want to go through discovery and have Weis and Hickman airing their dirty laundry.

I guess we'll see when Weis makes her next announcement.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on December 21, 2020, 12:15:46 PM
...Interesting. This does suggest a quiet settlement. My guess is WotC didn't want to go through discovery and have Weis and Hickman airing their dirty laundry.

If I were to place money that would be my guess as well. Weis and Hickman has no problems until WOTC switched the editing team that they had to get approvals from.

Then when their new editor comes in (A guy who's CV includes a novel that makes Vladimir Nabokov look like a prude.),  previously approved manuscripts ready to go to print suddenly became 'problematic' requiring multi page re-writes...

Someone at WOTC must have known they would get it hard and fast if it went to court. Rarely have I seen a big company back off like this.

My money is still on the declaration that the Dragonlance manuscripts were "problematic" was just a pretense and the real reason Wizards pulled this stunt are something else entirely.

Looks like Wizards were hope that Weis and Hickman would back down, and when W&H called their bluff, WOTC changed their tune.

If Wotc were expecting them to back off especially in this day and age of social media they deserve all the negative feedback. I am not surprised that they backed off and as quickly as they did. Not to mention next to RA Salvatore and Ed Greenwood they are fairly well known at least in the D&D rpg community. IF wotc thought they were going to pull a fast one on both authors and the fanbase they were sadly mistaken.

Quote from: Jaeger on December 21, 2020, 10:58:33 PM
If I were to place money that would be my guess as well. Weis and Hickman has no problems until WOTC switched the editing team that they had to get approvals from.

Then when their new editor comes in (A guy who's CV includes a novel that makes Vladimir Nabokov look like a prude.),  previously approved manuscripts ready to go to print suddenly became 'problematic' requiring multi page re-writes...

Someone at WOTC must have known they would get it hard and fast if it went to court. Rarely have I seen a big company back off like this.

Another "diversity" hire I see no clue to what they are doing yet they checked off a few boxes on the diversity and inclusivity list. Funny how his novel is not "problamatic" yet suddenly the new manuscript is. Nice to see Wotc bend the knee for the right reasons for once.

I actually think a lot of this 'kulturkampf' is a 'hatchet job' in sheep's clothing to trim undesired divisions down to ignorability. Too frequent pattern across several industries. Which is a pity because it looks like the deliberate trawling of sea beds to kill off future bounty -- probably big corporate "thinking" it is salting the earth of its nascent competition when it is really strengthening external competitors and sowing its own demise (like myth of Uranus' vengeance against Saturn through the grandchildren).

Not every society is interested in selling off its cultural riches to the highest bidder... 

That said, I would not mind a return to Dragonlance. I never got into it myself, but apparently it is an epic tale of good v evil. Those tend to inspire the youth.