Quote from: Lychee of the Exchequer;1091761You mean as when the Umayyad Caliphate conquered Hispania during the best part of the 8th century AD ?

So according to your understanding of the SJW doctrine of Whiteness*, the Muslims conquerors (and so colonialists) of Al-Andalus were Whites and the initial inhabitants of the Iberian Peninsula, the Wisigoths, were Non-Whites ? Yeah, it sounds just like an SJW theory to me (that's sarcasm).

It's not like the Visigoths were the original inhabitants of Hispania either (nor the sole ones as they were generally more of an upper-class). They took it over from the Roman Iberians. Who were of course descendants of Roman settlers and earlier settlers after Rome took Hispania from the original inhabitants, the Carthaginians. Who were of course not the original inhabitants as they had taken the land from the original inhabitants. Who of course were not the original inhabitants either because ... and so on at least back to Homo Sapiens arriving and taking that peninsula from Neanderthals (depending on how that went on).

Quote from: Blankman;1091765... and so on at least back to Homo Sapiens arriving and taking that peninsula from Neanderthals (depending on how that went on).

Just a guess, given that Europeans have a small percentage of Neanderthal in their DNA is that it went on... rather well.

Quote from: Blankman;1091755If that were true, nobody would bat an eye at caucasian Americans trying on Japanese clothes. Japan was not colonized by Europeans, in fact it was a colonizing power itself and took over Korea, parts of China, former German colonies in the Pacific etc. Japan is also a super-prosperous nation today, with one of the world's largest economies, lots of leading multinational companies (Toyota, Honda, Mitsubishi, Sony, Canon etc) a generally prosperous population and enormous amounts of cultural exports (seen a samurai movie? A Studio Ghibli film? Played a Nintendo game?). There is no way that Japan can be considered a poor put upon nation, or its people victimized by colonization. And yet, dare to exhibit Kimono's and encourage people to try them on and guess what happens? It's all about surface judgments about ethnicity and an insane and completely inaccurate idea of how cultures work and interact with each other.

It's the marxist "theory" of how you don't own your pencil because you didn't manufacture it from scratch from trees you own and graphite you own because yo can't own the land. But applied to culture, but of course they stop looking back at the moment the evil white demon conquered anybody and never consider prior conquests and empires as either conquerors, colonialists or evil.

So the Mongols didn't rape and pillage across the whole world (the parts they could anyway), and all populations in Asia don't have Mongol ancestry because of all the rape.

So the Crusades were not an attempt to take back from the muslim empire what was taken by force. Neither all the black and white slaves taken by the muslim empire count as slavery because reasons.

Their religion makes zero sense and should be laughed at mercilessly.

Let's try to get back to the more specific topic of RPGs.

One of the RPGs I appreciate the most is the Legend of the Five Rings RPG.

Apart from the cultural appropriation silliness, this RPG should appeal the most to the SJWs' sensibilities (I use the word loosely ;-).

I mean, the world of Rokugan is a one-ethnicity pseudo-China-Japan empire, with the Powers that Be so xenophobic they don't want to have anything to do with the rest of the world, thank you very much ! it is ruled by a rigid etiquette, among the samourais anyway, with infractions often punishable by death (social or otherwise) : just the kind of civil society the SJWs dream for !

And the Big Baddies of the world are literally infected with Evil, so you can - and do - slaughter them mercilessly without feeling like you play some kind of colonial oppressor !

And the icing on the cake ? Apart  from a far away land about which Rokugani (the inhabitants of Rokugan) don't give a hoot, there are no White Men in this world !

Come on, you SJWs bastards : give me five or what :-D ! ?

Quote from: Lychee of the Exchequer;1091835I mean, the world of Rokugan is a one-ethnicity pseudo-China-Japan empire, with the Powers that Be so xenophobic they don't want to have anything to do with the rest of the world, thank you very much ! it is ruled by a rigid etiquette, among the samourais anyway, with infractions often punishable by death (social or otherwise) : just the kind of civil society the SJWs dream for !

I never cared for "Oriental World" systems as they invariably do not capture the differences between the cultures and therefore quite shallow. It is like making the only difference between European cultures being funny accents and different mustache configurations.

Quote from: Lynn;1091875I never cared for "Oriental World" systems as they invariably do not capture the differences between the cultures and therefore quite shallow. It is like making the only difference between European cultures being funny accents and different mustache configurations.

Welp, there goes my medieval authentic setting!

More connected to rpgs specifically, when worldbuilding, make use of how cultures differ and how cultural mixing actually happens. Also use how culture can be connected to and not connected to ethnicity. And don't use the modern US racial designations to stand in for ethnicities in your fantasy world. "White" didn't mean anything in ancient Rome. The Romans saw themselves as Roman and Latin. The Samnites were seen as a different people, despite them also being from central Italy. And they had different customs and cultural ideas.

Later, when Julius Caesar fought the Gallic wars and annexed Gaul, this wasn't just the Romans invading everything. They were already allied with several Gallic tribes, helped defend them against German invasions and then kind of refused to leave. And Rome had already controlled two areas of what they considered Gaul for a long time before this. Gallia Cisalpina, today known as Northern Italy, and Gallia Transalpina, basically the Mediterranean coast of France. When Caesar eventually made it back to Rome he filled the Senate up with a lot of Gauls from these two romanised provinces. He also granted everyone in Gallia Cisalpina full Roman citizenship. They were Gauls, but they talked like Romans, dressed like Romans, did pretty much everything like Romans. I don't think a lot of them had been cheering on Vercingetorix just because he was a Gaul.

Quote from: 3rik;1091465Seen on RPGGeek:

Link: https://rpggeek.com/geeklist/250272/item/6968534?commentid=8833105#comment8833105

Some morons have tried to push that over on BGG too. Only someone from that culture can do the art, write the story, design the game.

L5R, like TSR's Oriental Adventures, doesn't try to be culturally accurate. It's an amalgam of tropes and myths put into a blender. Much like D&D. Bushido, on the other hand, tries to be accurate to Japan's myths tied into the samurai era.

But I don't consider Bushido superior to L5R for being more tied into history. At the end of the day, L5R is Katana Fantasy and OA is Chow Mein D&D and being concerned about their accuracy misses the point. AKA, if you don't look to D&D for Europe's history, don't expect Asian fantasy games to be insights into Asia's history.

Quote from: Altheus;1091720Yeah, and no-one but Welsh people should be allowed to write for Pendragon because the characters are the proto-welsh Cymric people.

Or Lord of the Rings. Apparently he based some aspects or got some inspiration for the Hobbits on some welsh communities. Considering how short some of my welsh relatives are... can totally believe it.

And again we come back to the lunacy of these SJWs.

Everything is racist in their eyes. As I noted before. Depict some culture accurately? You are appropriating their culture or the depiction is racist because it is "stereotypical". I've seen both leveled at games in the last year alone.

Just make your damn game. These fruitcakes wont buy it anyhow and will sooner or later attack you no matter what you do. The rest of the gaming community could care less and will buy the game if its good.

Quote from: Omega;1092189Some morons have tried to push that over on BGG too. Only someone from that culture can do the art, write the story, design the game.

Yeah, you know it's complete horseshit, but you also know it's not gonna make a difference if you bring that up so you decide just not to bother.

Quote from: Lychee of the Exchequer;1091835And the icing on the cake ? Apart  from a far away land about which Rokugani (the inhabitants of Rokugan) don't give a hoot, there are no White Men in this world !

If you look at the art everyone in Rokugan seems pretty white.

Quote from: Shasarak;1092307If you look at the art everyone in Rokugan seems pretty white.

Or, more accurately, very light-skinned Asian or European/Asian mixes. It's like K-pop bands with swords and prayer scrolls.