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"D&D Next"

Started by danbuter, March 13, 2012, 01:24:02 PM

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Sommerjon

#705
May 13, 2012, 09:16:57 PM
Quote from: jeff37923;538928You know, I have never seen 4E fans take the 4vengers whose behavior is mischaracterizing them to task for doing this. If 4E fans who are not douchebags don't police their own, then why shouldn't we tell them to fuck off when they are being wankers?
Because you don't police your own.  Why does one side have to do it before the other 'thinks about it'.
Quote from: One Horse TownFrankly, who gives a fuck. :idunno:

Quote from: Exploderwizard;789217Being offered only a single loot poor option for adventure is a railroad

Sommerjon

#706
May 13, 2012, 09:21:29 PM
Quote from: BedrockBrendan;538930Back when it first came out perhaps. But now mostly what I see is 4vengers just not relemting any point in a discussion that has anything to do with 4e. If you think 3e was balanced (and I dont) they spend twelve pages "proving" you wrong. If you think healing surges or martial powers weren't awesome, they demand to know why then spend twelve pages dissecting your answer. Rarely do I see many folks crap all over 4e anymore, and when they do it is because they are just tired of dealing with the 4vengers.

Is it okay for peopke to have negative opinions about 4e or believe it didn't sell well and speculate on why? That is all most people are doing.
I find it funny that people who like 4e and want to defend misinformation that people spew, get a nifty handle, 4vengers, What are the 'handles' for 1,2,3?
Quote from: One Horse TownFrankly, who gives a fuck. :idunno:

Quote from: Exploderwizard;789217Being offered only a single loot poor option for adventure is a railroad

jeff37923

#707
May 13, 2012, 09:23:56 PM
Quote from: Sommerjon;538937Look at 1e, the game is based on the inch, outdoors that spell of 1" is 10 yards indoors 1" is 10 feet.   So a spell that has a range of 4" is 40 yards outside, but only 40 feet inside.  WTF?  Yet that is A-okay for some reason.  Why have standardized ranges?  Why a factor of 10?  Why are things so precise in measurements?  

Ever look at say S3?  Guess what it's a grid.  Shocking isn't it.  You can actually draw the whole thing out on paper place models and go through it room by room by room.  Absolutely nothing stopping a group from doing that.  I know because I have done it.

So why is it wrong to have a grid for?

Yet for 4e having a grid is somehow, someway wrong and meant to be belittled.  Never mind the game has been based around the grid since it's inception, it's spells are standardized in measurement, it's modules are 100% based upon a grid, etc.

Or let's look at powers.  "Partly because they resemble card entries but also because using one feels like playing a card to me"
So why hasn't D&D always felt like this?  What are spells but a card that you tap?   What about abilities(from older editions) that are 3/day.  Sure you could use them all in one encounter, but would that be wise to do?  Or is the smarter thing to do(you that whole strategic thing, not tactical thing)to use them sparingly throughout the day like a spellcaster does.

If you would like to know, my primary reason for not liking 4E was the concentration on combat encounters in that version. Not just the grid and the powers, but the lameness of Skill Challenges and the removal of skills that would support role-playing encounters or character development outside of combat. It assumes that the only encounter a PC will have is the combat encounter, thus making the concentration of 4E one of a tactical skirmish game.

The obnoxiousness of 4vengers was just another aspect that drove me away from the game.
"Meh."

One Horse Town

#708
May 13, 2012, 09:26:17 PM
Quote from: Sommerjon;538941I find it funny that people who like 4e and want to defend misinformation that people spew, get a nifty handle, 4vengers, What are the 'handles' for 1,2,3?

1onderful, 2multuous, and 3tenders?

jeff37923

#709
May 13, 2012, 09:26:39 PM
Quote from: Sommerjon;538940Because you don't police your own.  Why does one side have to do it before the other 'thinks about it'.

Because the 4venger meme was encouraged by WotC marketting and disseminated by the RPGA specifically for 4E.


Quote from: Sommerjon;538941I find it funny that people who like 4e and want to defend misinformation that people spew, get a nifty handle, 4vengers, What are the 'handles' for 1,2,3?

The 'handles' for D&D 1, 2, and 3 are "awesome".
"Meh."

Marleycat

#710
May 13, 2012, 09:33:43 PM
Quote from: Sommerjon;538941I find it funny that people who like 4e and want to defend misinformation that people spew, get a nifty handle, 4vengers, What are the 'handles' for 1,2,3?

They gave it to themselves as far as I know, as a badge of honor no less which I found out to my detriment on the Wotc boards when I was trying to learn about the game after reading the corebooks and wondering why the radical overhaul? So I asked questions and got far more than I ever asked for.  This was right before the PHB2 and the FR release.
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)

Acta Est Fabula

#711
May 13, 2012, 09:33:54 PM
Quote from: Sommerjon;538941I find it funny that people who like 4e and want to defend misinformation that people spew, get a nifty handle, 4vengers, What are the 'handles' for 1,2,3?


Jesus you're fucking stupid.  Fans of 4e who try to correct misinformation don't get labeled 4vengers.  People who insist on repeating over and over again that you must have something wrong with you if you don't like 4e, or outright make up bullshit about other editions, or act like 4e fixed everything that was ever wrong about D&D, and never let it drop are 4vengers.
 

thecasualoblivion

#712
May 13, 2012, 09:37:40 PM
Quote from: Marleycat;538946They gave it to themselves as far as I know, as a badge of honor no less which I found out to my detriment on the Wotc boards when I was trying to learn about the game after reading the corebooks and wondering why the radical overhaul? So I asked questions and got far more than I ever asked for.  This was right before the PHB2 and the FR release.

I was present when it was created. It was prior to 4E's launch, on the WotC 4E Concerns and Criticisms forum. The term was coined by those complaining about the upcoming edition, but the 4E defenders took the accusation and wore it as a badge of honor instead.
"Other RPGs tend to focus on other aspects of roleplaying, while D&D traditionally focuses on racially-based home invasion, murder and theft."--The Little Raven, RPGnet

"We\'re not more violent than other countries. We just have more worthless people who need to die."

Marleycat

#713
May 13, 2012, 09:39:22 PM Last Edit: May 13, 2012, 09:46:35 PM by Marleycat
Quote from: One Horse Town;5389441onderful, 2multuous, and 3tenders?

Nice. :) The 2e one is very fitting. Though maybe 3fenders fits better?
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)

Marleycat

#714
May 13, 2012, 09:43:15 PM
Quote from: thecasualoblivion;538948I was present when it was created. It was prior to 4E's launch, on the WotC 4E Concerns and Criticisms forum. The term was coined by those complaining about the upcoming edition, but the 4E defenders took the accusation and wore it as a badge of honor instead.

Man, what bad move.  Those pricks on the Wotc board nearly convinced me to break my first rule of gaming which is, at least try it once.
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)

misterguignol

#715
May 13, 2012, 09:47:20 PM
Quote from: Sommerjon;538941I find it funny that people who like 4e and want to defend misinformation that people spew, get a nifty handle, 4vengers, What are the 'handles' for 1,2,3?

Yeah, people who prefer older editions of D&D never get tarred with some stupid handle.

thecasualoblivion

#716
May 13, 2012, 09:51:58 PM
Quote from: Sommerjon;538941I find it funny that people who like 4e and want to defend misinformation that people spew, get a nifty handle, 4vengers, What are the 'handles' for 1,2,3?
The term 'Grognard' already existed. No need to create a new one. I do like the 'Old School Taliban' one though.
"Other RPGs tend to focus on other aspects of roleplaying, while D&D traditionally focuses on racially-based home invasion, murder and theft."--The Little Raven, RPGnet

"We\'re not more violent than other countries. We just have more worthless people who need to die."

jadrax

#717
May 13, 2012, 09:59:35 PM
Quote from: Sommerjon;538941I find it funny that people who like 4e and want to defend misinformation that people spew, get a nifty handle, 4vengers, What are the 'handles' for 1,2,3?

3tards used to get quite a bit of use.

One Horse Town

#718
May 13, 2012, 10:03:03 PM
Quote from: thecasualoblivion;538953I do like the 'Old School Taliban' one though.

Leave Benoist alone! :D ;)

Marleycat

#719
May 13, 2012, 10:06:53 PM Last Edit: May 13, 2012, 10:13:00 PM by Marleycat
Quote from: One Horse Town;538955Leave Benoist alone! :D ;)

This wins.;):):D:p
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)
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