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"D&D Next"

Started by danbuter, March 13, 2012, 01:24:02 PM

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Sommerjon

#660
May 12, 2012, 09:52:47 PM
Quote from: BedrockBrendan;538724With all due respect I am not the one engaged in wishful thinking here. Nor do I think the future of D&D is a redo of AD&D. However I know 4e's "futuristic" gamist design is also not the path to prosperity for the line either.
Really?  Aren't you one of them that is saying 4e failed, yet they are getting more and more people signing up for the DDI.  Now perhaps that means people are just throwing money out the window for old times sake....
Quote from: One Horse TownFrankly, who gives a fuck. :idunno:

Quote from: Exploderwizard;789217Being offered only a single loot poor option for adventure is a railroad

Sommerjon

#661
May 12, 2012, 09:54:08 PM
Quote from: Marleycat;538732Okaaayyy.:p

Show me  where this core concept is on pre3e products.
Quote from: One Horse TownFrankly, who gives a fuck. :idunno:

Quote from: Exploderwizard;789217Being offered only a single loot poor option for adventure is a railroad

Sommerjon

#662
May 12, 2012, 09:54:43 PM
Quote from: jeff37923;538731Hasbro/WotC was the final arbiter of whether or not 4E was a failure.

Their answer was, "Yes".

So you're saying that tsr felt 1e was a failure.
Quote from: One Horse TownFrankly, who gives a fuck. :idunno:

Quote from: Exploderwizard;789217Being offered only a single loot poor option for adventure is a railroad

Bedrockbrendan

#663
May 12, 2012, 09:55:13 PM
Quote from: Sommerjon;538733Really?  Aren't you one of them that is saying 4e failed, yet they are getting more and more people signing up for the DDI.  Now perhaps that means people are just throwing money out the window for old times sake....

It is no skin off my back if you think 4e succeeded. I am quite confident in my assessment of its failure and I already offered my response to the DDI angle.

pryingeyes

#664
May 12, 2012, 09:55:39 PM
Quote from: Sommerjon;538734Show me  where this core concept is on pre3e products.

Besides the wording 'core rulebook', what concepts make something a core rulebook in your opinion?

For me the underlying concept (regardless of what its called) is that they're essentially necessary to play the game regardless of any additional book. Earlier PHBs and DMGs completely fall into this category.

pryingeyes

#665
May 12, 2012, 09:56:49 PM
Quote from: Sommerjon;538735So you're saying that tsr felt 1e was a failure.

Just because an edition gets replaced doesn't make it a failure. 4e was pulled prematurely and failed to make inroads into non-player markets and into the markets of other RPG product lines, and that's not getting into success or failure of the actual mechanics and 'feel' of the game.

Sommerjon

#666
May 12, 2012, 09:58:09 PM
Quote from: jeff37923;538728It will be OK, Sommerjon. You will find another tactical skirmish game and tabletop WoW simulator to love and hold close on those cold winter of discontent nights. Time shall heal your emotional wounds.

So how about showing me from the books the chapters on roleplaying from say 1e or 3e?  I mean hell aint no fucking way that 4e has that, right?

I'm hurt you said WoW simulator.  well then you can go back to your osr shit where you can beg the Dm to see if he passes or fails your narrations.
Quote from: One Horse TownFrankly, who gives a fuck. :idunno:

Quote from: Exploderwizard;789217Being offered only a single loot poor option for adventure is a railroad

Marleycat

#667
May 12, 2012, 10:07:12 PM
Quote from: Sommerjon;538734Show me  where this core concept is on pre3e products.

Really? You need to make sense if you expect a serious response.
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)

1989

#668
May 12, 2012, 10:10:43 PM
Quote from: Sommerjon;538740So how about showing me from the books the chapters on roleplaying from say 1e or 3e?  I mean hell aint no fucking way that 4e has that, right?

I'm hurt you said WoW simulator.  well then you can go back to your osr shit where you can beg the Dm to see if he passes or fails your narrations.

Even WotC, in their 5e announcement, admitted this widely recognized criticism.

Stop being obtuse.

4e is fucking tactical board wargame.

It's the biggest D&D failure in history.

It will always be remembered for that. D&D: The Dark Ages.

B.T.

#669
May 12, 2012, 10:24:17 PM
Did we seriously have the "depends on your definition of 'Core'" Clinton bullshit?  4vengers are such cunts.
Quote from: Black Vulmea;530561Y\'know, I\'ve learned something from this thread. Both B.T. and Koltar are idiots, but whereas B.T. possesses a malign intelligence, Koltar is just a drooling fuckwit.

So, that\'s something, I guess.

jeff37923

#670
May 12, 2012, 10:40:38 PM
Quote from: Sommerjon;538740So how about showing me from the books the chapters on roleplaying from say 1e or 3e?  I mean hell aint no fucking way that 4e has that, right?

I'm hurt you said WoW simulator.  well then you can go back to your osr shit where you can beg the Dm to see if he passes or fails your narrations.

Your bitter tears are the wine in my glass tonight.
"Meh."

DestroyYouAlot

#671
May 12, 2012, 11:04:24 PM
Quote from: Sommerjon;538721Why?  Because a bunch of ONETRUEWAY Warriors desperately desire it to be?  What did fail is 1e, 2e, 3e, and now 4e.   game system to stick with any kind of relevance has to change to what is going on and the days of OSR are long gone.

Hahaha...  dude, now you're just flailing.
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Black Vulmea

#672
May 12, 2012, 11:14:15 PM
Quote from: 1989;538743D&D: The Dark Ages.
But not the good kinda Dark Ages.
"Of course five generic Kobolds in a plain room is going to be dull. Making it potentially not dull is kinda the GM\'s job." - #Ladybird, theRPGsite

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jeff37923

#673
May 13, 2012, 12:19:58 AM
Quote from:  Pathfinder Online Technology DemoThe Pathfinder Roleplaying Game is now the world's best-selling tabletop RPG.

The gauntlet is thrown down.
"Meh."

James Gillen

#674
May 13, 2012, 03:16:25 AM
Quote from: RandallS;5386964e did not fail as a system. It simply failed to capture enough of the D&D audience to produce the amount of income the corporate bean counters expected from the product.

To be fair, I'm not sure it would have produced enough income to be successful from the corporate bean counter point of view even if 90% of the people who played 3.x embraced 4e and purchased one of everything produced.

Worse, it captured such a small share of the D&D player base that a game produced by a competitor could outsell D&D at times in the only markets the public could see and compare. That type of brand weakness is seen as a huge failure by corporate bean counters as it not only hurts the bottom line now but it weakens the brand in the eyes of the public making it harder to sell tie-ins, future product, etc.


I actually agree with this.  I prefer 3E/Pathfinder's approach, but D&D 4 wasn't bad for what it was.  It just didn't become Hasbro's eternal cash cow to rival Magic, so it lost favor.

JG
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