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"D&D Next"

Started by danbuter, March 13, 2012, 01:24:02 PM

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DestroyYouAlot

#645
May 12, 2012, 09:30:21 PM
Quote from: Sommerjon;538714have any proof of this?
have any proof of this?  Please don't quote amazon or icv2, neither of them is anywhere close to accurate.  By the logic of amazon paizo modules are shit because they never rank very high at all in the rankings and icv2 is nothing but a hype machine based around who gives them advertising monies.

http://mightythews.blogspot.com/

a gaming blog where I ramble like a madman and make fun of shit

Bedrockbrendan

#646
May 12, 2012, 09:31:51 PM
Quote from: Sommerjon;538714have any proof of this?
have any proof of this?  Please don't quote amazon or icv2, neither of them is anywhere close to accurate.  By the logic of amazon paizo modules are shit because they never rank very high at all in the rankings and icv2 is nothing but a hype machine based around who gives them advertising monies.

No, Sommerjon, 4e failed. Search your feelings you know it to be true.

Sommerjon

#647
May 12, 2012, 09:33:31 PM
Quote from: jeff37923;5387101E, 2E, and 3E.

You don't believe Bard is a core class, but that is only because 4E is not really D&D.
Page117 AD&D
"As this character class subsumes the functions of two other classes, fighters
and thieves, and tops them off with magical abilities, it is often not allowed by Dungeon Masters. Even though this presentation is greatly modified from the original bard character class, it is offered as supplemental to the system, and your DM will be the final arbiter as to the inclusion of bards in your campaign."
Quote from: One Horse TownFrankly, who gives a fuck. :idunno:

Quote from: Exploderwizard;789217Being offered only a single loot poor option for adventure is a railroad

Marleycat

#648
May 12, 2012, 09:34:22 PM
Quote from: jeff37923;5387101E, 2E, and 3E.

You don't believe Bard is a core class, but that is only because 4E is not really D&D.
But it's a great battle miniatures game you can't deny that.
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)

Bedrockbrendan

#649
May 12, 2012, 09:36:27 PM
Quote from: Sommerjon;538718Page117 AD&D
"As this character class subsumes the functions of two other classes, fighters
and thieves, and tops them off with magical abilities, it is often not allowed by Dungeon Masters. Even though this presentation is greatly modified from the original bard character class, it is offered as supplemental to the system, and your DM will be the final arbiter as to the inclusion of bards in your campaign."

It was still in there and absolutely established itself as a core class in 2e up through 3e.

Either way though, the point stands that they ignored expectations at their peril and suffered for it. The bard could have been a purely 3e innovation, all that mattered was people wanted it in the phb.

Sommerjon

#650
May 12, 2012, 09:38:18 PM
Quote from: BedrockBrendan;538717No, Sommerjon, 4e failed. Search your feelings you know it to be true.
Why?  Because a bunch of ONETRUEWAY Warriors desperately desire it to be?  What did fail is 1e, 2e, 3e, and now 4e.   game system to stick with any kind of relevance has to change to what is going on and the days of OSR are long gone.
Search your feelings you know it to be true.

What I do know is Goblinworkx has to use a kickstarter to try and get a demo for investors, cuz...well maybe paizo isn't the grand success that so many so desperately try to say it is.
Quote from: One Horse TownFrankly, who gives a fuck. :idunno:

Quote from: Exploderwizard;789217Being offered only a single loot poor option for adventure is a railroad

Marleycat

#651
May 12, 2012, 09:41:44 PM
Quote from: Sommerjon;538718Page117 AD&D
"As this character class subsumes the functions of two other classes, fighters
and thieves, and tops them off with magical abilities, it is often not allowed by Dungeon Masters. Even though this presentation is greatly modified from the original bard character class, it is offered as supplemental to the system, and your DM will be the final arbiter as to the inclusion of bards in your campaign."

You're missing the point it has been an option 3 different corebooks only in 1e was it technically not base that I give you.
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)

Bedrockbrendan

#652
May 12, 2012, 09:42:58 PM
Quote from: Sommerjon;538721Why?  Because a bunch of ONETRUEWAY Warriors desperately desire it to be?  What did fail is 1e, 2e, 3e, and now 4e.   game system to stick with any kind of relevance has to change to what is going on and the days of OSR are long gone.
Search your feelings you know it to be true.

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With all due respect I am not the one engaged in wishful thinking here. Nor do I think the future of D&D is a redo of AD&D. However I know 4e's "futuristic" gamist design is also not the path to prosperity for the line either.

Sommerjon

#653
May 12, 2012, 09:43:49 PM
Quote from: BedrockBrendan;538720It was still in there and absolutely established itself as a core class in 2e up through 3e.

Either way though, the point stands that they ignored expectations at their peril and suffered for it. The bard could have been a purely 3e innovation, all that mattered was people wanted it in the phb.
You mean the class that ranked right there next to the monk in worthlessness.  That 3e bard?

What tickles to me to no end is the vapid nature of people trying so desperately hard to find something, anything to 'prove' that an edition isn't the 'way it should be'.

I sit here looking at my 1e PHB and see no place where it says "core book"  hell it even says  'Compiled information for players and dungeon masters'
Quote from: One Horse TownFrankly, who gives a fuck. :idunno:

Quote from: Exploderwizard;789217Being offered only a single loot poor option for adventure is a railroad

Sommerjon

#654
May 12, 2012, 09:44:56 PM
Quote from: Marleycat;538723You're missing the point it has been an option 3 different corebooks only in 1e was it technically not base that I give you.

The corebook is a WotC 3e concept.
Quote from: One Horse TownFrankly, who gives a fuck. :idunno:

Quote from: Exploderwizard;789217Being offered only a single loot poor option for adventure is a railroad

jeff37923

#655
May 12, 2012, 09:46:49 PM
Quote from: Sommerjon;538721Why?  Because a bunch of ONETRUEWAY Warriors desperately desire it to be?  What did fail is 1e, 2e, 3e, and now 4e.   game system to stick with any kind of relevance has to change to what is going on and the days of OSR are long gone.
Search your feelings you know it to be true.

What I do know is Goblinworkx has to use a kickstarter to try and get a demo for investors, cuz...well maybe paizo isn't the grand success that so many so desperately try to say it is.

It will be OK, Sommerjon. You will find another tactical skirmish game and tabletop WoW simulator to love and hold close on those cold winter of discontent nights. Time shall heal your emotional wounds.
"Meh."

Bedrockbrendan

#656
May 12, 2012, 09:48:06 PM
Quote from: Sommerjon;538725You mean the class that ranked right there next to the monk in worthlessness.  That 3e bard?

What tickles to me to no end is the vapid nature of people trying so desperately hard to find something, anything to 'prove' that an edition isn't the 'way it should be'.

I sit here looking at my 1e PHB and see no place where it says "core book"  hell it even says  'Compiled information for players and dungeon masters'

The core book concept was largely established by 1e.

No one is really trying desperately to prove anything (judging by the light hearted responses you are getting most of us ae not even trying). They are telling you they didn't like 4e and they felt it lacked the class options they wanted to see in its first PHB. You are the one struggling to prove their preferences can't be true. That it isn't possible 4e wasn't a smashing success.

Marleycat

#657
May 12, 2012, 09:48:40 PM
Quote from: Sommerjon;538721Why?  Because a bunch of ONETRUEWAY Warriors desperately desire it to be?  What did fail is 1e, 2e, 3e, and now 4e.   game system to stick with any kind of relevance has to change to what is going on and the days of OSR are long gone.
Search your feelings you know it to be true.

What I do know is Goblinworkx has to use a kickstarter to try and get a demo for investors, cuz...well maybe paizo isn't the grand success that so many so desperately try to say it is.

Where to begin. 1e has sold more than 2/3/4e COMBINED!  Also that kickstarter is for an MMO. Which Paizo is smartly not obligated financially if it's unsuccessful.  Lisa Stevens is one smart businesswoman.
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)

jeff37923

#658
May 12, 2012, 09:48:40 PM
Quote from: Sommerjon;538725What tickles to me to no end is the vapid nature of people trying so desperately hard to find something, anything to 'prove' that an edition isn't the 'way it should be'.

Hasbro/WotC was the final arbiter of whether or not 4E was a failure.

Their answer was, "Yes".
"Meh."

Marleycat

#659
May 12, 2012, 09:51:10 PM
Quote from: Sommerjon;538727The corebook is a WotC 3e concept.

Okaaayyy.:p
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)
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