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"D&D Next"

Started by danbuter, March 13, 2012, 01:24:02 PM

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jibbajibba

#60
March 21, 2012, 04:47:40 PM
Quote from: Géza Echs;522867Yeah. I could see it working, kind of, but the rigidity kind of turns me off and doesn't come across as anything I'd really recognize as D&D.

But they would only do it in combination with multi-classing so Wizards woudl just take 1 level of fighter every 5 levels and meh... you haven't acheived very much
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Géza Echs

#61
March 21, 2012, 05:48:15 PM
Quote from: jibbajibba;522873But they would only do it in combination with multi-classing so Wizards woudl just take 1 level of fighter every 5 levels and meh... you haven't acheived very much

I'd rather see it as an element of basic class progression than a requirement to multiclass and sacrifice a level of one's core class, personally.

Marleycat

#62
March 21, 2012, 05:57:39 PM
Quote from: Géza Echs;522858Hmm. Statement of bias: I've never played 4E and haven't been following the development of 5E, so my experience is strictly 3E and lower.

I'm not certain I'd like to restrict BAB to only fighters and fighting classes. I think fighters should advance on BAB significantly faster than other classes, and have access to special abilities and / or skills that make them head-and-shoulders above other classes in terms of combat, but I don't like the idea of locking in a overly rigid progression system. I think it's a good idea for magic users, for example, to be able to progress in their ability to swing their cudgels (or whatever), or for a thief class to get progressively better at using their daggers or arrows (and exceptionally better at specialized attacks, like back stabs, poison shots, etc).

By the same token, I wouldn't want to see fighters shut out from basic progression systems highlighted by other classes either. I wouldn't want a fighter to be prevented from, say, increasing wisdom or dexterity, for example, since those would be the domain primarily of magic users or rogues.

I do agree that homogenizing classes into blends of fighter / thief / wizard are no good for D&D (outside of maybe prestige classing or something). But I don't want to play a cookie-cutter, either.
Heh, no worries my experience is 3e and under also, except for trying 4e for 2 game sessions.   Mostly I just think it may be a valid direction to go. They don't have to be absolutely rigid to make it work, they just either have to lower all the numbers or better yet "bound " like they mentioned.  Make stuff soft caps like 1e.

Nothing over 25 without magic or whatever, nothing over +20 BAB without magic or whatnot or just do what Shadowrun and White Wolf did any hard cap things to a proportion of you unaugumented species limits.
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)

two_fishes

#63
March 21, 2012, 06:16:00 PM
Quote from: Benoist;522832Totally. It's like the guy always has an ulterior motive or agenda to whatever he's saying. Which is why it's important to call him out when he gets off the rails, like he did with his "Dogs of Greyhawk" BS.

You know what we did once that was a lot of fun? Prime Time Adventures of Greyhawk. It was great.

Benoist

#64
March 21, 2012, 07:25:43 PM
Quote from: two_fishes;522880You know what we did once that was a lot of fun? Prime Time Adventures of Greyhawk. It was great.

Mark, you do whatever you want to enjoy your free time and I sincerely hope you have great fun in the process. That's not what Ryan was doing with "Dogs of Greyhawk": he was pimping the idea D&D should become a story game, and when it comes to *this*, well, you'll find me waiting by the door to bash your brains in with a Mace of Disruption, brother.

Marleycat

#65
March 21, 2012, 08:00:59 PM
You saying he's an undead then? :p
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)

Benoist

#66
March 21, 2012, 08:10:12 PM
Quote from: Marleycat;522892You saying he's an undead then? :p

Well, yes. Ron Edwards said it best: Winter has come for the Forge. This makes them the hungry dead beyond the Wall, doesn't it? :D

Marleycat

#67
March 21, 2012, 08:31:57 PM Last Edit: March 21, 2012, 08:35:57 PM by Marleycat
Quote from: Benoist;522893Well, yes. Ron Edwards said it best: Winter has come for the Forge. This makes them the hungry dead beyond the Wall, doesn't it? :D

*curtsies* I stand suitably chastised, "readies a Ray of Disruption and says ready when you are".:)

*I don't like Ron Edwards and take issue with calling my style of gaming or myself as brain damaged. Dislike it or disagree with it, fine, but brain damaged?  Fuck you, seriously.
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)

Rincewind1

#68
March 21, 2012, 08:46:23 PM
In his house at Forge, dead Ronnie waits dreaming.

- Gamonomicon, Mad Arab Abdul Al - Baker.
Furthermore, I consider that  This is Why We Don\'t Like You thread should be closed

two_fishes

#69
March 21, 2012, 08:55:33 PM
There should absolutely be more "storygame" stuff in D&D. It would make it a better game. In particular, better guidance for conflict resolution and stakes-setting are critical.

One Horse Town

#70
March 21, 2012, 09:02:24 PM
Quote from: two_fishes;522914There should absolutely be more "storygame" stuff in D&D. It would make it a better game. In particular, better guidance for conflict resolution and stakes-setting are critical.

I've had you down as a few things the last couple of years. One thing i didn't have you down as was a troll.

'Cos that's fighting talk at a minimum and trolling a largely trad board if you read as uncharitably as me!

Rincewind1

#71
March 21, 2012, 09:03:53 PM
Quote from: One Horse Town;522917I've had you down as a few things the last couple of years. One thing i didn't have you down as was a troll.

'Cos that's fighting talk at a minimum and trolling a largely trad board if you read as uncharitably as me!

I have seen it more as a suggestion of masochistic tendencies.
Furthermore, I consider that  This is Why We Don\'t Like You thread should be closed

two_fishes

#72
March 21, 2012, 09:04:01 PM
Apparently I'm hungry dead from beyond the wall.

Marleycat

#73
March 21, 2012, 09:09:11 PM Last Edit: March 21, 2012, 09:12:29 PM by Marleycat
Quote from: two_fishes;522914There should absolutely be more "storygame" stuff in D&D. It would make it a better game. In particular, better guidance for conflict resolution and stakes-setting are critical.

See the thing is I agree with you but I know for a fact that I define the term "storygame" and "storytelling" differently than the Forge and found that out here by pure accident and a couple of cool posters helping me though that gaffe.
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)

One Horse Town

#74
March 21, 2012, 09:09:32 PM
Quote from: two_fishes;522920Apparently I'm hungry dead from beyond the wall.

I'm thinking more peckish un-fit guy from over the fence.
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