Quote from: Acta Est Fabula;533940What do you define as "built the same way?"  That they all need xp to gain in levels, and with each level, you get more HP?  Because that's about the only similarity in all D&D prior to 4e.

Classes gain in power in completely different intervals that have no correlation whatsoever.  Some classes has magic, some do not. Some get really good in combat, while others do not.

The way I'm reading MC's post that you quoted is that she disagrees that every time ANY classes levels, the level of power increase is the same as every other class, and that random Level 4 class character is the exact same power level as random level 4 class character next to them.  All classes have X amount of dailies and per encounters and powers.  And I happen to agree with MC that that isn't needed.

You sir are exactly correct and should be a Jedi Knight for correctly discerning a woman's mind.

Quote from: jeff37923;5339444vengers don't play D&D because 4E is a game, they play 4E because it is their religion. Kinda like how an old science fiction writer created the cult of scientology.

And no, 4E fans are not 4vengers.

That's what I figured but I haven't actually played BCEMI so I wasn't sure.

Thinking of running some mashup of what I do have thanks to you.

Quote from: Marleycat;533938Damn, what is it with the black and white that 4vengers adhere to? Not 4e fans but that subset, they've so fanatical. Every version before 3e is asymmetric design and most of 3e is. Are they really that clueless about the game before 2000AD?

Actually, the problem is just the opposite. In the current edition of reality, D&D posters are very badly balanced. That is, 4vengers actually understand the rules of previous editions, but other posters don't have the skill points to actually know more than out-of-context fragments of the game they criticize. Combat ends up being really boring because 3etards and OSRds end up spamming Lying and Namecalling because they're the only attack options they have the feats for. Unfortunately, the current design team doesn't seem interested in introducing enough intellectual honesty into the various forums for every class to argue in good faith.

Quote from: jeff37923;5339444vengers don't play D&D because 4E is a game, they play 4E because it is their religion. Kinda like how an old science fiction writer created the cult of scientology.

And no, 4E fans are not 4vengers.

I played 3e because it was the only thing anyone in town was playing, and I play 4e for pretty much the same reason. Fortunately, I like 4e a lot better.

You were doing so good until you used a perjorative. Seriously you seem to be a better grade of troll but please learn not to be stupid.

No, you.

Quote from: Halloween Jack;533983No, you.

Okay,.seriously I'm just here to help you.  Even I like entertainment, I mean different viewpoints.

Quote from: Marleycat;533985Okay .....seriously just here to help you.

No, you're not. When you read something you don't know how to respond to, you post something that's just longhand for "You're dumb" that can't be meaningfully responded to. You're still more charming than Jeff, with his hair-trigger "Kill yourself" gimmick, but don't pretend you're arguing in good faith.

What is so cute about this is that after all is said and done, when 4E has been placed in the dustbin of history, the same kind of slobbering fanboi will be using the d20 SRD and OGL to create what each one believes to be the Ultimate 4E Clone. Two things will result:

A) There will be an Edition War unlike any other as 4vengers of each 4E Clone fight one another to prove that their 4E Clone is the One True Way.

B) Reluctantly, gnashing their teeth in anger, spitting the name, each 4venger will have to admit that their 4E Clone could not exist without Ryan Dancey's creation and the pioneering efforts of Paizo and the OSR.

Quote from: Halloween Jack;533987No, you're not. When you read something you don't know how to respond to, you post something that's just longhand for "You're dumb" that can't be meaningfully responded to. You're still more charming than Jeff, with his hair-trigger "Kill yourself" gimmick, but don't pretend you're arguing in good faith.

I am arguing in exactly as much "good faith" as you are. So step it up already, before even I get bored.  You think myself and others on this site haven't tried 4e in good faith or something even more ignorant?

Quote from: jeff37923;533988What is so cute about this is that after all is said and done, when 4E has been placed in the dustbin of history, the same kind of slobbering fanboi will be using the d20 SRD and OGL to create what each one believes to be the Ultimate 4E Clone. Two things will result:

A) There will be an Edition War unlike any other as 4vengers of each 4E Clone fight one another to prove that their 4E Clone is the One True Way.

B) Reluctantly, gnashing their teeth in anger, spitting the name, each 4venger will have to admit that their 4E Clone could not exist without Ryan Dancey's creation and the pioneering efforts of Paizo and the OSR.

You know I just wish I could actually type well and have a computer...maybe it's the drinking.  Either way you put it far more elaquently than I do, and grammactically correct also.

Edit: kidding on the drinking, not the computer or typing.

I'm having Crown Royal and coffee tonight. Proof that I type better when drunk (I earned my straight tequila nerd moniker).

(I also have two cats who like to jump up on my computer keyboard since my hands are not being put to good use petting them or pointing the laser pointer for them to chase.)

Quote from: jeff37923;533988What is so cute about this is that after all is said and done, when 4E has been placed in the dustbin of history, the same kind of slobbering fanboi will be using the d20 SRD and OGL to create what each one believes to be the Ultimate 4E Clone. Two things will result:

A) There will be an Edition War unlike any other as 4vengers of each 4E Clone fight one another to prove that their 4E Clone is the One True Way.

B) Reluctantly, gnashing their teeth in anger, spitting the name, each 4venger will have to admit that their 4E Clone could not exist without Ryan Dancey's creation and the pioneering efforts of Paizo and the OSR.

What's sad is that this probably isn't going to happen. But you can't imagine it not happening. You're irrationally angry about elfgames, and irrationally attached to your favourite edition, so everyone else must be too, right? Normal human beings with a healthy, sane attitude about pretending to be an elven dragon-slaying wizard is just impossible. So you dream up delusions of "4vengers" to get irrationally angry about.

Quote from: jeff37923;533994I'm having Crown Royal and coffee tonight. Proof that I type better when drunk (I earned my straight tequila nerd moniker).

(I also have two cats who like to jump up on my computer keyboard since my hands are not being put to good use petting them or pointing the laser pointer for them to chase.)

You call yourself a "tequila nerd" because you drink shitty Canadian brown vodka masquerading as whisky? If you want to drink Canadian whisky, try Knob Creek. Hell, even Canadian Club 6yr is much better than Crown Royal.

Quote from: Halloween Jack-Off;533996What's sad is that this probably isn't going to happen. But you can't imagine it not happening. You're irrationally angry about elfgames, and irrationally attached to your favourite edition, so everyone else must be too, right? Normal human beings with a healthy, sane attitude about pretending to be an elven dragon-slaying wizard is just impossible. So you dream up delusions of "4vengers" to get irrationally angry about.

Struck a nerve, did I?

Quote from: Halloween Jack-Off;533996You call yourself a "tequila nerd" because you drink shitty Canadian brown vodka masquerading as whisky? If you want to drink Canadian whisky, try Knob Creek. Hell, even Canadian Club 6yr is much better than Crown Royal.

Oh, stop. People will begin to think that you are masterbating while you type one-handed.

Quote from: jeff37923;533994I'm having Crown Royal and coffee tonight. Proof that I type better when drunk (I earned my straight tequila nerd moniker).

(I also have two cats who like to jump up on my computer keyboard since my hands are not being put to good use petting them or pointing the laser pointer for them to chase.)

Shush, you damn well better not get in trouble from your wife for knowing me. If she doesn't kill you I will find a way.

Least you have good taste CR is some good whiskey, yes it is.

Quote from: jeff37923;534001Struck a nerve, did I?

Nah. Your opinions are too dumb.

Quote from: Marleycat;534003Shush, you damn well better not get in trouble from your wife for knowing me. If she doesn't kill you I will find a way.

Least you have good taste CR is some good whiskey, yes it is.

Well if the guy pretending to be a kitten making death threats likes it, it must be classy.