Quote from: Halloween Jack;533727You lost me. As opposed to all the out-of-combat uses for Stunning Fist?

That did not answer this issue at hand. Here let me explain....Encounter powers can only be used one time, seperately and I guess every 5 minutes which is useless and unrealistic. An x power can be used up to it's limit in any situation. And not all of them need be or are combat related at all.

Great that you have pointed out one power that you would use in an out of combat context, which is arguable at that given a basic attack would probably serve better than wasting an encounter power on a non combat situation.

Quote from: jeff37923;533732But you so far have not been able to prove it at all. So keep trying! In fact, try harder.

Not interested in proving anything to do. Don't have to. Wasn't trying to "prove" the thing you're whining for "proof" over in the first place. But keep whining! And keep coming up with bad answers to questions no one asked!

Quote from: Marleycat;533734That did not answer this issue at hand. Here let me explain....Encounter powers can only be used one time, seperately and I guess every 5 minutes which is useless and unrealistic. An x power can be used up to it's limit in any situation.

A "3/day" martial power makes no more or less sense than a "once every five minutes" martial power.

Quote from: Halloween Jack;533736A "3/day" martial power makes no more or less sense than a "once every five minutes" martial power.

I can have sex 3 times a day.  I cannot have sex with only a 5 minute break in between ALL DAY LONG.

I hope you can see the difference.

Quote from: Halloween Jack;533675Not really relevant. The argument is that as Pathfinder develops, they've done a lot of things that 4e also does, only they state them in much more cumbersome language.

If by more cumbersome you mean in a more well written and cogent way sure. Don't like pathfinder but at least paizo takes time to explain its class abilities with more than a quirky formula and one line description.

But to the point it is highly relevant because the verisimilitude complaint doesn't apply to at will style powers. When paizo has healing surges, full class parity, gets rid of the vancian spell list, forces all classes to use identical mechanics, and employs martial dailies and encounters, then you can tell me how everyone loved 4E all along but just needed it described in "more cumbersome language".

If you like 4E more power to you. Play what you love. But this is a very unconvincing argument.

But you can't see the difference between fucking and kicking a door down.

Are you Tucker Max?

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;533739When paizo has healing surges, full class parity, gets rid of the vancian spell list, forces all classes to use identical mechanics, and employs martial dailies and encounters, then you can tell me how everyone loved 4E all along but just needed it described in "more cumbersome language".

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But this is a very unconvincing argument.

Good thing it's not the argument I'm making, then!

Quote from: Halloween Jack;533736Not interested in proving anything to do. Don't have to. Wasn't trying to "prove" the thing you're whining for "proof" over in the first place. But keep whining! And keep coming up with bad answers to questions no one asked!

So you admit to being a full of shit 4venger.

You must be near suicide considering that your gaming religion has been declaired a mistake. You have my pity.

Quote from: Acta Est Fabula;533738I can have sex 3 times a day.  I cannot have sex with only a 5 minute break in between ALL DAY LONG.

I hope you can see the difference.

So sex is a martial power??? :confused:

Quote from: Halloween Jack;533740But you can't see the difference between fucking and kicking a door down.

If it's an action that requires an unusual amount of adrenaline (or whatever), then there is no real difference.  If I find myself in a high stress situation where I am able to perform something I normally wouldn't be able to do (run extra fast, lift extra heavy items, etc), then I can do that, sure.  But only a couple times before my body just quits.  I can't just keep doing it over and over again with a few minutes of break time.

As an example, in boot camp, I had a 2 mile run as a final test.  I had under 14 minutes to do it in.  The track was 1 mile, and it was crowded.  When I made my first lap, my time was 7:35.  I was scared shitless because failure meant I would have to repeat boot camp.  My 2nd mile?  5 minutes flat.  I have never come close to running a 5 minute mile ever in my life.  Not before, not after.  But that time I could because I was properly "motivated".  If they made me redo the same test 10 minutes later, I would not be able to reproduce the same effect because I was totally spent after doing so, regardless of my motivation.

You seem to have no concept on how adrenaline works.

Quote from: The Butcher;533744So sex is a martial power??? :confused:

Gotta give the jocks something because spellcasters are so overpowered...

Quote from: jeff37923;533741So you admit to being a full of shit 4venger.

Keep ragin', bro.

QuoteYou must be near suicide considering that your gaming religion has been declaired a mistake. You have my pity.

I'm so close to suicide that I'm looking forward to Lair Assault tomorrow night, Encounters Sunday afternoon, and wondering when I'll get a good look at the next edition.

4e will have lasted as long as 3.5 before being replaced; I don't see how that constitutes a "mistake." If 4e is a failure, 3e is moreso, as the OGL wasn't retained.

I feel sorry for you. You're like one of those religious people who says to atheists "But you foolishly worship The Scientific Establishment because everyone has faith in something!" It's beyond your comprehension that other people don't cling to an edition of a game about pretending to be an elf and experience searing butthole agony when the next edition rolls around. If Pathfinder or some other retroclone is the particular Preparation H formula that works for you, who am I to begrudge you?

Quote from: Acta Est Fabula;533745You seem to have no concept on how adrenaline works.

So you think penises are powered by adrenaline and associate sex with being intimidated by men in uniform. Tell me more about that. ::indicates velvet couch, begins writing on notepad::

Quote from: Halloween Jack;5337484e will have lasted as long as 3.5 before being replaced; I don't see how that constitutes a "mistake." If 4e is a failure, 3e is moreso, as the OGL wasn't retained.

WtF!?!:banghead:

Halloween Jack is a 4venger.  He posts on SA and TBP, which should tell you all you need to know.  However, he is pleasant enough to talk to, and I don't think he's trolling (unlike TCO).

Quote from: Halloween Jack;533748So you think penises are powered by adrenaline and associate sex with being intimidated by men in uniform. Tell me more about that. ::indicates velvet couch, begins writing on notepad::

Wow.  You truly are a colossal idiot.

Quote from: Halloween Jack;533748I'm so close to suicide...

Dude, even though you are worthless, please call the National Suicide Hotline before considering this course of action. Their number is 1-800-784-2433. Remember, even the loss of a 4ron like yourself diminishes us all.

It's fine with me if he prefers 4e. Now if he tells me 3e/Pathfinder or any of the other Dnd style games I play and run are badwrongfun then we have an issue. If so, he is nothing but 4venger to me.