Quote from: Bill;6847724E is very accessible in my opinion.

I have never met a player that could not easily jump into 4E when the character generator was made available to them.

I have met many people that do not like 4E as well, but accessibility was never an issue.

When WOTC decides to pull electronic support for 4E how accessible and friendly will it be then?

If a game is to survive beyone the shelf life set by its creator, it needs to be sustainable without support from that creator.

Quote from: Exploderwizard;684774When WOTC decides to pull electronic support for 4E how accessible and friendly will it be then?

If a game is to survive beyone the shelf life set by its creator, it needs to be sustainable without support from that creator.

Yep.

Oh well, at least we'll be able to hear the hysterical screams of the TBP 4ons* all the way to here :D:D

*=just to be clear I don't use this word for people who like 4e in general, just guys like those people on TBP.

Quote from: Exploderwizard;684774When WOTC decides to pull electronic support for 4E how accessible and friendly will it be then?

If a game is to survive beyone the shelf life set by its creator, it needs to be sustainable without support from that creator.

If they pull the generator I will abandon 4E for other games.

Personally I hope 4E and Pathfinder both vanish so I can get people to play 1E.

Quote from: Bill;684781Personally I hope 4E and Pathfinder both vanish so I can get peopel to play 1E.

Indeed, that'd be quite something. :cool:

Quote from: Exploderwizard;684769In this case, your "books" literally CAN be taken away from you once you have made the transition from hobbyist to passive consumer. You are at the mercy of whatever the provider chooses to offer via the electric nipple or you can wake up from the matrix, stick to your dice, pencil & paper, and remain a hobbyist.

Not to mention that when it is done the way the DDI has been done by WOTC, you lose control of the rules of your campaign. If whatever errata (or whatever other changes to the rules the company wishes to make to fit new stuff they want to release) are automatically added. replacely what you were using, you have no choice but to use said rules changes even if they disrupt your campaign.

I have zero interest in turning the control of the rules used in my campaign over to a third party. Errata is great, but I want to decide if I use it in my campaign. Changes to fit new material might be good or bad for my campaign, so the decision to use or not use them has to be mine as GM. The DDI took all of that away -- especially when it went online only.

I don't pay for stuff like that -- I would have to be paid to use it. I want to own (and control) everything I need to run my campaign so I can run it under the rules I want for as long as I want to, even if that is 20 years after the company has stopped supporting it.

Quote from: The Ent;684783Indeed, that'd be quite something. :cool:

I miss playing 2nd Edition, personally. I have the core and the DM's guide, mint first printings, but no one to play them with.

Makes me a sad Squee.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;684787I miss playing 2nd Edition, personally. I have the core and the DM's guide, mint first printings, but no one to play them with.

Makes me a sad Squee.

2e is "my" edition, it's the edition I started playing. Loved it to bits and, looking back, can't quite see why we started using 3e instead. Oh well.

My own PHB and DMG are the ones I bought 20 years back and, well, not mint.
(I had to throw away the box of my old Gold Box Forgotten Realms, it had basically disintegrated. Not the contents, mind, and I kept the front page of the physical box as that horseman looks way too badass to throw away.)

I wonder if 4e people will need to d/l illegal programs to keep playing this ever so accessible game.

Quote from: JasperAK;684808I wonder if 4e people will need to d/l illegal programs to keep playing this ever so accessible game.

[cough]

umm.....Dr. Evil, that too has already happened. When WOTC discontinued the offline 4E tools, the code was kept alive, shared and distributed on torrent sites.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;684248Ladies and gentlemen, I present you a "basic" fighter in Next (assume he'll take the warrior path at level three, instead of the maneuver heavy gladiator), and therefore when you gain levels, you aren't really adding a whole lot to the character sheet.

Thank you for posting this, Sacrosanct. You just completely reversed my opinion on Next. This looks like something I can actually use, as opposed to "a steaming mountain of fiddly bits", which is how it was looking.

Now I'm actually looking forward to it.

//Panjumanju

Quote from: The Ent;6848022e is "my" edition, it's the edition I started playing. Loved it to bits and, looking back, can't quite see why we started using 3e instead. Oh well.

My own PHB and DMG are the ones I bought 20 years back and, well, not mint.
(I had to throw away the box of my old Gold Box Forgotten Realms, it had basically disintegrated. Not the contents, mind, and I kept the front page of the physical box as that horseman looks way too badass to throw away.)

Well, they are not my original books. Those are missing, not sure where. My wife, on the other hand, gave my my current books when we were dating after she learned I was into it. Which was date 3 or 4.

And now I'm tempted to get a PbP going here, although I'm way to rusty to try to run it.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;684815Well, they are not my original books. Those are missing, not sure where. My wife, on the other hand, gave my my current books when we were dating after she learned I was into it. Which was date 3 or 4.

And now I'm tempted to get a PbP going here, although I'm way to rusty to try to run it.

I would play a 2e PbP in a heartbeat.

I've never done PbP so I don't think I'd run it but I'd definitely play.

Quote from: Piestrio;684839I would play a 2e PbP in a heartbeat.

I've never done PbP so I don't think I'd run it but I'd definitely play.

There are a lot of 2e fans here. Someone would run it. I would prefer to play to get familiar with pbp, something I have not done before.

Quote from: Piestrio;684839I would play a 2e PbP in a heartbeat.

I've never done PbP so I don't think I'd run it but I'd definitely play.

Quote from: Bill;684843There are a lot of 2e fans here. Someone would run it. I would prefer to play to get familiar with pbp, something I have not done before.

I'd definitely join a 2e pbp, myself!

I played pbp at TBP a couple times back in the day, but the only game that was going anywhere was a Buffy one where the GM got permabanned :-/

The biggest difference between pbp end normal play is that pbp is slow. Even if all players Are present, stuff happens way slower than in RL gaming.

It's still fun though.

Quote from: Bill;684781If they pull the generator I will abandon 4E for other games.

Personally I hope 4E and Pathfinder both vanish so I can get people to play 1E.

Pathfinder is just another iteration of 3.x, and 3.x has been around in some form for 13 years. Do you really expect it to vanish any time soon? I don't.

Oh, and why can't you get people to play 1e? What's up with that?