spotted at my local Borders:

Confessions of a Part-time Sorceress: A Girl's Guide to the D&D Game (Girl's Guide to Dungeons and Dragons)

link to amazon entry:

http://tinyurl.com/yv9esb

just. . . whoa.  :what:

Whoa is right.

I wonder if it's any good.

i'll be back at borders friday.  i'll flip through it then, see what's up with it.  i doubt we'll have sold all 4 copies by that time.

Thats been in the works for MONTHs.
At the store we got pre-publicity about that at least 5 or 6 months ago.

- Ed C.

Quote from: KoltarThats been in the works for MONTHs.
At the store we got pre-publicity about that at least 5 or 6 months ago.

- Ed C.

yeah, well i haven't bothered with what's on WotC's plans for a couple of years now.  do you have it at your store?  any sales, or interest?  talk about a niche product. . . .

Quote from: beeberyeah, well i haven't bothered with what's on WotC's plans for a couple of years now.  do you have it at your store?  any sales, or interest?  talk about a niche product. . . .

 We already get plenty of women gamers at the store - don't need that book to encourage that. Its aimed more at the mainstream.

- Ed C.

Quote from: KoltarWe already get plenty of women gamers at the store - don't need that book to encourage that. Its aimed more at the mainstream.

- Ed C.

so, there hasn't been any interest in your neck of the woods, then?

There is an interview with the author on video at WoTCs site.

Youtube vid.

The WoTC page its on.

Quote from: KoltarThats been in the works for MONTHs.
At the store we got pre-publicity about that at least 5 or 6 months ago.

Well, hooray for you.  Pity you didn't mention anything about it to us MONTHs ago.  Would've been interesting then, too.

QuoteWe already get plenty of women gamers at the store - don't need that book to encourage that.

If you'll pardon my saying so, the fuck you don't.  You're a business, not a private club.  If it'll wrangle in a different facet of the demographic and sell more game books, then, yeah, you do need a book like that to do it.  Again, hooray for you for pointing out that you're ahead of the curve, but don't be such a douche.

That said, oh, hey!  Go Shelly.  I like the fact that the book was written not only by A) a woman, but by B) a 30-ish late-comer.  Props for appealing to women aside, I wouldn't mind seeing a book like this written by a man who started gaming in his 30s, helping (one hopes) to normalise the hobby.

!i!

I would like to cautiously cheer this possible way to mainstream the hobby a bit more.  I say quietly because I haven't read the book or heard about it until this thread.  That being said, I have seen the subject of how to get more women involved discussed before without much agreement.   In fact, getting new blood into the hobby is always a good way to start a discussion but sometimes the wheels just end up spinning in the mud.  I think a fair number of us that having more people in it is a good thing (the "quality" of such people is the subject of another thread).

Ian - Calm the fuck down.

QuoteIan Absentia said this stuff:Well, hooray for you.  Pity you didn't mention anything about it to us MONTHs ago.  Would've been interesting then, too.

nNo it wouldn't . Really. I also didn't tell you about the other 47 to 98 other things promoed in the last 5 or 6 months, because the forum is about RPGs - not me acting as a shill for WotC's upcoming books. (Or SJG, White Wolf, Mongoose, Privateer Press, Green Ronin, Palladium, HERO games, ....well maybe SJG if I'm in a good mood..but thats only cuz I really like them.)

QuoteIan also said this: If you'll pardon my saying so, the fuck you don't.  You're a business, not a private club.  If it'll wrangle in a different facet of the demographic and sell more game books, then, yeah, you do need a book like that to do it.  Again, hooray for you for pointing out that you're ahead of the curve, but don't be such a douche.

Ian, There ain't enough floor space!! We got a small space at the mall. We also have "friends" at other stores that direct people new to gaming. A book like that does better at either B.DALTON books or BORDERS Books - BOTH of which are in the same Mall's parking lot area.  Also, both of those places have better luck woth similiar books of that kind than we do.

 Heck the manager of the B.DALTON is in the same roleplaying group as the manager of our store. They "network", we "network".

 Secondly - we have a woman, in her 20s who works in the store. Want to get more women gamers??? It helps if you already have a woman thats into gaming working at the store.



- Ed C.

Quote from: KoltarThats been in the works for MONTHs.
At the store we got pre-publicity about that at least 5 or 6 months ago.

That sounds really snotty, Koltar. Like "huh, big deal beeber, I knew about this MONTHs ago!"

Is that what you meant? To big yourself up over knowing about something MONTHs ago that beeber has only just now seen?

- Q

At first I thought this might be interesting reading...but, after watching the Utube interview I'm not real impressed.  The Author talking sounds like any average (man or woman) inexperienced gamer high on something new.  I think a similar book by someone like my sister (who has been playing for 25+ years) would have been a lot more interesting.

Not reading the book, I can't say for sure, but, listening to her talking about the game doesn't impress me much as far as the book being interesting reading material.

So, my uneducated opinion (not having read the book) is that WotC plan isn't really to get women involved in the game, but rather to target 15 year old boys (once again) who see the hot cartoon girl on the cover and see the words "D&D" and "Girl" on the same book cover and buy it thinking they will have some new tool for understanding the fairer sex.

"So you think the storytelling nature of D&D appeals to women?"
"Yes, I think it does."

The marketing is becoming clearer.

Quote from: James J Skach"So you think the storytelling nature of D&D appeals to women?"
"Yes, I think it does."

The marketing is becoming clearer.

i will take note of any swinish elements upon my friday perusal of this mysterious tome!  :pundit:

sorry, got a bit o' the gygax in my coffee this morn :haw: