Quote from: Mistwell;1138878Correct it doesn't mean D&D isn't inclusive, and WOTC never claimed that either. It means some PEOPLE who play D&D are not inclusive. And WOTC cannot stop them from playing, but they can say "Those who do not reflect those values are not welcome in our community." Get it? "Those" is people, not the game. And they cannot force anyone to stop playing it, but they can tweet they don't want them welcome in the community surrounding the game.

And I get that. When someone says they don't want "cripples" to be included in artwork representations of a kids game, I don't want to include them in my community. I don't think there is anything bad about saying that and it sure as shit isn't a "stupid Maoist struggle session".

1: Except thats not what WOTC is saying now. Therein lies the problem. Context. You know darn well who they really mean and that this is just another in a growing list of problems with WOTC and the Social Justice Cult.

2: As one of those "cripples" Thank you very much for standing up for us poor oppressed people. Because apparently you think we are too stupid to speak up if we think theres a problem because we HAVENT spoken up because there WASNT a problem till YOU. Yes YOU. Made it a problem for US! This is the diametric opposite of helping us. We have NEVER been helped by SJWs because actually helping us isnt the goal. It takes real people actually getting their hands dirty and helping.

But of course you can never see that.

x: If you really mean well then take a step back and try to see the damage you are helping to commit by supporting these sociopaths and grifters.

Quote from: moonsweeper;1138925It may help you, if you understood that people have the right to be bigoted...It may be stupid, it may be boorish, it may even make them evil....whichever way, it doesn't matter.  The ignorant racist fuck is free to say what he wants the same as every other fucking person here.

Actually various sorts of speech are not free. In most states its illegal to say various things in public and that can and likely will get you fined or sent to jail or even prison depending on the severity of what you said.

Quote from: oggsmash;1138931Isnt  hick a term used by bigots?

Nah, just elitist city slickers. :cool:

Hick is essentially the old version of calling someone a nerd. Then again so is city slicker.

Quote from: Omega;1138938Nah, just elitist city slickers. :cool:

Hick is essentially the old version of calling someone a nerd. Then again so is city slicker.

  it is exactly the textbook term of a bigot to call someone something  for a difference of opinion.

Behold POCripples, your savior has arrived



WotC should really make a Baizuo class for Oriental Adventures

This thread made my day! He's far away from RPG.net though. Hmm wonder what brings him to this neck of the woods?

Quote from: oggsmash;1138939it is exactly the textbook term of a bigot to call someone something  for a difference of opinion.

Yes of course. Bigot now means "everything on earth". Thanks for clearing that up for us.

Quote from: Omega;1138955Yes of course. Bigot now means "everything on earth". Thanks for clearing that up for us.

      Well, since you missed the entire context, you needed some clearing up.  It was just for you.  I think you were the only one missing it.  You are welcome.

Quote from: hedgehobbit;1138883You still can't see the contradiction about claiming you are being more inclusive by specifically excluding people whose opinions you don't like.

It sure is a mystery why the people calling shrilly for tolerance are the ones who are least tolerant.

I think that Mao had a special term for it.

Speaking of which, what exactly is a WotC community?

Would that be just people that play WotC organised play games or do you get some kind of ID card?

Quote from: trechriron;1138760It's sad. This whole thing is being handled like a bad episode of the Three Stooges. Or a Bennie Hill montage.

Am I losing my Liberalness? My blood boils and my stomach turns just listening to people point at OA and scream heresy. These statements read like someone in a North Korean prison camp reading from a typed text script nodding profusely their agreement to avoid the next beating. It's not sincere.

I support equality and fair treatment of everyone. I get why people are mad about police brutality targeting blacks. But do we have to swear allegiance to our Marxist "superiors" and take an oath of submission in the process of giving a shit? I want to encourage kindness and equality but I don't feel compelled to pretend like TSR/WOTC fucked the world when OA was released. If you want a product that eschews Asian stereotypes, write one! Teach the world! Lead the way! I don't have to bend the knee to appreciate you. Hell, if you show me the way I will appreciate you even more!

I think I'm losing my mind.

Nothing you said you want is exclusively linked to "liberalness".

Quote from: trechriron;1138760It's sad. This whole thing is being handled like a bad episode of the Three Stooges. Or a Bennie Hill montage.

Am I losing my Liberalness? My blood boils and my stomach turns just listening to people point at OA and scream heresy. These statements read like someone in a North Korean prison camp reading from a typed text script nodding profusely their agreement to avoid the next beating. It's not sincere.

I support equality and fair treatment of everyone. I get why people are mad about police brutality targeting blacks. But do we have to swear allegiance to our Marxist "superiors" and take an oath of submission in the process of giving a shit? I want to encourage kindness and equality but I don't feel compelled to pretend like TSR/WOTC fucked the world when OA was released. If you want a product that eschews Asian stereotypes, write one! Teach the world! Lead the way! I don't have to bend the knee to appreciate you. Hell, if you show me the way I will appreciate you even more!

I think I'm losing my mind.

No you are not losing your mind imo.

All they had to do is put a disclaimer about the book with an apology. Instead we have reach peak idiocy where not only an apology is not enough one has throw away and all self-respect. It's like watching a North Korean sell out his friends and family to save their skin. It's sadly pathetic and ridiculous if it makes them go broke from being woke then so much the better.

My buddy is what can be termed very much leftist and mild SJW and even he cannot stand what both Paizo and Wotc are doing. He just blocked regressive and repressive SJW on Facebook because it's impossible to find any common ground or cause with him and SJWs like him in general. Agree and drink the kool-aid or else one is (insert word)ist.

As for Mistwell like my ex-frend who is Regressive and repressive they cannot admit their side is wrong because it's all about carefully constructed personal narratives. Anything and everything that goes against the almighty narrative is to be summarily dismissed.

rolling rolling rolling keep them narratives  rollin rawhide!

Quote from: Shasarak;1138973Speaking of which, what exactly is a WotC community?

Something that authoritarians like to invoke whenever gatekeeping people they like to accuse of being gatekeepers out of whatever area of activity they've declared theirs by calling it a "community".

Quote from: VisionStorm;1138979Something that authoritarians like to invoke whenever gatekeeping people they like to accuse of being gatekeepers out of whatever area of activity they've declared theirs by calling it a "community".

From what I can see Gatekeeping amounts to one bad rpg experience they had in their lifetimes. Not four or three just which proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that not only exists that their is also a illumanti keeping them out. I used too many cheesy one liners when I was trying to go on dates and was shot down a lot by women. Does that mean that women are actively gatekeeping from dating no. But hey that had that one experience that they could never get past so um you know gatekeeping.

Quote from: sureshot;1138980From what I can see Gatekeeping amounts to one bad rpg experience they had in their lifetimes. Not four or three just which proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that not only exists that their is also a illumanti keeping them out. I used too many cheesy one liners when I was trying to go on dates and was shot down a lot by women. Does that mean that women are actively gatekeeping from dating no. But hey that had that one experience that they could never get past so um you know gatekeeping.

I once saw a woman in Twitter bring up an anecdote of how she once went to a hobby shop and was checking RPG stuff out, when this overenthusiastic group of nerds went over to tell her what D&D was, and the rules, etc.--like she didn't already know these things. And this to her was an example of how unwelcoming RPGs were towards women of "color" (apparently she was black or something) because these nerds were questioning or doubting her knowledge of the game. She didn't get this was probably the first time those guys had seen a woman interested in RPGs in their lives and were trying not to cream in their pants while trying to get her to join their group.

So not only were they not being unwelcoming to her, but they were treating her like royalty. But as feminists like to say: Privilege is often invisible to those who have it.