Quote from: S'mon on February 21, 2023, 05:23:15 AM

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on February 21, 2023, 03:45:21 AM
It was stupid for Brink to let his left wing race politics to leak in an interview.  If you are a racist, keep the filth out of your public persona especially interviews.

I'm not sure it was stupid - WoTC have been working hard on 'divide & conquer' tactics, stirring up race hate, and now Brink has a bunch of lefties defending his comments. Result. Plus it was a deflection tactic - the interviewers want blacks in well paid & powerful executive roles, so Brink starts talking about getting rid of basement dwelling white players, & hiring poorly paid PoC designers...

I agree. I suspect that this has done exactly what it has intended. WotC hasn't had to do any action that is actually leftist - not even hire more poorly-paid PoC designers.

Instead, simply by a few words, he's changed the conversation from being about their corporate overreach of IP (which had gamers united against them) to being about oppression of white people (which left-leaning gamers won't sign on about).

"people who look like me"
I think he means four-eyed beta-cucks.

Quote from: jhkim on February 21, 2023, 11:57:38 AM

Quote from: S'mon on February 21, 2023, 05:23:15 AM

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on February 21, 2023, 03:45:21 AM
It was stupid for Brink to let his left wing race politics to leak in an interview.  If you are a racist, keep the filth out of your public persona especially interviews.

I'm not sure it was stupid - WoTC have been working hard on 'divide & conquer' tactics, stirring up race hate, and now Brink has a bunch of lefties defending his comments. Result. Plus it was a deflection tactic - the interviewers want blacks in well paid & powerful executive roles, so Brink starts talking about getting rid of basement dwelling white players, & hiring poorly paid PoC designers...

I agree. I suspect that this has done exactly what it has intended. WotC hasn't had to do any action that is actually leftist - not even hire more poorly-paid PoC designers.

Instead, simply by a few words, he's changed the conversation from being about their corporate overreach of IP (which had gamers united against them) to being about oppression of white people (which left-leaning gamers won't sign on about).

>Instead, simply by a few words, he's changed the conversation from being about their corporate overreach of IP (which had gamers united against them) to being about oppression of white people (which left-leaning gamers won't sign on about) who can't afford to buy D&D products let alone will NOT buy D&D products.

FIFY

But he did manage to piss of those white customers who listened to the interview.  That interview got me to sail the high seas on all D&D content and share the method to do it with all my groups.  Hey its only 12 people, but if they share with 2 more a piece that's 24 and so on.  Kudo's Brink. 

Other people feel the same way.  I'm also OFF D&D Beyond as a platform and using Fantasy Grounds in lieu and training my players to use it as well.  Again, congrats Brink.  Those pesky white people who pay his paycheck IF they saw the interview are taking his advice.  Virtue signaling to a socialist who lives in mommies basement isn't going to sell books.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on February 21, 2023, 03:37:12 PM
Those pesky white people who pay his paycheck IF they saw the interview are taking his advice.  Virtue signaling to a socialist who lives in mommies basement isn't going to sell books.

Assuming we're talking about the non-self loathing variety of white people. The self loathing types are already loudly and, ironically, proudly proclaiming their suckitude by simping for Kyle and his runaway mouth. "He meant the people working at WotC!" And that's somehow supposed to make it better?

Quote from: Wasteland Sniper on February 21, 2023, 04:31:22 PM

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on February 21, 2023, 03:37:12 PM
Those pesky white people who pay his paycheck IF they saw the interview are taking his advice.  Virtue signaling to a socialist who lives in mommies basement isn't going to sell books.

Assuming we're talking about the non-self loathing variety of white people. The self loathing types are already loudly and, ironically, proudly proclaiming their suckitude by simping for Kyle and his runaway mouth. "He meant the people working at WotC!" And that's somehow supposed to make it better?

Well, you see, WotC isn't saying they don't want the money of those evul huwhite, straight, males, they are ONLY saying they wouldn't hire them.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on February 21, 2023, 03:45:21 AM

Quote from: Mistwell on February 20, 2023, 03:51:13 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 16, 2023, 05:20:56 PM
Mistwell: You can't be this dense, we KNOW what "equity" means, it means discriminating against white straight people (men mostly), because it means you are paying attention to the race/sex/sexuality of those you accept as candidates to fill up a quota, there's no fucking way to achieve "equity" without discrimination.

But you carry on capping for the racist and sexist megacorporation.

Here is the video. Watch it for yourself, see with your own eyes if they're saying what you and Pundit and some others claim they said. I'd bet good money people won't watch, because the risk of seeing you're wrong. Why not continue with the fantasy you're right, when you can feel good about yourself that way? But we'll see. Dare you to actually look:

Everyone has watched the video, we all know that Brink stated he can't wait for people who look like him to be gone.

Bull FUCKING shit you've watched all of the videos. It's SIX HOURS of videos. You have not watched it all. NOBODY here has watched it all. That's why I posted a link to a guy who took the bullet and did watch them all and distill all the stuff about this topic down.

Which you refuse to watch. Because you'd rather believe the bullshit rather than see for yourself.

QuoteIn the sentence before he made the slur

Naw naw naw that topic is throughout the videos, not in just one paragraph. See, I knew you guys had no clue what you were talking about.

Watch the fucking video I linked to. You will see WAY more than you have so far.

Quote from: oggsmash on February 21, 2023, 05:24:13 AM
  Carrying ALOT of water for a guy who made a flat out anti white statement.  Why pretend the guy didnt make that clear?  Must we obfuscate and hide the fact a fellow is clearly making an anti white stance?   Strange for someone to run SO much interference for an anti white person.

Did you watch the video I linked to? No of course you didn't. Because the narrative you're pushing is more fun than actually seeing for yourself. The real, full thing and not the out of context clip.

Quote from: Abraxus on February 21, 2023, 08:43:37 AM
Mistwell and other similar Woke people tend to run interference or similar when the awoke pull this kind of shit. Not sure because it goes against their personal carefully constructed personal narratives. Or simply because if they don't their equally Woke compatriots may cancel them. In any case it's pathetic. It comes off as someone in an abusive relationship making excuses for their abusers bad behaviour. And remember everyone Mistwell is not Woke not at all. Kind of like the Jewish guy who eats non-koshers meals when it suits him.

Yes I saw the video so anyone saysI need to watch it can fuck off. I lost minutes of my life watching that trash.

The Treantmonk video I posted? I call bullshit. You would not be calling me and that video "woke" if you had. No you watched the one paragraph out of context clip, just like everyone else here. Because watching the Treantmonk video (a guy who is definitely not woke) would risk you being wrong.

"Hey dudes, there's this long video where some Hasbro exec literally says he wishes the company was run by someone like Hitler."
"He didn't advocate for Hasbro being run by Hitler. You didn't watch the whole video. He was talking about something else entirely."
"Pretty sure he said the company would be better if Hitler were running it."
"Whatever, idiot. He used the name Hitler as a metaphor, you dumbass uneducated rube. You're taking the whole thing out of context."
"HERE IS HIM SAYING HASBRO WOULD BE BETTER IF HITLER RAN IT!"
"You're imagining antisemitism. Where's the tinfoil hat? LOL!"

Etc.

Quote from: Mistwell on February 21, 2023, 08:20:38 PM

Quote from: oggsmash on February 21, 2023, 05:24:13 AM
  Carrying ALOT of water for a guy who made a flat out anti white statement.  Why pretend the guy didnt make that clear?  Must we obfuscate and hide the fact a fellow is clearly making an anti white stance?   Strange for someone to run SO much interference for an anti white person.

Did you watch the video I linked to? No of course you didn't. Because the narrative you're pushing is more fun than actually seeing for yourself. The real, full thing and not the out of context clip.

The most relevant part of your precious video is between a 11:05 to 14:00 timestamp. That's it, that's all the clip you need, the rest is tedious public relations bullshit. ***

The even more relevant piece of that timestamp is in the interviewer's boot licking question between 11:05 to 11:50: "Can you identify anybody who isn't a Nazi holding leading positions in your company yet? Because WotC still has Nazis in their company - like Mike Mearls! - and we can't squeeze more woke-lackeys into the company until they all leave, and by the way, all whites are feral cannibals that make me look both ways before I cross the street so that they can commune better with their blighted gods of first world problems".

Because the interviewer seems to think that all those straight white males are getting in the way of political rejects holding any positions of power in WotC, just like how your pal there is running two-faced lies to swindle the easily spastic. And the joke is that white women think they'll be exempt from the chopping block they stuck their men on.

Your guy speaking in your not at all commercialist and sanctimonious video literally restates the question made by your pet concern scowler that leads to Brink agreeing with whites still being walking tumours upon this earth graced to us by our God-given liberal world. You can see Brink draw the circle around his face saying: "Fuck this fucking thing!"

Nothing else about this video matters.

Like, yay! I now know who Brink reports to IN HIS CORPORATE HIERARCHY, great, wonderful, abso-fucking-lutely reassuring, how could I possibly feel like I'm being replaced if my not being HIERARCHIALLY HIRED INTO A CORPORATION is not the same bullshit being walked back from a safer position so you can let us calm down first and bring back the pressure later?

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Plus: something something OneDND and D&D Beyond will save us all from those dastardly nasty white people who

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*** [Several warranted edits later:

And what's great is when you can find a guy to absolutely lose his shit on the *Internet* so that you can invent further justification for more "peaceful protests", where you can dress up as rebels with a cause for a week while burning down the cities that you hate living in. Because that's the plan, isn't it? Your friends have the proof that you need for speech to cause violence and then YOUR FRIENDS START DOING THE VIOLENCE.

You've noticed that no one can even stay in their own homes and say something as meekly pro-white as "It's Okay to Be White" on a message board, without losing their jobs and sometimes their own homes? The entirety of the opposition against this shit can only be framed as "anti-woke" as a bare minimum of token of resistance, which suits you just fine because we then have to play your assigned role of cranky obstructions to "Progress!"

I can't exactly blame non-whites for not taking an explicitly pro-white stance, they're not my folk at the end of the day and I'm not theirs, but the ones who have noticed how stacked this deck is for anti-white wokeness will get burned with insane labels like "internalized colonialism" or similar bullshit. Asians still want to go to the schools in America that you demand they emigrate to attend, but when they speak out against being sidelined from admissions for the favour of black affirmative action? "This is clearly a case of white supremacy!" Even part-whites aren't spared when they let their basic pattern recognition and common sense inform their love for their families, forget the political opinions.

It's pattern recognition at play here when its obvious that you're apologizing for woke trying to regroup. Your movement is collapsing and your willing to thoroughly deny that on the fever dream that we will all get distracted enough for your friends to rebound.

That's not going to happen. There's no sense feeding you more shitposts if all you're going to do with that fuel is to Stay Pomp(ous).]

Tl,DR:

Fuck your whole worldview.

Quote from: Mistwell on February 21, 2023, 08:21:55 PM

Quote from: Abraxus on February 21, 2023, 08:43:37 AM
Mistwell and other similar Woke people tend to run interference or similar when the awoke pull this kind of shit. Not sure because it goes against their personal carefully constructed personal narratives. Or simply because if they don't their equally Woke compatriots may cancel them. In any case it's pathetic. It comes off as someone in an abusive relationship making excuses for their abusers bad behaviour. And remember everyone Mistwell is not Woke not at all. Kind of like the Jewish guy who eats non-koshers meals when it suits him.

Yes I saw the video so anyone saysI need to watch it can fuck off. I lost minutes of my life watching that trash.

The Treantmonk video I posted? I call bullshit. You would not be calling me and that video "woke" if you had. No you watched the one paragraph out of context clip, just like everyone else here. Because watching the Treantmonk video (a guy who is definitely not woke) would risk you being wrong.

"Come on guys! Why won't you watch a video by a guy making excuses for WotC/Hasbro and their lackey Brink? He's just polishing WotC's balls, he's not woke!

He shows the clip where he says WotC should fire al those evul huwhite straight men and never hire another of those pests but it's totally not racism, because buzzword, buzzword, wordsalad, buzzword guys!"

Let me explain to the slow kids in the class (like you mistwell):

2nd in command in WotC says in ONE interview he agrees less white straight men should be working on D&D

Same person says in another interview "The hiring process has equity targets to bring in a representative sample of candidates, after which it is who is the best candidate.​" https://archive.is/lZ4rL I'm guessing you'll now say EnWorld is a far right rag.

We KNOW what "equity" means, it means discriminating against white straight people (men mostly), because it means you are paying attention to the race/sex/sexuality of those you accept as candidates to fill up a quota, there's no fucking way to achieve "equity" without discrimination.

So, Hasbro/WotC is discriminating on racial/sexual/sexuality lines AGAINST white, straight men. Which is all kinds of fucked, yet you, the totally not woke are capping for them.

Now, they didn't say they don't want the money from those evul huwhite, straight, men (puagh!), they just won't hire them.

I guess you'd be totally advocating against a boycott from black people towards a corporation that was discriminating against them in the hiring process huh?

I've said it many times, I'm a mongrel Spaniard/Maya, I look 100% white, WotC wouldn't hire me because I'm a white, straight, Christian, Conservative, man. Therefore I won't give them my hard earned pesos and will do everything in my power to have more of those pesky white people (and the majority of non-whites) to boycott them for being fucking racists.

Do you understand it now? Or do I need crayons to explain it to you?

Quote from: DocJones on February 21, 2023, 02:18:18 PM
"people who look like me"
I think he means four-eyed beta-cucks.

LOL.  Why do all the guys like this look the same?  I mean, they all have that same soy face.  Chuck Wendig comes to mind.  And they always have that same sappy, wimpy expression on their faces, like their wife's boyfriend just told them to cook dinner and clean the house and while they're at it, wash out his socks too.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on February 21, 2023, 03:37:12 PM

Quote from: jhkim on February 21, 2023, 11:57:38 AM

Quote from: S'mon on February 21, 2023, 05:23:15 AM
I'm not sure it was stupid - WoTC have been working hard on 'divide & conquer' tactics, stirring up race hate, and now Brink has a bunch of lefties defending his comments. Result. Plus it was a deflection tactic - the interviewers want blacks in well paid & powerful executive roles, so Brink starts talking about getting rid of basement dwelling white players, & hiring poorly paid PoC designers...

I agree. I suspect that this has done exactly what it has intended. WotC hasn't had to do any action that is actually leftist - not even hire more poorly-paid PoC designers.

Instead, simply by a few words, he's changed the conversation from being about their corporate overreach of IP (which had gamers united against them) to being about oppression of white people (which left-leaning gamers won't sign on about).

That interview got me to sail the high seas on all D&D content and share the method to do it with all my groups.  Hey its only 12 people, but if they share with 2 more a piece that's 24 and so on.  Kudo's Brink. 

Other people feel the same way.  I'm also OFF D&D Beyond as a platform and using Fantasy Grounds in lieu and training my players to use it as well.  Again, congrats Brink.

Interesting, honeydipperdavid. Many posters here left WotC several years ago, and if not, at least after their attempt to cancel the OGL back in January. Pundit has been very vocal in anti-WotC talk, and it seems like especially conservative posters have tended to agree with him.

Personally, I left WotC over their OGL debacle in January. I never had a D&D Beyond account, but I gave up WotC products after that.

I'd be curious about your staying loyal to them until now, and then leaving after the Brink interview. How would you sum up your view compared to Pundit's and other conservative posters?

Quote from: jhkim on February 22, 2023, 12:05:44 AM
Interesting, honeydipperdavid. Many posters here left WotC several years ago, and if not, at least after their attempt to cancel the OGL back in January. Pundit has been very vocal in anti-WotC talk, and it seems like especially conservative posters have tended to agree with him.

Personally, I left WotC over their OGL debacle in January. I never had a D&D Beyond account, but I gave up WotC products after that.

Personally, I mostly stopped buying WoTC stuff because it tended to be bad, certainly compared to many other publishers. I think Fizban's Treasury of Dragons was a real turning point. It was just so lazy. January 2023 was the first time I really felt an active aversion to them. Then when they released the 5e SRD into CC I thought 'hm well maybe they can win me back, I might pick up Planescape, that was always kind of a Seattle-like setting anyway so they presumably won't ruin it like Dragonlance...' But really now I get a sick feeling in my stomach at the thought of sending them any money. I think now once Free League's Dragonbane is out - loved my first playtest session - I'll probably mostly run that for a while. And I just picked up Forbidden Caverns of Archaia in a Humble Bundle, along with a ton of Necromancer Games/Troll Lord Games/Kobold Press stuff. Definitely not short of material.