Quote from: Grognard GM on February 17, 2023, 12:15:47 AM

Quote from: Zelen on February 16, 2023, 06:38:08 PM
It's incredibly dishonest to pretend like disqualifying applicants from a given position, purely because they are White (or Male, or not sexual deviants) isn't discrimination. The desperate confabulation isn't fooling anyone.

Ah but the conceit is that ultra competent women and minorities have been clamouring to get in to places, only to be turned away purely because of characteristics, while incompetent white guys get an auto-pass. So no matter how much you block white guys, you're just balancing the systemic -isms and good lord my brain is leaking out of my ear.

thats the inverse of my observed reality though; I see people pushed ahead with no merit based on gender race religion or what they stick their dirty lil peckers in ahead of people with decades of xp in the skill or field. Worse I've worked in those environments and its always the same, the woman in charge is made of fail and oblivious to double standards in front of her face...like check this out:

one day the forklift was down the spare was borrowed by plant one but we had crates of trannies to move (automotive you perv) so bitch tits hollers at the guys to push these things....not the girls which make up like 60% of the dept....I said wtf lady, she says "oh ya'll are bigger and stronger and tougher stop whining" i says what about marys fat ass that bitch is like 4 tons of mean and fur why is her big fat ass not out here pushing? oh she could suffer a heart attack...yeah but john is the same as her but male and you got him and his impressive mass out here pushing and he even has documented heart and blood pressure issue...lady, you are a damned farce and i hope someone gets hurt so they can sue this place into the ground. after that i got shit assignments in perpetuity (until they needed a competent team to send to japan, which surprise surprise, was all white guys).

Dont get me started on that time they sent a hr lady out of the blue to lecture everyone about sexual harrasment at a time when no men would even talk to the women and the women were always getting wrote up for hovering around guys trying to work and chatting them up.

yup i want a drink and i dont need one but now my blood is up and i really really really want a bomb big enough to smash a whole in space time....just to hang on the porch ya'll don't be a bunch of tiddy babies now.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 16, 2023, 05:20:56 PM
Mistwell: You can't be this dense, we KNOW what "equity" means, it means discriminating against white straight people (men mostly), because it means you are paying attention to the race/sex/sexuality of those you accept as candidates to fill up a quota, there's no fucking way to achieve "equity" without discrimination.

But you carry on capping for the racist and sexist megacorporation.

Here is the video. Watch it for yourself, see with your own eyes if they're saying what you and Pundit and some others claim they said. I'd bet good money people won't watch, because the risk of seeing you're wrong. Why not continue with the fantasy you're right, when you can feel good about yourself that way? But we'll see. Dare you to actually look:

Quote from: Mistwell on February 20, 2023, 03:51:13 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 16, 2023, 05:20:56 PM
Mistwell: You can't be this dense, we KNOW what "equity" means, it means discriminating against white straight people (men mostly), because it means you are paying attention to the race/sex/sexuality of those you accept as candidates to fill up a quota, there's no fucking way to achieve "equity" without discrimination.

But you carry on capping for the racist and sexist megacorporation.

Here is the video. Watch it for yourself, see with your own eyes if they're saying what you and Pundit and some others claim they said. I'd bet good money people won't watch, because the risk of seeing you're wrong. Why not continue with the fantasy you're right, when you can feel good about yourself that way? But we'll see. Dare you to actually look:

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What conclusion should you draw from:

"We hear your concerns over the lack of diversity in this industry,
I'm certainly not the face of the hobby anymore being a cis-straight-white-male myself,
so the company is looking for more talent of a strictly diverse and non-cswm nature
because we want this company to have a legacy of fighting patriarchal-oppressive-whiteness."

I suppose I should rip up my resume to WotC before I even write it?

You can read the corporate dishonesty in all the previous letters, but not with this?

Quote from: ClusterFluster on February 20, 2023, 04:15:40 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on February 20, 2023, 03:51:13 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 16, 2023, 05:20:56 PM
Mistwell: You can't be this dense, we KNOW what "equity" means, it means discriminating against white straight people (men mostly), because it means you are paying attention to the race/sex/sexuality of those you accept as candidates to fill up a quota, there's no fucking way to achieve "equity" without discrimination.

But you carry on capping for the racist and sexist megacorporation.

Here is the video. Watch it for yourself, see with your own eyes if they're saying what you and Pundit and some others claim they said. I'd bet good money people won't watch, because the risk of seeing you're wrong. Why not continue with the fantasy you're right, when you can feel good about yourself that way? But we'll see. Dare you to actually look:

[/youtube][/youtube]

What conclusion should you draw from:

"We hear your concerns over the lack of diversity in this industry,
I'm certainly not the face of the hobby anymore being a cis-straight-white-male myself,
so the company is looking for more talent of a strictly diverse and non-cswm nature
because we want this company to have a legacy of fighting patriarchal-oppressive-whiteness."

I suppose I should rip up my resume to WotC before I even write it?

You can read the corporate dishonesty in all the previous letters, but not with this?

So I am right. Why believe your lying eyes and watch the actual video of what was said when you can take third-hand misquotes out of context and draw wild conclusions from it instead which match your biases, right?

Chicken.

Quote from: Mistwell on February 20, 2023, 03:51:13 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 16, 2023, 05:20:56 PM
Mistwell: You can't be this dense, we KNOW what "equity" means, it means discriminating against white straight people (men mostly), because it means you are paying attention to the race/sex/sexuality of those you accept as candidates to fill up a quota, there's no fucking way to achieve "equity" without discrimination.

But you carry on capping for the racist and sexist megacorporation.

Here is the video. Watch it for yourself, see with your own eyes if they're saying what you and Pundit and some others claim they said. I'd bet good money people won't watch, because the risk of seeing you're wrong. Why not continue with the fantasy you're right, when you can feel good about yourself that way? But we'll see. Dare you to actually look:

Everyone has watched the video, we all know that Brink stated he can't wait for people who look like him to be gone.  In the sentence before he made the slur, he was talking about the player base being perceived as white.  So either he wants black people removed from WotC D&D staff or he wants Jews to quit playing the game.  Does putting the race in it make it better?  Brink was talking about white people being gone either as co-workers or gamers.  It's a common left wing racist talking point when they are pandering to minorities, in this case blacks. 

It was stupid for Brink to let his left wing race politics to leak in an interview.  If you are a racist, keep the filth out of your public persona especially interviews.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on February 21, 2023, 03:45:21 AM
It was stupid for Brink to let his left wing race politics to leak in an interview.  If you are a racist, keep the filth out of your public persona especially interviews.

I'm not sure it was stupid - WoTC have been working hard on 'divide & conquer' tactics, stirring up race hate, and now Brink has a bunch of lefties defending his comments. Result. Plus it was a deflection tactic - the interviewers want blacks in well paid & powerful executive roles, so Brink starts talking about getting rid of basement dwelling white players, & hiring poorly paid PoC designers...

  Carrying ALOT of water for a guy who made a flat out anti white statement.  Why pretend the guy didnt make that clear?  Must we obfuscate and hide the fact a fellow is clearly making an anti white stance?   Strange for someone to run SO much interference for an anti white person. 

Mistwell and other similar Woke people tend to run interference or similar when the awoke pull this kind of shit. Not sure because it goes against their personal carefully constructed personal narratives. Or simply because if they don't their equally Woke compatriots may cancel them. In any case it's pathetic. It comes off as someone in an abusive relationship making excuses for their abusers bad behaviour. And remember everyone Mistwell is not Woke not at all. Kind of like the Jewish guy who eats non-koshers meals when it suits him.

Yes I saw the video so anyone saysI need to watch it can fuck off. I lost minutes of my life watching that trash.

Quote from: Abraxus on February 21, 2023, 08:43:37 AM
Yes I saw the video so anyone saysI need to watch it can fuck off. I lost minutes of my life watching that trash.

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 21, 2023, 08:55:40 AM

Quote from: Abraxus on February 21, 2023, 08:43:37 AM
Yes I saw the video so anyone saysI need to watch it can fuck off. I lost minutes of my life watching that trash.

Remember when Apu was allowed to speak?  Too bad, I guess for the ethnicity that has the highest median income in the US being shown as a business owner, with wife and large family was too much for the white left to handle.  It was funny when the Indian comic was complaining when they make over $141K median compared to whites at just under $75K median.  They should have Apu playing an Indian RPG for an episode... gee I wonder who wrote an Indian based RPG - wait the author isn't melanin enhanced.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on February 21, 2023, 09:35:38 AM

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 21, 2023, 08:55:40 AM

Quote from: Abraxus on February 21, 2023, 08:43:37 AM
Yes I saw the video so anyone saysI need to watch it can fuck off. I lost minutes of my life watching that trash.

Remember when Apu was allowed to speak?  Too bad, I guess for the ethnicity that has the highest median income in the US being shown as a business owner, with wife and large family was too much for the white left to handle.  It was funny when the Indian comic was complaining when they make over $141K median compared to whites at just under $75K median.  They should have Apu playing an Indian RPG for an episode... gee I wonder who wrote an Indian based RPG - wait the author isn't melanin enhanced.

Just as with the Speedy Gonzales 'controversy,' the so-called victim group actually has no problem with the character, but the white saviors know better.

Don't worry a year from now, most of the people outraged about all this will bend the knee and quietly fire up their Beyond Accounts and go right into D&D 6e.

Wizards already know the white-guys that they keep kicking are already bought and paid-for. If they lose them, Hasbro/WotC *doesn't* care (they should). They're looking to lock in all the Beyond subs they can, go whale-hunting, and their brand will quietly put 5e into the same corner where 4e sits. OneD&D will become officially 6e at some point, and all the dick-riders will line up, freshly lubed, to walk into the Beyond Subscription Garden where they will get the new D&D Experience(TM) made to order.

They will lose people, sure. They already have. The question is will all the marketing to "cultural victims of oppression" float the D&D Line? I don't think so. But enough white-guilt and casual consumer-grazers will, regardless of "racism against whites" rhetoric, potentially put them in the hairline profit margin of the ledger. And that's the bet they're making.

They don't want conscious consumers after all. They want Brand loyalists that will take the punch in the face, if they get mouthy or not. The solution is simple - be that conscious consumer. Curate your game at your table - that means market non-D&D games to your players. Cultivate good GMing and through that, good playing.

It may not kill D&D... but who cares? The D&D you and I know, was a dream that doesn't really depend on Hasbro. I don't even *want* to play the D&D they're serving up. If you do - that's fine. Prepare to get blasted in the mouth, figuratively, metaphorically, and if you're really unlucky, literally.

Quote from: Mistwell on February 21, 2023, 01:25:42 AM

Quote from: ClusterFluster on February 20, 2023, 04:15:40 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on February 20, 2023, 03:51:13 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 16, 2023, 05:20:56 PM
Mistwell: You can't be this dense, we KNOW what "equity" means, it means discriminating against white straight people (men mostly), because it means you are paying attention to the race/sex/sexuality of those you accept as candidates to fill up a quota, there's no fucking way to achieve "equity" without discrimination.

But you carry on capping for the racist and sexist megacorporation.

Here is the video. Watch it for yourself, see with your own eyes if they're saying what you and Pundit and some others claim they said. I'd bet good money people won't watch, because the risk of seeing you're wrong. Why not continue with the fantasy you're right, when you can feel good about yourself that way? But we'll see. Dare you to actually look:

[/youtube][/youtube]

What conclusion should you draw from:

"We hear your concerns over the lack of diversity in this industry,
I'm certainly not the face of the hobby anymore being a cis-straight-white-male myself,
so the company is looking for more talent of a strictly diverse and non-cswm nature
because we want this company to have a legacy of fighting patriarchal-oppressive-whiteness."

I suppose I should rip up my resume to WotC before I even write it?

You can read the corporate dishonesty in all the previous letters, but not with this?

So I am right. Why believe your lying eyes and watch the actual video of what was said when you can take third-hand misquotes out of context and draw wild conclusions from it instead which match your biases, right?

Chicken.

Thank God I've ignored the black DIEversity advocate's question about how they were going to put more DIEversity hires into WotC due the complete lack of DIEversity workers in the company up to this point.

Otherwise I'd have the context that made Brink's hand-gesture circling his own face imply the barrier to "competent" DIEversity hiring in WotC was people that look like him.

Hey, if there was another panelist on that stream, how many people would have been talking? Four, or Five?
Or only two people as seen in the interview because whites don't matter and blacks are akshually deities?

Has it ever occurred to you that your precious Pets of Colour don't care about D&D because they'd rather be drunk up in the club with 50 Cent and "shawty"? Even if the Wu-Tang don't fuck around like that, they all look at you wokies and think you're just pathetic losers who can't front for shit because you're a bunch of bubbly bitches.

You will never sell this game to them.

It's feel good vibes for your own majority-white maroon-movement pity-party.

Protect ya neck when you bring that mothafuckin ruckus, cracker kid, your pink feather boas won't do that for you.

  I expect that in a couple of years, WotC will put out a statement making it clear that players of every race, ethnicity, sexual identity, sexual orientation, etc., are welcome, so long as they bear the Mark. 

Quote from: tenbones on February 21, 2023, 10:30:36 AM
Don't worry a year from now, most of the people outraged about all this will bend the knee and quietly fire up their Beyond Accounts and go right into D&D 6e.

What?  No way.  This has been kept under wraps pretty well.  If you post the quote in context on reddit you will get downvoted and you may get your post removed, depending on the mods.  If your reply gets any visibility then people will come in and lie and say it didn't happen.  There's people in this thread trying to defend it, or claim it wasn't real, when it is right fucking there, in context.

I doubt anyone who cares about this has a Beyond account, or gives Hasbro any money.  If there is even one person who does though, they'll never forgive and never forget.  But overall this incident isn't well known at all in the gaming community, and it's been damage-controlled a lot, and there isn't any mass movement away from WotC for it.  Oh, the guy hired to be anti-white said something anti-white?  Corporate might give him a raise.

QuoteWizards already know the white-guys that they keep kicking are already bought and paid-for.

This part I agree with.  Generally this is one of many events that should have been a big deal but wasn't because of how controlled the discourse is.  It will take a lot of these events- like a huge montage worth- to get a regular dude to really say, ok, I guess it might be worth having to put up with gaslighters and internet warriors to actually go on the record as Somewhat Angry About This Bullshit.  We aren't there yet, and I doubt we are particularly close.