Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 16, 2023, 11:51:51 AM
Corporation X big wig2: We discriminate by race and sex on hiring (something he admited on a different podcast)
Corporation X big wig2: In my view white straight men can't leave the workforce at Corporation X fast enough for this hobby.
People: That's fucking racist, sexist and it shows what Corporation X thinks/feels about their customers of said demographic.
Mistwell: He didn't said gamers should leave the hobby!

Dude, would you say that if they were racially discriminating against black people it would be a safe bet to assume they hate the black people that are customers of theirs?

By all means keep caping for the racist/sexist megacorporation.

I will say again that I think Hasbro/WotC is a soulless megacorporation, and I don't trust a damn what they say.

You are claiming that you believe they are genuinely racist and sexist against white men. I am doubtful of that claim, because the only evidence of it is a few words from one of their 100% white male management.

I think it's more likely that they are not in fact racist and sexist against white men, and that instead, Brink was simply spouting empty words that he thought the interviewers wanted to hear.

Quote from: jhkim on February 16, 2023, 01:02:52 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 16, 2023, 11:51:51 AM
Corporation X big wig2: We discriminate by race and sex on hiring (something he admited on a different podcast)
Corporation X big wig2: In my view white straight men can't leave the workforce at Corporation X fast enough for this hobby.
People: That's fucking racist, sexist and it shows what Corporation X thinks/feels about their customers of said demographic.
Mistwell: He didn't said gamers should leave the hobby!

Dude, would you say that if they were racially discriminating against black people it would be a safe bet to assume they hate the black people that are customers of theirs?

By all means keep caping for the racist/sexist megacorporation.

I will say again that I think Hasbro/WotC is a soulless megacorporation, and I don't trust a damn what they say.

You are claiming that you believe they are genuinely racist and sexist against white men. I am doubtful of that claim, because the only evidence of it is a few words from one of their 100% white male management.

I think it's more likely that they are not in fact racist and sexist against white men, and that instead, Brink was simply spouting empty words that he thought the interviewers wanted to hear.

Yes, interviewers who were all African-American and whose entire YouTube presence is marketed as being such. Now I do think Kyle is telling the truth that he is older, and he is planning to retire in the next decade, and he does think the management should better be able to understand who their customer is by having life experiences which are more typical of their customers. He explains he started at age 11 in 1978 with D&D which puts him at age 56 and he probably doesn't have the kinds of experiences of a typical 20-something D&D customer these days. But I also think he doesn't necessarily care what race his someday-replace might be, just that they understand the marketplace better than he does at his age. But when asked directly by a front-facing African-American youtube show he's going to address it in that context. They're about race so he's going to talk about race.

Quote from: Mistwell on February 16, 2023, 01:47:18 PM

Quote from: jhkim on February 16, 2023, 01:02:52 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 16, 2023, 11:51:51 AM
Corporation X big wig2: We discriminate by race and sex on hiring (something he admited on a different podcast)
Corporation X big wig2: In my view white straight men can't leave the workforce at Corporation X fast enough for this hobby.
People: That's fucking racist, sexist and it shows what Corporation X thinks/feels about their customers of said demographic.
Mistwell: He didn't said gamers should leave the hobby!

Dude, would you say that if they were racially discriminating against black people it would be a safe bet to assume they hate the black people that are customers of theirs?

By all means keep caping for the racist/sexist megacorporation.

I will say again that I think Hasbro/WotC is a soulless megacorporation, and I don't trust a damn what they say.

You are claiming that you believe they are genuinely racist and sexist against white men. I am doubtful of that claim, because the only evidence of it is a few words from one of their 100% white male management.

I think it's more likely that they are not in fact racist and sexist against white men, and that instead, Brink was simply spouting empty words that he thought the interviewers wanted to hear.

Yes, interviewers who were all African-American and whose entire YouTube presence is marketed as being such. Now I do think Kyle is telling the truth that he is older, and he is planning to retire in the next decade, and he does think the management should better be able to understand who their customer is by having life experiences which are more typical of their customers. He explains he started at age 11 in 1978 with D&D which puts him at age 56 and he probably doesn't have the kinds of experiences of a typical 20-something D&D customer these days. But I also think he doesn't necessarily care what race his someday-replace might be, just that they understand the marketplace better than he does at his age. But when asked directly by a front-facing African-American youtube show he's going to address it in that context. They're about race so he's going to talk about race.

So on the other podcast where the guy was also white and he said they DO discriminate on a racial/sexual basis on their recruitment?

Like I said, you both are just caping for the megacorp. Carry on.

  This back and forth about the "real racists" is a complete waste of time.  At this point its a word with no meaning or just means what it has to for the leftist screeching it.  Everyone accept being racist is a looong ways away from the worst thing you can be, its not illegal to be such, and it is your right to be so. Then lets just stick with x's and o's and objective facts and reality.  If WOTC is anti white, so be it.  If you are white and want to deal with them, go for it.  If you are not and want to deal with them, do so.  But once a person tells younwho they really are, or declares you their enemy, listen and believe.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 16, 2023, 11:51:51 AM

Quote from: Mistwell on February 16, 2023, 11:44:17 AM

There is even more than just those three points if you have the full clip but yes, he's obviously talking about his small management team and anyone honest knows that immediately if they're actually watching what he said.

But it doesn't match with people's anti-woke agenda, so people twist it here and then make outrageous claims like Brad just did that what was actually said is the opposite of what was said and everyone except a shill knows that....despite reality not in any way matching that claim.

I mean Brad, and you, can call Kyle a liar sure. But at least admit what he said.

Corporation X big wig2: We discriminate by race and sex on hiring (something he admited on a different podcast)

OK let's talk about that. What he said (as opposed to your spin summary) is he wants a DIVERSE POOL OF CANDIDATES and then once he has that pool he will pick the best person for the job in that pool without regard to race. He also says right now a lot of minorities are in the lower-down ranks and working their way up through the ranks, which he is happy about because it means they will get to that pool of candidates for promotions and they will get to have that pool of diverse candidates. But he wishes it was going faster because they don't have enough qualified candidates yet in that pool.

QuoteCorporation X big wig2: In my view white straight men can't leave the workforce at Corporation X fast enough for this hobby.

Right, more spin. What he said was that he thinks, at his age of 56, that they (meaning specifically his small group of management - I think it's 7 people?) can't leave the workforce fast enough to promote people up fast enough to actually get to a diverse group of managers any time soon. He explains this pretty extensively throughout the interviews, though it's in different places. That, again, he just doesn't have the pool of diverse candidates high up enough with enough experience yet, and part of that reason is people are not retiring fast enough for there to be higher up jobs. Too many of the diverse candidates are still at the writing stage or the art stage or the editing or layout stage, and they're not even middle management yet to qualify for upper management yet so they're not in that pool to draw from to be promoted yet to upper management, and part of that logjam is "The Cis White Men" (he doesn't say straight) are not leaving their workforce at the upper levels so it's going slow. But they promote from within, and they promote based on experience to qualify for a pool of candidates, and he's proof of that as he's only been in that job (again at age 56) for two years and he got the job because he worked his way up through the system like everyone else.

None of that, to me, is racist employment policies. It's understandable frustration that they're just not making progress, but they're not going to promote inexperienced people to make that progress. Which, had you actually watched the videos (which are long and there are like 5 of them now so it's understandable you have not) you would have seen all of that.

QuotePeople: That's fucking racist, sexist and it shows what Corporation X thinks/feels about their customers of said demographic.
Mistwell: He didn't said gamers should leave the hobby!

Right but they clearly don't feel that about their customers. EVERYTHING they've done and said disputes that. They 1) want more money, not less, and shooing away a huge chunk of their fanbase would run counter that very clearly stated goal, and 2) they have not actually DONE any of that as all of their managers are cis white older males right now, and 3) they don't say any of that either.

So when ZERO evidence supports your assumptions, you should question your assumptions rather than double and triple down on them.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 16, 2023, 01:50:42 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on February 16, 2023, 01:47:18 PM

Quote from: jhkim on February 16, 2023, 01:02:52 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 16, 2023, 11:51:51 AM
Corporation X big wig2: We discriminate by race and sex on hiring (something he admited on a different podcast)
Corporation X big wig2: In my view white straight men can't leave the workforce at Corporation X fast enough for this hobby.
People: That's fucking racist, sexist and it shows what Corporation X thinks/feels about their customers of said demographic.
Mistwell: He didn't said gamers should leave the hobby!

Dude, would you say that if they were racially discriminating against black people it would be a safe bet to assume they hate the black people that are customers of theirs?

By all means keep caping for the racist/sexist megacorporation.

I will say again that I think Hasbro/WotC is a soulless megacorporation, and I don't trust a damn what they say.

You are claiming that you believe they are genuinely racist and sexist against white men. I am doubtful of that claim, because the only evidence of it is a few words from one of their 100% white male management.

I think it's more likely that they are not in fact racist and sexist against white men, and that instead, Brink was simply spouting empty words that he thought the interviewers wanted to hear.

Yes, interviewers who were all African-American and whose entire YouTube presence is marketed as being such. Now I do think Kyle is telling the truth that he is older, and he is planning to retire in the next decade, and he does think the management should better be able to understand who their customer is by having life experiences which are more typical of their customers. He explains he started at age 11 in 1978 with D&D which puts him at age 56 and he probably doesn't have the kinds of experiences of a typical 20-something D&D customer these days. But I also think he doesn't necessarily care what race his someday-replace might be, just that they understand the marketplace better than he does at his age. But when asked directly by a front-facing African-American youtube show he's going to address it in that context. They're about race so he's going to talk about race.

So on the other podcast where the guy was also white and he said they DO discriminate on a racial/sexual basis on their recruitment?

Like I said, you both are just caping for the megacorp. Carry on.

He doesn't say that in that video though, but I already replied about that.

Quote from: oggsmash on February 16, 2023, 01:55:35 PM
  This back and forth about the "real racists" is a complete waste of time.  At this point its a word with no meaning or just means what it has to for the leftist screeching it.  Everyone accept being racist is a looong ways away from the worst thing you can be, its not illegal to be such, and it is your right to be so. Then lets just stick with x's and o's and objective facts and reality.  If WOTC is anti white, so be it.  If you are white and want to deal with them, go for it.  If you are not and want to deal with them, do so.  But once a person tells younwho they really are, or declares you their enemy, listen and believe.

We're disputing, directly and with evidence, that they "told you who they really are" or that they have "declared you their enemy". So yes, listen and believe, but START with the listen to what they actually say as opposed to some snippets some dude looking for clicks is telling you they said here.

Quote from: Mistwell on February 16, 2023, 02:01:17 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 16, 2023, 01:50:42 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on February 16, 2023, 01:47:18 PM

Quote from: jhkim on February 16, 2023, 01:02:52 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 16, 2023, 11:51:51 AM
Corporation X big wig2: We discriminate by race and sex on hiring (something he admited on a different podcast)
Corporation X big wig2: In my view white straight men can't leave the workforce at Corporation X fast enough for this hobby.
People: That's fucking racist, sexist and it shows what Corporation X thinks/feels about their customers of said demographic.
Mistwell: He didn't said gamers should leave the hobby!

Dude, would you say that if they were racially discriminating against black people it would be a safe bet to assume they hate the black people that are customers of theirs?

By all means keep caping for the racist/sexist megacorporation.

I will say again that I think Hasbro/WotC is a soulless megacorporation, and I don't trust a damn what they say.

You are claiming that you believe they are genuinely racist and sexist against white men. I am doubtful of that claim, because the only evidence of it is a few words from one of their 100% white male management.

I think it's more likely that they are not in fact racist and sexist against white men, and that instead, Brink was simply spouting empty words that he thought the interviewers wanted to hear.

Yes, interviewers who were all African-American and whose entire YouTube presence is marketed as being such. Now I do think Kyle is telling the truth that he is older, and he is planning to retire in the next decade, and he does think the management should better be able to understand who their customer is by having life experiences which are more typical of their customers. He explains he started at age 11 in 1978 with D&D which puts him at age 56 and he probably doesn't have the kinds of experiences of a typical 20-something D&D customer these days. But I also think he doesn't necessarily care what race his someday-replace might be, just that they understand the marketplace better than he does at his age. But when asked directly by a front-facing African-American youtube show he's going to address it in that context. They're about race so he's going to talk about race.

So on the other podcast where the guy was also white and he said they DO discriminate on a racial/sexual basis on their recruitment?

Like I said, you both are just caping for the megacorp. Carry on.

He doesn't say that in that video though, but I already replied about that.

https://archive.is/lZ4rL

"The hiring process has equity targets to bring in a representative sample of candidates, after which it is who is the best candidate.​"

But I'm sure enworld is a right wing rag pushing lies to defame WotC

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 16, 2023, 02:12:22 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on February 16, 2023, 02:01:17 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 16, 2023, 01:50:42 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on February 16, 2023, 01:47:18 PM

Quote from: jhkim on February 16, 2023, 01:02:52 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 16, 2023, 11:51:51 AM
Corporation X big wig2: We discriminate by race and sex on hiring (something he admited on a different podcast)
Corporation X big wig2: In my view white straight men can't leave the workforce at Corporation X fast enough for this hobby.
People: That's fucking racist, sexist and it shows what Corporation X thinks/feels about their customers of said demographic.
Mistwell: He didn't said gamers should leave the hobby!

Dude, would you say that if they were racially discriminating against black people it would be a safe bet to assume they hate the black people that are customers of theirs?

By all means keep caping for the racist/sexist megacorporation.

I will say again that I think Hasbro/WotC is a soulless megacorporation, and I don't trust a damn what they say.

You are claiming that you believe they are genuinely racist and sexist against white men. I am doubtful of that claim, because the only evidence of it is a few words from one of their 100% white male management.

I think it's more likely that they are not in fact racist and sexist against white men, and that instead, Brink was simply spouting empty words that he thought the interviewers wanted to hear.

Yes, interviewers who were all African-American and whose entire YouTube presence is marketed as being such. Now I do think Kyle is telling the truth that he is older, and he is planning to retire in the next decade, and he does think the management should better be able to understand who their customer is by having life experiences which are more typical of their customers. He explains he started at age 11 in 1978 with D&D which puts him at age 56 and he probably doesn't have the kinds of experiences of a typical 20-something D&D customer these days. But I also think he doesn't necessarily care what race his someday-replace might be, just that they understand the marketplace better than he does at his age. But when asked directly by a front-facing African-American youtube show he's going to address it in that context. They're about race so he's going to talk about race.

So on the other podcast where the guy was also white and he said they DO discriminate on a racial/sexual basis on their recruitment?

Like I said, you both are just caping for the megacorp. Carry on.

He doesn't say that in that video though, but I already replied about that.

https://archive.is/lZ4rL

"The hiring process has equity targets to bring in a representative sample of candidates, after which it is who is the best candidate.​"

But I'm sure enworld is a right wing rag pushing lies to defame WotC

No that is exactly repeating what I said, but not what you said. What I think is happening here is you don't understand that sentence and think it means something different?

When I said they want a diverse pool of qualified candidates and then they choose the best candidate from that pool, what did you think I meant which would be different from "The hiring process has equity targets to bring in a representative sample of candidates, after which it is who is the best candidate.​"

And if you agree I said the same thing, then what the heck do you think that sentence is saying? Are you imagining "equity target" means "must meet this even by promoting unqualified candidates?" Are you imagining they dismiss qualified white cis men so they can put trans black women in the pool? They don't and that's not what an equity target means. It means "This is what we're aiming for, so lets do better to ATTRACT MORE QUALIFIED CANDIDATES WHO MATCH THAT TARGET TO APPLY TO OUR JOBS." That's not "racial discrimination." What, are you pissed you might have to compete with black people for the same job, even if they're giving the job to the best candidate between you and an equally qualified black person? If that's not what you're pissed about, WTF is pissing you off about an equity target for a candidate pool?

Here, again, is what I said further on that. It's correct and matches with that quote, you just don't seem to understand the quote I guess and think it's some gotcha?

Quote from: MistwellWhat he said was that he thinks, at his age of 56, that they (meaning specifically his small group of management - I think it's 7 people?) can't leave the workforce fast enough to promote people up fast enough to actually get to a diverse group of managers any time soon. He explains this pretty extensively throughout the interviews, though it's in different places. That, again, he just doesn't have the pool of diverse candidates high up enough with enough experience yet, and part of that reason is people are not retiring fast enough for there to be higher up jobs. Too many of the diverse candidates are still at the writing stage or the art stage or the editing or layout stage, and they're not even middle management yet to qualify for upper management yet so they're not in that pool to draw from to be promoted yet to upper management, and part of that logjam is "The Cis White Men" (he doesn't say straight) are not leaving their workforce at the upper levels so it's going slow. But they promote from within, and they promote based on experience to qualify for a pool of candidates, and he's proof of that as he's only been in that job (again at age 56) for two years and he got the job because he worked his way up through the system like everyone else.

None of that, to me, is racist employment policies. It's understandable frustration that they're just not making progress, but they're not going to promote inexperienced people to make that progress. Which, had you actually watched the videos (which are long and there are like 5 of them now so it's understandable you have not) you would have seen all of that.

Mistwell: You can't be this dense, we KNOW what "equity" means, it means discriminating against white straight people (men mostly), because it means you are paying attention to the race/sex/sexuality of those you accept as candidates to fill up a quota, there's no fucking way to achieve "equity" without discrimination.

But you carry on capping for the racist and sexist megacorporation.

It's incredibly dishonest to pretend like disqualifying applicants from a given position, purely because they are White (or Male, or not sexual deviants) isn't discrimination. The desperate confabulation isn't fooling anyone.

Quote from: Zelen on February 16, 2023, 06:38:08 PM
It's incredibly dishonest to pretend like disqualifying applicants from a given position, purely because they are White (or Male, or not sexual deviants) isn't discrimination. The desperate confabulation isn't fooling anyone.

Ah but the conceit is that ultra competent women and minorities have been clamouring to get in to places, only to be turned away purely because of characteristics, while incompetent white guys get an auto-pass. So no matter how much you block white guys, you're just balancing the systemic -isms and good lord my brain is leaking out of my ear.

Quote from: Mistwell on February 16, 2023, 01:47:18 PMNow I do think Kyle is telling the truth that he is older, and he is planning to retire in the next decade, and he does think the management should better be able to understand who their customer is by having life experiences which are more typical of their customers.

Gotta love how all across the West, rich old white guys pull the ladders up after them, in a way that, had their forebears done so, they themselves would never have gotten a chance. Fuck you, I've got mine, time to throw you to the circling sharks so I can die in peace.

Also they're not hiring by life experience. A table with 4 white guys (wealthy NY Jew, Appalachian coal miner, Texas rancher, and a inner city teacher) would have way more diversity than 4 black people from the same Ivy league schools.

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 17, 2023, 12:22:03 AM

Quote from: Mistwell on February 16, 2023, 01:47:18 PMNow I do think Kyle is telling the truth that he is older, and he is planning to retire in the next decade, and he does think the management should better be able to understand who their customer is by having life experiences which are more typical of their customers.

Gotta love how all across the West, rich old white guys pull the ladders up after them, in a way that, had their forebears done so, they themselves would never have gotten a chance. Fuck you, I've got mine, time to throw you to the circling sharks so I can die in peace.

Also they're not hiring by life experience. A table with 4 white guys (wealthy NY Jew, Appalachian coal miner, Texas rancher, and a inner city teacher) would have way more diversity than 4 black people from the same Ivy league schools.

Ah, but you forget that to the "Anti-Racist" Race = Culture/Life Experience, unlike the racists who think that Life Experience/Culture = Race.

the eagles done wrote this one "already gone" I think it's called.