My experience is that females have always been involved in our RPG games, but males have always been the majority. When I was a boy it was mostly male (although I do remember two girls that were involved). By high school and into college maybe a third of the group was female (often girlfriends who got involved that way). There was *never* any desire to exclude females. Quite the opposite: even when I was a boy thought it was great if a girl wanted to play.

My kids have their own groups, now. One group is 100% male. The other is about 50/50 male and female (that one was put together by one of my daughters).

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on February 08, 2023, 11:54:38 PM
breaking his companies HR policy for publicly stating he wants to violate Title IX?

Psst.. Title VII

Quote from: Philotomy Jurament on February 10, 2023, 05:08:16 PM
My experience is that females have always been involved in our RPG games, but males have always been the majority. When I was a boy it was mostly male (although I do remember two girls that were involved). By high school and into college maybe a third of the group was female (often girlfriends who got involved that way). There was *never* any desire to exclude females. Quite the opposite: even when I was a boy thought it was great if a girl wanted to play.

Yeah, same here. We had women play sometimes and were always pumped for it. I never experienced or saw the whole "No Girls Allowed" thing except in movies or on TV, so when I hear people talk of it, seems really strange. /shrug

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Quote from: honeydipperdavid on February 08, 2023, 11:54:38 PM
breaking his companies HR policy for publicly stating he wants to violate Title IX?

Psst.. Title VII

It's an understandable mistake. Title IX is much more widely publicized.

Also, it's both Title VI and Title VII. Kyle didn't say anything about kicking out white women.

Had one girl play with our group in high school (early '80s).  Didn't have any others interested I guess.  It was never a big deal.  Both my wife and daughter play occasionally, but aren't as interested in playing as my son and I.  They're always welcome.  I play with people I like, who like to play games and are not assholes.  Pretty simple.  That disqualifies self hating, virtue signaling douchebags like Brink.

The irony is many claiming that they were gatekeeper from the hobby because of gender are hypocrites of the highest calibre. As before they showed an interest in rpgs most considered gamers of any kind either "nerds, losers etc". Hardly speaking to them let alone giving them the time of day.

Many refuse to admit they treated the above terribly it's easier to create a victim narrative rather than actually admit as teenagers they were horrible people who treated fellow geeks terribly.

Same thing with any gay , trans etc. up until I would say the late 90s even then in my area no one was admitting to being gay and trans the only thing trans was trans fat. Again rather than admit they were in the closet or worse because at the time society was extremely intolerant of them (and no not just catholic and Christians) create a false victim narrative. Where they were banned because of their sexuality. In many cases unfortunately they kept it hidden because they would either be ostracized by family, society and their jobs. Sorry so called woke 1980- late 1990s North America was not by any stretch of the imagination progressive. No matter how many carefully constructed personal narratives envisioned in your heads.

We never turned anyone away because we were one social misfits that were mocked for liking comics, rpgs. Fantasy and Science Fiction. Having been made fun of why would we not be more accepting.

Quote from: Abraxus on February 11, 2023, 12:24:31 PM
The irony is many claiming that they were gatekeeper from the hobby because of gender are hypocrites of the highest calibre. As before they showed an interest in rpgs most considered gamers of any kind either "nerds, losers etc". Hardly speaking to them let alone giving them the time of day.

Many refuse to admit they treated the above terribly it's easier to create a victim narrative rather than actually admit as teenagers they were horrible people who treated fellow geeks terribly.

Same thing with any gay , trans etc. up until I would say the late 90s even then in my area no one was admitting to being gay and trans the only thing trans was trans fat. Again rather than admit they were in the closet or worse because at the time society was extremely intolerant of them (and no not just catholic and Christians) create a false victim narrative. Where they were banned because of their sexuality. In many cases unfortunately they kept it hidden because they would either be ostracized by family, society and their jobs. Sorry so called woke 1980- late 1990s North America was not by any stretch of the imagination progressive. No matter how many carefully constructed personal narratives envisioned in your heads.

We never turned anyone away because we were one social misfits that were mocked for liking comics, rpgs. Fantasy and Science Fiction. Having been made fun of why would we not be more accepting.

The fellow geeks aren't the ones making the gatekeeping libel (or is it slander?) accusations, it's the horrible people that, NOW THAT IS TRENDY/COOL to like the stuff they used to treat us horribly for come and want to expell us from OUR culture. Because they still don't like us, they just want to control our shit.

Then you have the postmodernist culture warriors that believe in social constructivism, so they need to control culture to change humanity into the perfect beings they think we really are but culture/society programs us otherwise.

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I know stuff like 5E has managed to substantially up the number of women and Western-minorities (although still a blip, they're deluding themselves) but I put it to you (dear reader) that this has only been done by becoming a lifestyle brand fad and reducing mechanical complexity.

Being maths heavy and very complex has always been a complaint from women wanting in to the hobby. If you were a woman and you didn't mind those things, you were an outlier, and already in the hobby having fun.

Ah yes famous women-lead OSR movement trying to restore simple old school rules, because post 3.0 D&D turned out to be unwieldy arithmetic exercise of stacking dozens bonuses

Quote from: Wrath of God on February 11, 2023, 08:47:02 PM

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I know stuff like 5E has managed to substantially up the number of women and Western-minorities (although still a blip, they're deluding themselves) but I put it to you (dear reader) that this has only been done by becoming a lifestyle brand fad and reducing mechanical complexity.

Being maths heavy and very complex has always been a complaint from women wanting in to the hobby. If you were a woman and you didn't mind those things, you were an outlier, and already in the hobby having fun.

Ah yes famous women-lead OSR movement trying to restore simple old school rules, because post 3.0 D&D turned out to be unwieldy arithmetic exercise of stacking dozens bonuses

I wonder if the men that perpetuate this are aware of how infantilizing it is to say women can't do simple arithmetic operations like addition and substraction.

As for the women who make those claims (if they exist), well fuck off elsewhere then, why should OUR thing, that isn't really math heavy nor really complex change to suit your ignorant or lazy ass? There's plenty of women that have joined and enojoyed the hobby without those changes you claim are keeping wahmen out, so fuck off.

It's the "we demand you change the thing" meme over, and over again.

No, I refuse to believe women are so stupid as to not be able to do arithmetics or learn a few simple rules, and to the mysoginists that say otherwise well they can fuck righ off too.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 11, 2023, 09:20:30 PMNo, I refuse to believe women are so stupid as to not be able to do arithmetics or learn a few simple rules, and to the mysoginists that say otherwise well they can fuck righ off too.

I think you meant to post this pearl-clutching virtue signal on the Big Purple.

"I refuse to believe!" ""misogynists!" do you even hear yourself? Reality doesn't care.

The fraction of women that enjoy rpg's TEND to not enjoy the mechanical crunch AS MUCH as the fraction of men that enjoy RPG's, but there are certainly exceptions = women are infants and can't do arithmatic!



The Nordic countries bent over till their spines snapped to create a gender neutral society so tech and engineering would swell once the women weren't gate kept by mean old men. You know what happened?

https://www.thejournal.ie/gender-equality-countries-stem-girls-3848156-Feb2018/

I had no idea my backward, caveman-esque misogyny was so powerful! Or, and this is far fetched, so hear me out here: men and women in general have different interest, maybe even capabilities.

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 11, 2023, 09:55:58 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 11, 2023, 09:20:30 PMNo, I refuse to believe women are so stupid as to not be able to do arithmetics or learn a few simple rules, and to the mysoginists that say otherwise well they can fuck righ off too.

I think you meant to post this pearl-clutching virtue signal on the Big Purple.

"I refuse to believe!" ""misogynists!" do you even hear yourself? Reality doesn't care.

The fraction of women that enjoy rpg's TEND to not enjoy the mechanical crunch AS MUCH as the fraction of men that enjoy RPG's, but there are certainly exceptions = women are infants and can't do arithmatic!



The Nordic countries bent over till their spines snapped to create a gender neutral society so tech and engineering would swell once the women weren't gate kept by mean old men. You know what happened?

https://www.thejournal.ie/gender-equality-countries-stem-girls-3848156-Feb2018/

I had no idea my backward, caveman-esque misogyny was so powerful! Or, and this is far fetched, so hear me out here: men and women in general have different interest, maybe even capabilities.

So, somehow the women in India have more math capabilities?

Nope, when you talk about career choice it's not only (or mainly) about what you're good at, but what you like. So, in more wealthy societies when you flaten the societal aspect to make it more egalitarian you end up exacerbating the preference differences.

But I'm so glad you and the imbeciles at WotC and other SJW infested places agree that women are like children and can't do arithmetics. (Wonder who should be posting on TBP between you and me since they also agree that it's the math/complexity keeping the wahmen out).

Yes, thinking women inferior IS mysoginy, which means that you are?.

I gatekeep my group like a motherfucker, the minute I hear pronouns, genital hole preference, I'm a dragon kin I want to express myself with that dragon etc its a "we aren't the right group for you" or the swipe left when looking for a player.  But my chat is fairly conservative as we are playing, hell I use Fetterman's face as my hill giant token.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 11, 2023, 10:18:08 PMNope, when you talk about career choice it's not only (or mainly) about what you're good at, but what you like. So, in more wealthy societies when you flaten the societal aspect to make it more egalitarian you end up exacerbating the preference differences.

Yes, and women in general like people over things, language and interaction over stats and figures.

I laid out a very long and nuanced argument about women in gaming, mentioned repeatedly these were generalities and their were exceptions. Nowhere in a single post did I say women are infants, and can't learn basic rules or math. Go and find me these quotes, or STFU.

You got triggered, pulled a strawman from your asshole, and started trying to appeal to emotion to draw people to attack me. You've acted like an clown.

You even agreed with me by saying women that can't handle some maths and rules should find another hobby, (after I'd already said women who don't mind those things have always been in the hobby, and we shouldn't dumb down to try and appeal to different women) but you were so busy honking your red nose that this fact flew over your head.

Just take the L and move on.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on February 11, 2023, 10:25:37 PM
I gatekeep my group like a motherfucker, the minute I hear pronouns, genital hole preference, I'm a dragon kin I want to express myself with that dragon etc its a "we aren't the right group for you" or the swipe left when looking for a player.  But my chat is fairly conservative as we are playing, hell I use Fetterman's face as my hill giant token.

Good for you. I don't care a damn what people's lifestyles or fetishes are, but as you rightly discerned, some words and phrases are a giant glowing sign that reads DRAMA QUEEN.

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 11, 2023, 10:52:13 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 11, 2023, 10:18:08 PMNope, when you talk about career choice it's not only (or mainly) about what you're good at, but what you like. So, in more wealthy societies when you flaten the societal aspect to make it more egalitarian you end up exacerbating the preference differences.

Yes, and women in general like people over things, language and interaction over stats and figures.

I laid out a very long and nuanced argument about women in gaming, mentioned repeatedly these were generalities and their were exceptions. Nowhere in a single post did I say women are infants, and can't learn basic rules or math. Go and find me these quotes, or STFU.

You got triggered, pulled a strawman from your asshole, and started trying to appeal to emotion to draw people to attack me. You've acted like an clown.

You even agreed with me by saying women that can't handle some maths and rules should find another hobby, (after I'd already said women who don't mind those things have always been in the hobby, and we shouldn't dumb down to try and appeal to different women) but you were so busy honking your red nose that this fact flew over your head.

Just take the L and move on.

I never would agree with you that women are infants and can't do arithmetics.

Here's your "nuanced" argument that you claim I strawmaned:

QuoteThe fraction of women that enjoy rpg's TEND to not enjoy the mechanical crunch AS MUCH as the fraction of men that enjoy RPG's, but there are certainly exceptions = women are infants and can't do arithmatic!

Now take the L and go pound sand with the mysoginists at WotC, TBP.