Kyle Brink, number 2 man at Wizards and head of D&D, has just declared that white people "cannot leave the (D&D) hobby quick enough".
Will Hasbro/Wizards support his position against gamers?
#dnd #dnd5e #hasbro #OneDnD #DnDBeyond#ttrpg #osr 

Hasbro will say nothing do nothing, they won't fire him, apologize or anything, it's politically acceptable to hate on white dudes.

I, for one, agree with him.
White men should leave DnD. Let's see how well their sales are after that.

I agree, that we can't leave from supporting their brand fast enough.

I'll do whatever I want to with what I already own of theirs, but I don't want to buy WOTC products anymore.  I can't leave from that fast enough.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 07, 2023, 11:36:42 PM
Hasbro will say nothing do nothing, they won't fire him, apologize or anything, it's politically acceptable to hate on white dudes.

^100%^

But it will make them squirm for a week or so.

Especially since even their best 'out of context' defense is that he was just talking about purging whites from creative and dev positions.

Which they struggle to say anything about when that is pointed out.

It's fun to watch them dance.

Leadership roles may have, what, half a dozen positions?

So in a country that is still majority white, 6 white guys happened to be the best for the job is somehow proof that everything is racist, and we need a shake up.

I'll put a thousand dollars down on the barrel. If you can get a progressive to go to a business that happens to have 6 women/black people/Asians as leadership, and have the progressive tell them they're racist/sexist and need a few white guys.

I think my money is safe.

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 08, 2023, 04:39:26 PM
Leadership roles may have, what, half a dozen positions?

So in a country that is still majority white, 6 white guys happened to be the best for the job is somehow proof that everything is racist, and we need a shake up.

I'll put a thousand dollars down on the barrel. If you can get a progressive to go to a business that happens to have 6 women/black people/Asians as leadership, and have the progressive tell them they're racist/sexist and need a few white guys.

I think my money is safe.

D.I.E. only ever cuts one way my dude.

As you have read you can't be racist against white people, sexist against men or phobic against straights/gays (if you're a pronoun wearer).

Yes, the people at Hasbro are evil, but they're also stupid. The OGL debacle clearly demonstrated that lots of people are finally mentally ready to at least partially boycott Hasbro, and leave for greener pastures.....by giving other games a chance.

People don't need Hasbro's brand identity to create, market, and play in dungeon delving and orc-bashing TTRPGs. All this OGL wankery made this completely obvious. Let them have their precious digital ghetto. It doesn't matter how much ESG investment capital Hasbro receives, if tons of people just boycott them.

Play other TTRPGs. Buy other TTRPGs. You don't need Hasbro's IP to roll a d20, and throw a pie in an orc's face.

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 08, 2023, 04:39:26 PM
Leadership roles may have, what, half a dozen positions?

So in a country that is still majority white, 6 white guys happened to be the best for the job is somehow proof that everything is racist, and we need a shake up.

I'll put a thousand dollars down on the barrel. If you can get a progressive to go to a business that happens to have 6 women/black people/Asians as leadership, and have the progressive tell them they're racist/sexist and need a few white guys.

I think my money is safe.

The odds of seeing a black person anywhere near their Renton headquarters is about 1 in 140.
Maybe they should move to a more diverse community. 
One where "marginalized" people can afford to live and work. 

Good vid.

Quote from: DocJones on February 08, 2023, 07:28:51 PM
The odds of seeing a black person anywhere near their Renton headquarters is about 1 in 140.
Maybe they should move to a more diverse community. 
One where "marginalized" people can afford to live and work.

Where are you getting that? From the census data I see, the city of Renton is 48% white, 24% Asian, 11% mixed race, and 8% black. (Also 15% Hispanic or Latino of all races.)

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/rentoncitywashington

I don't think that percentages are proof of bias, but I also don't think that all racism and sexism are long gone from society, as Grognard GM has claimed. Here on theRPGsite, we've had three notable bannings for overt racism in the last year or so - griswald, psiandco, and Alathon. And that's just people who are open about it. If I just look at the current news, I see discrimination lawsuits for supervisor behavior of "jokes" like "What's the best way to see a black man? At the end of a scope." There are also lawsuits over discrimination against whites, which exists as well. It's not like one implies that the other can't exist anywhere.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 07, 2023, 11:36:42 PM
Hasbro will say nothing do nothing, they won't fire him, apologize or anything, it's politically acceptable to hate on white dudes.

Absolutely! White dudes are human pinatas for the big corps. and the media.

Quote from: jhkim on February 08, 2023, 08:52:46 PMI don't think that percentages are proof of bias, but I also don't think that all racism and sexism are long gone from society, as Grognard GM has claimed.

That's not even disingenuous, it's an outright lie.

I said systemic white racism, and systemic sexism, don't exist any more, and haven't in a half century. Christ, companies are falling over themselves to insert every minority they can, as fast as they can. Not the actions of an oppressive cracker society.

Quote from: jhkim on February 08, 2023, 08:52:46 PMHere on theRPGsite, we've had three notable bannings for overt racism in the last year or so - griswald, psiandco, and Alathon.

Yet people who support BLM, an organization connected to racism, murders, massive property destruction, fraud and tax evasion are still members.

You're lucky people on the Right don't hold the same guilt-by-association rules as the Left.

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 08, 2023, 09:39:24 PM

Quote from: jhkim on February 08, 2023, 08:52:46 PMI don't think that percentages are proof of bias, but I also don't think that all racism and sexism are long gone from society, as Grognard GM has claimed.

That's not even disingenuous, it's an outright lie.

I said systemic white racism, and systemic sexism, don't exist any more, and haven't in a half century. Christ, companies are falling over themselves to insert every minority they can, as fast as they can. Not the actions of an oppressive cracker society.

I don't intend to misrepresent you. Here was the exchange:

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 07, 2023, 07:20:30 PM

Quote from: jhkim on February 07, 2023, 06:34:51 PM
I don't think there should be society-wide fixes, but specific entities that discriminate should be legally and ethically liable. This is true legally in the U.S. If a company is found guilty of workplace discrimination, then they have to make restitution to the parties that were affected by the discrimination. The court may also order workplace changes to ensure that such discrimination does not happen again.

Even if it doesn't go through a lawsuit, the ethical principle is still there. If a thief steals money, then they should be made to give the money back. They shouldn't be told to keep the money but sternly warned not to steal again.

Again, I'm not claiming that WotC did discriminate -- but if they did, then there should be consequences.

You need to build a time machine that can go back at least 50 years to find the systemic -isms in society that your brain fever-dreams still exist.

Your godless-religion looks at gaps naturally formed from demographics and natural group preferences, and through it's twisted kaleidoscope it can only see oppression and -isms.

How am I supposed to interpret this? All I said that it was possible that WotC discriminated, and you shot back that I had to go back 50+ years. 

He didn't say leave "the hobby" he was talking about WOTC higher up design positions.

But as usual we get "6 positions" turned into "EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!! BURN IT ALL DOWN THEY HATE US ALL!!!!!!!!"