Quote from: Spinachcat;753285ALL HAIL THE NEW PANTHEON OF D&D...
...Gygax, Arneson and Pundit!!!

Okay kids, let's all make sure what we are bowing down to.

The gonna-save-the-hobby 5e PDF offers the bare bones of 5e...BUT that pittance is somehow BETTER compared to massive 3e D20 SRD or the more massive Pathfinder SRD which encompasses a stack of books, or the RQ SRD, or the Traveller SRD or the PDFs for a dozen OSR games which contain their complete game???

Don't get me wrong. Free shit is good marketing. All those actions did create some customers, but nothing earth shaking. However, we are now we supposed to believe the 5e sampler pack PDF is really going to ignite a revolution when whole entire games in PDF did not.

If putting up free PDFs on the web = creates tons of new players, I'd have a lot easier time recruiting for a Mazes & Minotaurs campaign.

Sure given none of the above actually interest me or aren't cared about, known about or supported to a level my friends care about.

Hi, my name is Johanna, lasped and casual Dnd player. 5e"s target demographic. I know lots of people just like myself. I even play a RPG with them when time allows or whatnot. We have the desire but not the time, we have the kids, most better on the computer then us. Give us a simpler game then 3/4e. We are ALL in.

More game =/= better game. Give me 64 pages, with art and proper formatting, I can write you a really nice little game with lots of replay value.

In other words, just because other games are available and they have a higher page count doesn't make them better games.

On the other hand, I would love a M&M campaign. Or better, a V&V expansion campaign...

Its the mentality behind it that is different.

Quote from: Piestrio;753245Yep, anyone who has ever excused something shitty in a game because "it'll be patched" ought to be horsewhipped.

Err, what if my method is to never buy a game at release and wait a few months to see if it turned out ok enough to play?

Quote from: Warthur;753077Is it going to be a living document? As I understand it the first iteration would come out with the Starter Set and have the character generation and levelling rules, then when the PHB comes out the basic book will be updated to include content from the DMG and MM. There's absolutely no suggestion, from what I've seen, that it'll be further updated after that.

Can we have a citation on this living document crap. I have seen it pop up a few times. Just because it is going online does not mean it will have errata or tweaks applied to it every six months or whatever.

I would prefer it to be static, solid, not a moving target with endless "waaah my character can does x4 damage WITH strength bonus, not without, you are badwrongfun!*"




*A discussion around the thief backstab multiplier for AD&D 2E from 1st printing to subsequent revisions

Quote from: RPGPundit;753293Its the mentality behind it that is different.

Correct. And I WANT Dnd not some OSR thing. We're the excluded middle and they finally are listening to US.

Do you even understand how easy it is to pull a game together by the mere phrase, "Want to play Dnd?" Compared to...."Want to play DCC or Mage?" Among my demographic?

Quote from: Shipyard Locked;753298Err, what if my method is to never buy a game at release and wait a few months to see if it turned out ok enough to play?

Then you are literally hitler

Quote from: Piestrio;753301Then you are literally hitler

Says Skeletor.

Quote from: RPGPundit;753293Its the mentality behind it that is different.

Correct. And I WANT Dnd not some OSR thing. We're the excluded middle and they finally are listening to US.

Quote from: Marleycat;753305Says Skeletor.

I'd watch that episode

Quote from: RPGPundit;753293Its the mentality behind it that is different.

Woot! That's a quote baby! Somebody's got their PR on tight tonight!

I'd so love to have seen your face when typed that sentence. Fortunately, I also bullshit, I mean consult, for a living.

Keep playing to the cheap seats Pundy! They'll rarely let you down.

BTW, I hope you turn your WotC consulting gig into a bigger role. Perhaps their South American liaison. I can't imagine any reason why the Basic PDF shouldn't be translated into Spanish and Brazilian Portuguese.

Of course, considering their online PR, you should probably make a move on taking over that.

Pundit was right.

It appears WoTC is going to produce a tight stream lined D&D product that will good for introducing younger folk to the game and give me a more laid back version of the game.

I look forward to downloading it once they put in the MM materials this August. And I will definitely being printing the thing.

But I'm still not jumping on the " Starter Set" until I see some four star reviews of the module. I know it's not their job but they could have avoided a bunch of crap by naming it: "Starter  Module Set", "1st Adventure", or something.

The first 4e starter adventure Keep on Shadowfell(?) didn't leave a good lasting impression.

But here's to hoping for good products to come...

Quote from: Scott Anderson;753242. . . a weedy little patchouli-tainted Hitler.

It's gems like this that make this forum worthwhile.

Quote from: Spinachcat;753285The gonna-save-the-hobby 5e PDF offers the bare bones of 5e...BUT that pittance is somehow BETTER compared to massive 3e D20 SRD or the more massive Pathfinder SRD which encompasses a stack of books, or the RQ SRD, or the Traveller SRD or the PDFs for a dozen OSR games which contain their complete game???

It could be better than the SRDs if it's presented as a game to learn, rather than as a reference document. ie it looks like OSRIC, not like the d20 SRD. Whether it's better than other games will depend on the quality of the rules. If I can get a print version (like OSRIC) I may well give it a try, so I'll wait to see if they do that.

The PDF to Swords & Wizardry and the PDF to Mazes & Minotaurs is a complete game, written for ease of understanding for new players. They are both well written, both have been online for years, both downloaded thousands of times, but neither has set the world on fire.

All the "but I want an easier to play D&D" noise would make sense if these and a hundred other PDFs of complete games weren't floating around the web.

Marleycat has the most honest answer I've seen. She primarily wants to be part of the WotC fold again and secondarily wants a rules-lighter D&D. I get that. I was "out of the fold" for most of 2e and all 3e.

When you are "out of the fold", you don't get to be excited about what Santa WotC is going to put out next and be part of that in the wider gaming community. 5e [so far] promises her, Pundy and others a chance to rejoin the Cool Kids who play the current edition.