Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 06, 2023, 11:30:45 AM
WotC did it over 9 months.  Paizo's been doing it for decades.  It adds up.

P.S.  Don't do me no favors...

Paizo threatened to illegally pull a permanent license and thus steal money from content creators? Proof or admit you are a liar.

Quote from: Scooter on August 06, 2023, 11:34:40 AM

Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 06, 2023, 11:30:45 AM
WotC did it over 9 months.  Paizo's been doing it for decades.  It adds up.

P.S.  Don't do me no favors...

Paizo threatened to illegally pull a permanent license and thus steal money from content creators? Proof or admit you are a liar.

While not to the extreme of WotC, Paizo has been accused of similar:

https://www.runamokgames.com/design-diary/paizo-updates-the-cup

You can jump to the top, or you can take one step at a time.  They both get you there.  Paizo has been obnoxiously woke for way longer.  Hasbro is just more quickly diabolical...

Just let the SJWs and BrOSR fight it out. Then the winner gets the hammer 

Quote from: Theory of Games on August 07, 2023, 09:44:20 PM
Just let the SJWs and BrOSR fight it out. Then the winner gets the hammer 

Quote from: Scooter on August 06, 2023, 08:39:40 AM
Yes, but fortunately the 3.x SRD cannot be f'ed with and Hasbro knew it originally.  They just tried to buffalo people.

I thought the whole fiasco showed how precarious the 3.x SRD was, and how easily it could be rescinded once WotC decided to end it?

Quote from: Thor's Nads on August 08, 2023, 07:40:03 PM

Quote from: Scooter on August 06, 2023, 08:39:40 AM
Yes, but fortunately the 3.x SRD cannot be f'ed with and Hasbro knew it originally.  They just tried to buffalo people.

I thought the whole fiasco showed how precarious the 3.x SRD was, and how easily it could be rescinded once WotC decided to end it?

Nope.  Exactly the opposite since the SRD is almost entirely game mechanics which they can't own and license in the first place.  It was a real "The emperor has no clothes moment".  For example the game I mostly play, C&C used the license (and SRD stuff) but using the SRD mechanics resulted in no real WotC I.P. being used.  Thus no license needed in the first place. The next printing of their PHB, Monsters and GM type books are going to be printed without the OGL license in the book  without changes except for maybe one or two proper noun changes. 

In reality you CAN make 5E compatible material with no license needed and you can even put on it that it is designed to be used with 5E and there is nothing WotC can do.  As long as you stick to only the mechanics and no I.P. names like Tiefling and the like.

In my opinion the RPG community should push WotC to release their older stuff as Creative Commons. If Dark Sun is problematic then release the thing for others for example. Might create small ecosystems.

Quote from: Ruprecht on August 10, 2023, 07:28:38 PM
In my opinion the RPG community should push WotC to release their older stuff as Creative Commons. If Dark Sun is problematic then release the thing for others for example. Might create small ecosystems.

I'd sooner expect a copyright reform to be legislated.

Quote from: Ruprecht on August 10, 2023, 07:28:38 PM
In my opinion the RPG community should push WotC to release their older stuff as Creative Commons. If Dark Sun is problematic then release the thing for others for example. Might create small ecosystems.

We should let WotC shit themselves as everyone leaves their brand and settings behind. Everyone then puts their money and resources behind settings and systems that actual RPG enthusiasts create independently, and do BETTER than WotC does, and stop giving their time, money and emotional energy to the shitshow that is WotC and Paizo and any other form of modern D&D as a brand or entity.

Demanding anything of WotC is just asking for more shit-crumbs from their table. Fuuuuuck them.

*with the caveat that anyone financially invested in their back-catalog under the SRD should protect themselves and their IP's. Otherwise people should WALK AWAY. It costs you nothing. Create the new TTRPG scene at your respective tables with people that give a shit.

Quote from: tenbones on August 12, 2023, 11:33:42 AM
We should let WotC shit themselves as everyone leaves their brand and settings behind. Everyone then puts their money and resources behind settings and systems that actual RPG enthusiasts create independently, and do BETTER than WotC does,

Basically yes.  I don't comprehend the mindset that would allow a person continue to support WotC

The VAST majority of TTRPG gamers are completely and utterly oblivious to WTF WotKKK has done. It's only a small subset of uber nerds on the internet who are even aware of any of this, and an even smaller subset of those people who are invested enough on boycotting WotKKK, and take their antics personally due to politics. And none of those people (i.e. "us") matter, because we'll never be a large enough segment of their market to make a dent, and we've already been busy for years NOT buying anything from WotKKK for them to notice.

This are just yells on a vacuum as far as WotKKK is concerned.

WotC is going all in on mobile gaming. This is gonna leave the traditional tabletop community without anything to buy. So Paizo is poised to dominate the market if they don't mess up.

Alternately, it might fracture the market in a way that's not been seen before.

Quote from: VisionStorm on August 12, 2023, 01:56:44 PM
The VAST majority of TTRPG gamers are completely and utterly oblivious to WTF WotKKK has done. It's only a small subset of uber nerds on the internet who are even aware of any of this,

I don't think so.  At the time I was not active on any boards and had zero attention of WotC as I haven't used their products for years.  I heard about it tangentially from a person who also doesn't play D&D.  After a month I heard it from everyone I know who uses their products or plays TTRPGs