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DCC has fallen prey to the woke

Started by GeekyBugle, July 18, 2023, 08:55:05 PM

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GeekyBugle

Next edition to use "gender neutral" pronouns... Fuck my life!

https://twitter.com/Nerdcognito/status/1681406646352789518
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

David Johansen

I've generally tried to keep the text in my games gender neutral as I got accused of having a very anti-female bias in an early one due to having women in examples for some reason.  I didn't count but I probably over compensated. :D

Anyhow, it's not that hard to do and TSR was doing it by second edition if I remember right.

Making all npcs gender neutral would be kind of silly though.

As with any business, they're asking how badly not doing so will hurt them in the present marketplace.  Game companies have been trying to broaden their customer base for years and the current D&D fad wave is probably buying more product than us grouchy old guys who think the English language is just fine thankyou very much.  There may also be behind the scenes shenanagins on the part of activist on-line retailers.
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GeekyBugle

Quote from: David Johansen on July 18, 2023, 09:45:45 PM
I've generally tried to keep the text in my games gender neutral as I got accused of having a very anti-female bias in an early one due to having women in examples for some reason.  I didn't count but I probably over compensated. :D

Anyhow, it's not that hard to do and TSR was doing it by second edition if I remember right.

Making all npcs gender neutral would be kind of silly though.

As with any business, they're asking how badly not doing so will hurt them in the present marketplace.  Game companies have been trying to broaden their customer base for years and the current D&D fad wave is probably buying more product than us grouchy old guys who think the English language is just fine thankyou very much.  There may also be behind the scenes shenanagins on the part of activist on-line retailers.

When TSR did it it was also because they were infiltrated by feminists.

When the woke come after you there's only one response: No, fuck you.

Pursuing the Phantom Audience, yes, it has worked so good for DC & Marvel...

As for fads... Here's the thing, those pass, and then you're left without the ppl chasing the next shinny AND without those you chased away to appease the former.
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

Ruprecht

Isn't gender neutral avoiding he or she and using the awkward combined he/she or avoiding pronouns altogether?
I'm not sure that's woke, folks have been doing that long before Woke was a thing.
Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing. ~Robert E. Howard

I

Not surprised.  They had already started down this road in 2020.

GeekyBugle

Quote from: Ruprecht on July 18, 2023, 10:04:53 PM
Isn't gender neutral avoiding he or she and using the awkward combined he/she or avoiding pronouns altogether?
I'm not sure that's woke, folks have been doing that long before Woke was a thing.

If they were doing it for non-woke reasons they wouldn't feel the need to virtue signal.
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

Klytus

Klytus, I'm bored. What plaything can you offer me today?

An obscure body in the S-K System, Your Majesty. The inhabitants refer to it as the planet... "Earth".

David Johansen

The issue as I see it is that there are people who don't want me playing the games they like but I don't want them playing the games I like.  So, it's a bit silly really.  It's when they start wanting to dictate how and what I play that I get bothered by it.  DCC can do whatever they like but for a game that's trying to be hard core, old school, balls to the walls gaming, it seems pretty ridiculous.
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Melan

If you play DCC, you are rolling dice with they/thems.

Goes very well with a nice can of Bud Light, though.
Now with a Zine!
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Thor's Nads

I looked at a copy of the newest DCC rulebook at a local con. The pronouns made it literally unlegible. I had no idea what was plural, what was singular, who was what.
Gen-Xtra

Rob Necronomicon

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 18, 2023, 10:30:10 PM
Quote from: Ruprecht on July 18, 2023, 10:04:53 PM
Isn't gender neutral avoiding he or she and using the awkward combined he/she or avoiding pronouns altogether?
I'm not sure that's woke, folks have been doing that long before Woke was a thing.

If they were doing it for non-woke reasons they wouldn't feel the need to virtue signal.

Yep, beating that proverbial drum so they get noticed.

Ratman_tf

Quote from: Thor's Nads on July 19, 2023, 03:52:10 AM
I looked at a copy of the newest DCC rulebook at a local con. The pronouns made it literally unlegible. I had no idea what was plural, what was singular, who was what.

I've had this issue with other RPGs using they/them for singular pronouns. It gets downright confusing at times.
The notion of an exclusionary and hostile RPG community is a fever dream of zealots who view all social dynamics through a narrow keyhole of structural oppression.
-Haffrung

Rob Necronomicon

Quote from: Ratman_tf on July 19, 2023, 07:13:05 AM
Quote from: Thor's Nads on July 19, 2023, 03:52:10 AM
I looked at a copy of the newest DCC rulebook at a local con. The pronouns made it literally unlegible. I had no idea what was plural, what was singular, who was what.

I've had this issue with other RPGs using they/them for singular pronouns. It gets downright confusing at times.

That's the rub. English has been written a specific way for reasons (namely for easy comprehension).

Persimmon

As I noted on this site at least a year ago there have been folks on the DCC discussion boards squealing about NOT getting the gender-neutral printing of the rules.  We're not playing DCC anymore these days but I'm glad I have the pre-virtue signalling issue of the rulebook in case I do decide to play it again as I still have a KS item I backed years ago on the way from Goodman, their laboriously slow fulfillment (ironically due to printing everything in the PRC) being another issue with them.

Chris24601

I prefer writing for the second person for rules (ie. "You gain a +4 bonus to your check." which makes sense to me since the player is the one rolling, not the PC) and for whatever sex the character happens to be if that's what's being talked about.

I prefer the less formal and more personal feel that second person writing provides. Most games mechanics already read like a technical manual so why make it sound cold and clinical?

"When the player takes the charge action he gains +2 to his check and deals +level extra damage, but he is flat-footed until the start of his next turn."

or

"When you use the charge action, you gain +2 to the check and deal +level extra damage, but are flat-footed until your next turn."