Will there ever be a new dc comics role-playing game very soon?
I Am very sorry to ask this question.
A new DC comics RPG game? I don't know of any knowledge on that.
Quote from: Ratguy on September 03, 2023, 06:05:42 PM
Will there ever be a new dc comics role-playing game very soon?
I Am very sorry to ask this question.
Unlikely. DC comics is just as woke/broke as Disney these days and the last big version of a DC Comics game (a reskin of M&M 3e) not only has very solid mechanics, but also coincided with pretty much the last time DC hasn't sucked (i.e. all the lore in its sourcebooks is from just before the Flashpoint/Nu52 reboot... the one so bad the writers retconned the whole retcon into having been a multiversal attack on reality by a sociopathic cosmic entity meant to cripple the DC Universe).
Ironically, with all the resets they've done the old material almost works as written again (Wonder Woman stealing Cassie Sandsmark/Wonder-Girl III's origin as the daughter of Zeus is about the only thing that seems to have really stuck from the Nu-52 era).
The only place that might not be considered an utter failure in DC land is it's WB-based animation department and it's material isn't in any sort of shared universe beyond some version of Batman showing up in 90% of it.
Basically, until DC gets it's shit together or falls so far that the rpg licensing is practically free, and/or someone develops a super-innovative new RPG system they think can be bolstered by tying the DC IP to it, you're probably not going to see any sort of new DC-universe based rpg.
The old version still 100% works with the still supported M&M3e though... so there's that.
Quote from: Chris24601 on September 04, 2023, 07:42:51 AM
The old version still 100% works with the still supported M&M3e though... so there's that.
Although you do have to go to the secondary market for it. The core book seems to be running slightly above MSRP (which isn't bad considering that it's about 10 years old and the inflation we've seen), but the Heroes & Villains books are running high, especially the second one. The Universe book seems to be easier to find.
Which reminds me, I've got a set of the four volumes that I'm looking to sell to a good home.
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on September 04, 2023, 10:05:16 AM
Quote from: Chris24601 on September 04, 2023, 07:42:51 AM
The old version still 100% works with the still supported M&M3e though... so there's that.
Although you do have to go to the secondary market for it. The core book seems to be running slightly above MSRP (which isn't bad considering that it's about 10 years old and the inflation we've seen), but the Heroes & Villains books are running high, especially the second one. The Universe book seems to be easier to find.
Which reminds me, I've got a set of the four volumes that could use a good home.
wow,count me in,send me a personal message,
I have a copy of the M&M DC Comics game and it was pretty good in my opinion. I'd play it if my group were so inclined.
There was a Kickstarter in 2022 that raised $1.5M for a Batman RPG based on the D20-based French game Untold Tales Modern. It is supposedly shipping in early 2024. (It was originally scheduled for fall 2023, but is delayed.)
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/806316071/batmantm-gotham-city-chronicles-season-3-and-rpg
The last hope for DC quality was "Young Justice", season one was tight, wokeness was kept at a minimum. By Season 4, Aqualad sucks a lot of cock, we've got a muslim motherbox and we got space bug teaching everyone about proper pronoun use who also wants to fuck his space ship. At least they didn't do White Martian Privelege, although I'm sure their writers were trying to find someway to shoehorn that narrative in.
My hobby shop dropped all comics recently. They carry some games and minis but its become a collectible card game shop. There is no generation growing up reading DC Comics or Marvel comics. There is no market for a new DC Super Heroes game.
I would look towards a generic superhero ruleset personally.
TLDR: DC went way woke, they lost the youth audience, bad for game prospects.
I was done with DC once they decided continually rebooting the Legion was a good idea
The IP is dead.
However - nothing prevents you from raising it to glory with the system of your choice at your table.
Quote from: tenbones on September 05, 2023, 01:13:38 PM
The IP is dead.
However - nothing prevents you from raising it to glory with the system of your choice at your table.
Plenty of fans in their 50's and above. And we all have a lot of time to learn new systems.
Quote from: tenbones on September 05, 2023, 01:13:38 PM
The IP is dead.
The comics are, but it has its moments in other media.
My Adventures with Superman is probably the most Superman I've seen Superman be depicted as in any medium in more than a decade and nary a whiff of Woke to boot (unless you count the gay French gorilla and his disembodied brain love interest who show up in an episode).*
I doubt it's more than a blip in the grand slide into oblivion, but I will take my enjoyment where I can.
* I guess some would count continuing past race swaps as woke; Perry is modeled on Lawrence Fishburne's version and Jimmy is black like CW Supergirl version, but amusingly I find it almost goes the other way as Jimmy is now the woke-despised "token black friend" trope personified.
Quote from: Chris24601 on September 06, 2023, 01:12:03 PM
Quote from: tenbones on September 05, 2023, 01:13:38 PM
The IP is dead.
The comics are, but it has its moments in other media. My Adventures with Superman is probably the most Superman I've seen Superman be depicted as in any medium in more than a decade and nary a whiff of Woke to boot (unless you count the gay French gorilla and his disembodied brain love interest who show up in an episode).*
I doubt it's more than a blip in the grand slide into oblivion, but I will take my enjoyment where I can.
* I guess some would count continuing past race swaps as woke; Perry is modeled on Lawrence Fishburne's version and Jimmy is black like CW Supergirl version, but amusingly I find it almost goes the other way as Jimmy is now the woke-despised "token black friend" trope personified.
For sure. But as long as Warner owns DC and their ideological motives get ahead of the artforms they're ostensibly supposed to be curating and cultivating - the downward slide to oblivion will only stop when we stop giving our money and attention to them.
I know you (and everyone else) knows this - and yeah, it sucks. But I'll be honest: introducing my players to my own curation of the DC and Marvel universe (as a former comics writer) and making their characters part of that shared universe (Earth-417) has been a total revelation to them as well as myself. *I* do DC and Marvel better than either of these companies - and so can you and everyone else. We don't *need* them.
Quote from: Chris24601 on September 06, 2023, 01:12:03 PM
Quote from: tenbones on September 05, 2023, 01:13:38 PM
The IP is dead.
The comics are, but it has its moments in other media. My Adventures with Superman is probably the most Superman I've seen Superman be depicted as in any medium in more than a decade and nary a whiff of Woke to boot (unless you count the gay French gorilla and his disembodied brain love interest who show up in an episode).*
I doubt it's more than a blip in the grand slide into oblivion, but I will take my enjoyment where I can.
* I guess some would count continuing past race swaps as woke; Perry is modeled on Lawrence Fishburne's version and Jimmy is black like CW Supergirl version, but amusingly I find it almost goes the other way as Jimmy is now the woke-despised "token black friend" trope personified.
Um no, not even close to superman by a wide wide wid wide wide wide margin. Louis is depicted as a man, give her a male voice actor and call him Mac and its believable as drawn. Hell, Louis = Xandir from Drawn together, prove me wrong they have very similar character art now. Superman is an effeminate whiney lady boy. Jimmy Olsen and Perry White are now black.
These go against what would have been the character bible for Superman. Whenever I see race swipes and art where they depict characters as the opposite sex, fuck that, I'm out, burn it with a fire. It looks like Young Justice Season 5 Straight out of the Hood: Seattle Edition w/ Lattes and Puberty Blockers.
Quote from: honeydipperdavid on September 04, 2023, 10:55:43 PMMy hobby shop dropped all comics recently. They carry some games and minis but its become a collectible card game shop. There is no generation growing up reading DC Comics or Marvel comics. There is no market for a new DC Super Heroes game.
My hobby shop (Shoutout to The Deep in Huntsville, AL) still has a huge comic section - it's like half the store floor space - but it's mostly either older comics (tons and tons of long boxes of old comics), or anime/manga, or the smaller labels. You don't see a lot of the twin juggernaut's stuff on the new racks. Some, certainly, but I wouldn't say it's anywhere near as prevalent as it used to be.
Quote from: Bruwulf on September 06, 2023, 01:36:37 PM
Quote from: honeydipperdavid on September 04, 2023, 10:55:43 PMMy hobby shop dropped all comics recently. They carry some games and minis but its become a collectible card game shop. There is no generation growing up reading DC Comics or Marvel comics. There is no market for a new DC Super Heroes game.
My hobby shop (Shoutout to The Deep in Huntsville, AL) still has a huge comic section - it's like half the store floor space - but it's mostly either older comics (tons and tons of long boxes of old comics), or anime/manga, or the smaller labels. You don't see a lot of the twin juggernaut's stuff on the new racks. Some, certainly, but I wouldn't say it's anywhere near as prevalent as it used to be.
Who'd have thought that hiring race marxist activists to write comics would kill the industry? I mean would not want to read Captain America being transformed into a Nazi, he always was a Nazi, no "What If", no he always was a Nazi from Marvel Comics? I mean that's a solid gold idea, lets just ignore the fact that Captain America had Jewish creators and he was created specificially to get Americans to support WWII and stop the Nazi's. No its more important to pervert any symbol of America to burn the nation to the ashes and build a soviet utopia. Who could predict that activists like that would literally destroy Marvel and DC market share? I mean who?
I mean Superman is so white bread and mayonnaise for those crackers, lets gay him up and throw some Asian gay candy boi in the mix as well, that will increase sales! Oh gawd Girlfriend, remove that "truth, justice and the american way" phrase its so white supremathist.
Seriously the degeneracy present at Marvel and DC is fucking disgusting. I hope they get burned down to the ground and they all get thrown into the streets. They effin deserve it.
Quote from: honeydipperdavid on September 06, 2023, 02:51:17 PM
Quote from: Bruwulf on September 06, 2023, 01:36:37 PM
Quote from: honeydipperdavid on September 04, 2023, 10:55:43 PMMy hobby shop dropped all comics recently. They carry some games and minis but its become a collectible card game shop. There is no generation growing up reading DC Comics or Marvel comics. There is no market for a new DC Super Heroes game.
My hobby shop (Shoutout to The Deep in Huntsville, AL) still has a huge comic section - it's like half the store floor space - but it's mostly either older comics (tons and tons of long boxes of old comics), or anime/manga, or the smaller labels. You don't see a lot of the twin juggernaut's stuff on the new racks. Some, certainly, but I wouldn't say it's anywhere near as prevalent as it used to be.
Who'd have thought that hiring race marxist activists to write comics would kill the industry? I mean would not want to read Captain America being transformed into a Nazi, he always was a Nazi, no "What If", no he always was a Nazi from Marvel Comics? I mean that's a solid gold idea, lets just ignore the fact that Captain America had Jewish creators and he was created specificially to get Americans to support WWII and stop the Nazi's. No its more important to pervert any symbol of America to burn the nation to the ashes and build a soviet utopia. Who could predict that activists like that would literally destroy Marvel and DC market share? I mean who?
I mean Superman is so white bread and mayonnaise for those crackers, lets gay him up and throw some Asian gay candy boi in the mix as well, that will increase sales! Oh gawd Girlfriend, remove that "truth, justice and the american way" phrase its so white supremathist.
Seriously the degeneracy present at Marvel and DC is fucking disgusting. I hope they get burned down to the ground and they all get thrown into the streets. They effin deserve it.
With the early MCU showing how well-received the old-school heroes were, Marvel Comics should have been a licence to print money with tie-ins. The MCU appears to be copying the unsuccessful comics instead. Now that Disney has dropped in share price by over 50% since its high in 2021, I wonder if the comics division will be expected to try to make money for once.
Quote from: honeydipperdavid on September 06, 2023, 02:51:17 PM
Seriously the degeneracy present at Marvel and DC is fucking disgusting. I hope they get burned down to the ground and they all get thrown into the streets. They effin deserve it.
Hear, hear.
I'm very mild mannered and they've managed to push me to this place that I wish actual financial ruin and calamity on these people.
Quote from: Thor's Nads on September 06, 2023, 04:03:28 PM
Quote from: honeydipperdavid on September 06, 2023, 02:51:17 PM
Seriously the degeneracy present at Marvel and DC is fucking disgusting. I hope they get burned down to the ground and they all get thrown into the streets. They effin deserve it.
Hear, hear.
I'm very mild mannered and they've managed to push me to this place that I wish actual financial ruin and calamity on these people.
With concerted fan revolt, it has forced some comic book companies to fire the race marxists. IDW hired a literal communist to write GI Joe. The guy said you should shut up about 9/11 if you weren't there. So his hot takes, definitely anti-american pro Stalin type of asshole. He put in a gay wrestling alternate cover.
(https://www.midtowncomics.com/images/PRODUCT/XL/1659915_xl.jpg)
The shit wasn't necessary. The asshole put out an issue where he had Quick Kick beat the living fuck out of Snake Eyes, because you know Snake Eyes is white appropriator. Fan Sites for GI Joe told IDW they will not advertise any new GI Joe comics till they fire the asshole. "Well son of a bitch, the guy got fired" /Joe Biden. They got rid of the guy or else they would sell no GI Joes.
https://www.midtowncomics.com/product/1659915
duplicate post
Can we talk about RPGs rather than rant about comics?
Quote from: Mistwell on September 06, 2023, 05:58:21 PM
Can we talk about RPGs rather than rant about comics?
Quite ironic, since the only thing you post on this site is complaints about what other people post. You first.
Its going to be a tough sell to find anyone willing to play super hero games based directly on DC or Marvel as bad as the recent lore is, again you'd be looking at 50+ year olds would probably be the most likely. There is Mutants and Masterminds on Fantasy Grounds, Marvel Multiverse on Roll 20, or Foundry for Mutants and Master Minds, Hero System. Online would probably be your best bet, and I'd go for Fantasy Grounds, it has an older user base and you could probably find someone willing to go into the super hero genre easier there.
Quote from: tenbones on September 06, 2023, 01:26:53 PM
Quote from: Chris24601 on September 06, 2023, 01:12:03 PM
Quote from: tenbones on September 05, 2023, 01:13:38 PM
The IP is dead.
The comics are, but it has its moments in other media. My Adventures with Superman is probably the most Superman I've seen Superman be depicted as in any medium in more than a decade and nary a whiff of Woke to boot (unless you count the gay French gorilla and his disembodied brain love interest who show up in an episode).*
I doubt it's more than a blip in the grand slide into oblivion, but I will take my enjoyment where I can.
* I guess some would count continuing past race swaps as woke; Perry is modeled on Lawrence Fishburne's version and Jimmy is black like CW Supergirl version, but amusingly I find it almost goes the other way as Jimmy is now the woke-despised "token black friend" trope personified.
For sure. But as long as Warner owns DC and their ideological motives get ahead of the artforms they're ostensibly supposed to be curating and cultivating - the downward slide to oblivion will only stop when we stop giving our money and attention to them.
I know you (and everyone else) knows this - and yeah, it sucks. But I'll be honest: introducing my players to my own curation of the DC and Marvel universe (as a former comics writer) and making their characters part of that shared universe (Earth-417) has been a total revelation to them as well as myself. *I* do DC and Marvel better than either of these companies - and so can you and everyone else. We don't *need* them.
Just as you and I can do their IP better than them we can also do original characters which is part of not giving them money/attention.
Edited to clarify:
What I mean is we should make OUR own universes and superheroes and play those not their IP.
Quote from: Mistwell on September 06, 2023, 05:58:21 PM
Can we talk about RPGs rather than rant about comics?
Seems appropriate, in a thread about RPGs based on
Comics.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 08, 2023, 03:37:49 AM
Just as you and I can do their IP better than them we can also do original characters which is part of not giving them money/attention.
Edited to clarify:
What I mean is we should make OUR own universes and superheroes and play those not their IP.
At your table - anything goes. I've been running supers TTRPG's since the early 80's... just about every system that has ever dropped that's been worth a damn, but the realization I came to was that *most* gamers are not into comics, at least not like I was. Their knowledge of comics came from cartoons (Superfriends, Spiderman and his Amazing Friends, Batman the Animated series etc.) and selling Supers as a TTRPG is a very hard sell to those people that don't consume comics.
The reasons why are because Supers as a genre is technically very wide in scope and in terms of "conceits". There are a lot of particulars based on "era" of comics you're trying to emulate, power-levels etc. When it comes to Supers for noob-players (even if they're veteran TTRPG players) there often is an odd disconnect on what they're supposed to *do* when they're used to being D&D characters in a fantasy world. Their only points of identification are what they've seen in other media outside of comicbooks themselves. Which is why using DC/Marvel IP material as a touchstone in your private games is never a bad thing.
When it comes to publication - I absolutely endorse original IP's. Obviously sticking the landing is very hard in terms of the Supers TTRPG's because the genre is niche(TTRPG)-of -a-niche(Supers)-of-a-niche(Original IP with specific setting conceits). But it *should* be done by those passionate about it, regardless.