Quote from: Bruwulf on September 06, 2023, 01:36:37 PM

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on September 04, 2023, 10:55:43 PMMy hobby shop dropped all comics recently.  They carry some games and minis but its become a collectible card game shop.  There is no generation growing up reading DC Comics or Marvel comics.  There is no market for a new DC Super Heroes game. 

My hobby shop (Shoutout to The Deep in Huntsville, AL) still has a huge comic section - it's like half the store floor space - but it's mostly either older comics (tons and tons of long boxes of old comics), or anime/manga, or the smaller labels. You don't see a lot of the twin juggernaut's stuff on the new racks. Some, certainly, but I wouldn't say it's anywhere near as prevalent as it used to be.

Who'd have thought that hiring race marxist activists to write comics would kill the industry?  I mean would not want to read Captain America being transformed into a Nazi, he always was a Nazi, no "What If", no he always was a Nazi from Marvel Comics?  I mean that's a solid gold idea, lets just ignore the fact that Captain America had Jewish creators and he was created specificially to get Americans to support WWII and stop the Nazi's.  No its more important to pervert any symbol of America to burn the nation to the ashes and build a soviet utopia.  Who could predict that activists like that would literally destroy Marvel and DC market share?  I mean who?

I mean Superman is so white bread and mayonnaise for those crackers, lets gay him up and throw some Asian gay candy boi in the mix as well, that will increase sales!  Oh gawd Girlfriend, remove that "truth, justice and the american way" phrase its so white supremathist.

Seriously the degeneracy present at Marvel and DC is fucking disgusting.  I hope they get burned down to the ground and they all get thrown into the streets.  They effin deserve it.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on September 06, 2023, 02:51:17 PM

Quote from: Bruwulf on September 06, 2023, 01:36:37 PM

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on September 04, 2023, 10:55:43 PMMy hobby shop dropped all comics recently.  They carry some games and minis but its become a collectible card game shop.  There is no generation growing up reading DC Comics or Marvel comics.  There is no market for a new DC Super Heroes game. 

My hobby shop (Shoutout to The Deep in Huntsville, AL) still has a huge comic section - it's like half the store floor space - but it's mostly either older comics (tons and tons of long boxes of old comics), or anime/manga, or the smaller labels. You don't see a lot of the twin juggernaut's stuff on the new racks. Some, certainly, but I wouldn't say it's anywhere near as prevalent as it used to be.

Who'd have thought that hiring race marxist activists to write comics would kill the industry?  I mean would not want to read Captain America being transformed into a Nazi, he always was a Nazi, no "What If", no he always was a Nazi from Marvel Comics?  I mean that's a solid gold idea, lets just ignore the fact that Captain America had Jewish creators and he was created specificially to get Americans to support WWII and stop the Nazi's.  No its more important to pervert any symbol of America to burn the nation to the ashes and build a soviet utopia.  Who could predict that activists like that would literally destroy Marvel and DC market share?  I mean who?

I mean Superman is so white bread and mayonnaise for those crackers, lets gay him up and throw some Asian gay candy boi in the mix as well, that will increase sales!  Oh gawd Girlfriend, remove that "truth, justice and the american way" phrase its so white supremathist.

Seriously the degeneracy present at Marvel and DC is fucking disgusting.  I hope they get burned down to the ground and they all get thrown into the streets.  They effin deserve it.

With the early MCU showing how well-received the old-school heroes were, Marvel Comics should have been a licence to print money with tie-ins. The MCU appears to be copying the unsuccessful comics instead. Now that Disney has dropped in share price by over 50% since its high in 2021, I wonder if the comics division will be expected to try to make money for once.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on September 06, 2023, 02:51:17 PM
Seriously the degeneracy present at Marvel and DC is fucking disgusting.  I hope they get burned down to the ground and they all get thrown into the streets.  They effin deserve it.

Hear, hear.

I'm very mild mannered and they've managed to push me to this place that I wish actual financial ruin and calamity on these people.

Quote from: Thor's Nads on September 06, 2023, 04:03:28 PM

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on September 06, 2023, 02:51:17 PM
Seriously the degeneracy present at Marvel and DC is fucking disgusting.  I hope they get burned down to the ground and they all get thrown into the streets.  They effin deserve it.

Hear, hear.

I'm very mild mannered and they've managed to push me to this place that I wish actual financial ruin and calamity on these people.

With concerted fan revolt, it has forced some comic book companies to fire the race marxists.  IDW hired a literal communist to write GI Joe.  The guy said you should shut up about 9/11 if you weren't there.  So his hot takes, definitely anti-american pro Stalin type of asshole.  He put in a gay wrestling alternate cover. 


The shit wasn't necessary.  The asshole put out an issue where he had Quick Kick beat the living fuck out of Snake Eyes, because you know Snake Eyes is white appropriator.  Fan Sites for GI Joe told IDW they will not advertise any new GI Joe comics till they fire the asshole.  "Well son of a bitch, the guy got fired" /Joe Biden.  They got rid of the guy or else they would sell no GI Joes.

https://www.midtowncomics.com/product/1659915

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Can we talk about RPGs rather than rant about comics?

Quote from: Mistwell on September 06, 2023, 05:58:21 PM
Can we talk about RPGs rather than rant about comics?

Quite ironic, since the only thing you post on this site is complaints about what other people post.  You first.

Its going to be a tough sell to find anyone willing to play super hero games based directly on DC or Marvel as bad as the recent lore is, again you'd be looking at 50+ year olds would probably be the most likely.  There is Mutants and Masterminds on Fantasy Grounds, Marvel Multiverse on Roll 20, or Foundry for Mutants and Master Minds, Hero System.  Online would probably be your best bet, and I'd go for Fantasy Grounds, it has an older user base and you could probably find someone willing to go into the super hero genre easier there.

Quote from: tenbones on September 06, 2023, 01:26:53 PM

Quote from: Chris24601 on September 06, 2023, 01:12:03 PM

Quote from: tenbones on September 05, 2023, 01:13:38 PM
The IP is dead.

The comics are, but it has its moments in other media. My Adventures with Superman is probably the most Superman I've seen Superman be depicted as in any medium in more than a decade and nary a whiff of Woke to boot (unless you count the gay French gorilla and his disembodied brain love interest who show up in an episode).*

I doubt it's more than a blip in the grand slide into oblivion, but I will take my enjoyment where I can.

* I guess some would count continuing past race swaps as woke; Perry is modeled on Lawrence Fishburne's version and Jimmy is black like CW Supergirl version, but amusingly I find it almost goes the other way as Jimmy is now the woke-despised "token black friend" trope personified.

For sure. But as long as Warner owns DC and their ideological motives get ahead of the artforms they're ostensibly supposed to be curating and cultivating - the downward slide to oblivion will only stop when we stop giving our money and attention to them.

I know you (and everyone else) knows this - and yeah, it sucks. But I'll be honest: introducing my players to my own curation of the DC and Marvel universe (as a former comics writer) and making their characters part of that shared universe (Earth-417) has been a total revelation to them as well as myself. *I* do DC and Marvel better than either of these companies - and so can you and everyone else. We don't *need* them.

Just as you and I can do their IP better than them we can also do original characters which is part of not giving them money/attention.

Edited to clarify:

What I mean is we should make OUR own universes and superheroes and play those not their IP.

Quote from: Mistwell on September 06, 2023, 05:58:21 PM
Can we talk about RPGs rather than rant about comics?

Seems appropriate, in a thread about RPGs based on Comics.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 08, 2023, 03:37:49 AM

Just as you and I can do their IP better than them we can also do original characters which is part of not giving them money/attention.

Edited to clarify:

What I mean is we should make OUR own universes and superheroes and play those not their IP.

At your table - anything goes. I've been running supers TTRPG's since the early 80's... just about every system that has ever dropped that's been worth a damn, but the realization I came to was that *most* gamers are not into comics, at least not like I was. Their knowledge of comics came from cartoons (Superfriends, Spiderman and his Amazing Friends, Batman the Animated series etc.) and selling Supers as a TTRPG is a very hard sell to those people that don't consume comics.

The reasons why are because Supers as a genre is technically very wide in scope and in terms of "conceits". There are a lot of particulars based on "era" of comics you're trying to emulate, power-levels etc. When it comes to Supers for noob-players (even if they're veteran TTRPG players) there often is an odd disconnect on what they're supposed to *do* when they're used to being D&D characters in a fantasy world. Their only points of identification are what they've seen in other media outside of comicbooks themselves. Which is why using DC/Marvel IP material as a touchstone in your private games is never a bad thing.

When it comes to publication - I absolutely endorse original IP's. Obviously sticking the landing is very hard in terms of the Supers TTRPG's because the genre is niche(TTRPG)-of -a-niche(Supers)-of-a-niche(Original IP with specific setting conceits). But it *should* be done by those passionate about it, regardless.