the important difference is that elfs flaunts non-specific faerie properties, just like Vulcan, while neko clearly animalistic properties. And we all know why.

Yes, because cat ears are cute! And a fuzzy tail is nice and pettable! Nothing sexualized about them any more than elves are. And even when you "sexualize them", the parts that you sexualize are not the furry parts, so you are still safe.

Sure, you got the crowd who uses it as a stepping stone, but most "neko" fans I know absolutely despise furries. I mean, this theme was even played out in that recent Reincarnated as a Sword anime:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTKKHlsfyS4

Quote from: Slipshot762 on November 16, 2023, 01:47:15 AM
i worry about the guy that wants to sex a beholder.

I worry about the logistics of it...

Quote from: Wrath of God on November 16, 2023, 02:14:31 PM

QuoteWouldn't that mean that elves were also made for degenerates, seeing as they are universally attractive? Not un-modded Skyrim Altmer High Elves mind you, but still.

No because one true proper Tolkienian elves are a) type within same species b) theological speculation of how Unfallen Humans would exist in Fallen World.
They are humans, so thirsting about them may be still imprudent and sinful but not straight up abominable.

Ain't nobody thirsting for this guy:

Quote from: Wrath of God on November 16, 2023, 02:14:31 PM

QuoteSurely closer to human is less degenerate.

My brother in Christ, I just wonder, have you ever meet humans?

I meant as objects of desire   

Quote from: nielspeterdejong on November 16, 2023, 03:23:41 PM
Yes, because cat ears are cute! And a fuzzy tail is nice and pettable! Nothing sexualized about them any more than elves are. And even when you "sexualize them", the parts that you sexualize are not the furry parts, so you are still safe.

Sure, you got the crowd who uses it as a stepping stone, but most "neko" fans I know absolutely despise furries.

It's amusing to me that furries are so universally scorned that even other weird fetish groups want to disown them.

Quote from: ForgottenF on November 16, 2023, 08:29:54 PM

Quote from: Slipshot762 on November 16, 2023, 01:47:15 AM
i worry about the guy that wants to sex a beholder.

I worry about the logistics of it...

Quote from: Wrath of God on November 16, 2023, 02:14:31 PM

QuoteWouldn't that mean that elves were also made for degenerates, seeing as they are universally attractive? Not un-modded Skyrim Altmer High Elves mind you, but still.

No because one true proper Tolkienian elves are a) type within same species b) theological speculation of how Unfallen Humans would exist in Fallen World.
They are humans, so thirsting about them may be still imprudent and sinful but not straight up abominable.

Ain't nobody thirsting for this guy:

Quote from: Wrath of God on November 16, 2023, 02:14:31 PM

QuoteSurely closer to human is less degenerate.

My brother in Christ, I just wonder, have you ever meet humans?

I meant as objects of desire   

Quote from: nielspeterdejong on November 16, 2023, 03:23:41 PM
Yes, because cat ears are cute! And a fuzzy tail is nice and pettable! Nothing sexualized about them any more than elves are. And even when you "sexualize them", the parts that you sexualize are not the furry parts, so you are still safe.

Sure, you got the crowd who uses it as a stepping stone, but most "neko" fans I know absolutely despise furries.

It's amusing to me that furries are so universally scorned that even other weird fetish groups want to disown them.

Oh god. I forgot how horrible the wood elves in the Hobbit animated movies looked. I would like to change my earlier statement: Elves are attractive, EXCEPT for the un-modded Altmer from Skyrim AND whatever that thing sitting on that throne is.

And Neko fans might have the occasional weird anime coming out, but even they have standards. No hairballs!

QuoteIt's amusing to me that furries are so universally scorned that even other weird fetish groups want to disown them.

Bolshevisks always hated miensheviks more than reactionaries.

Quote from: Wrath of God on November 17, 2023, 07:23:15 AM

QuoteIt's amusing to me that furries are so universally scorned that even other weird fetish groups want to disown them.

Bolshevisks always hated miensheviks more than reactionaries.

Same reason why the protestants disliked the catholics more than the Turks. Or why the Sunni and Shiiti muslims occasionally sided with the US against one another. Or the communists and the national socialists (aka the nazi) fighting against one another during world war 2 even though both are left leaning, right after they had teamed up against Poland just a few years prior. They are all fishing out of the same resource pool, even though they are the same.

However, that would be more true for Scalies and Furries, as those have more animalistic faces.

A closer comparison would be between neko and elves in anime, as both are attractive slightly-altered humans. Who either compete for a spot in fantasy works:




Or appear together in them:



Hence why my point still stands: Aside from the fuzzy ears and the tail, which are on parts where there isn't going to be much lewding, any and all attractiveness to them is tied to the smooth human parts of them. The few animal parts just make them look more unique and cute/cool. They are still 99% human, same with elves.

QuoteA closer comparison would be between neko and elves in anime, as both are attractive slightly-altered humans. Who either compete for a spot in fantasy works:

Maybe in anime fandom. In classic fantasy fandom elves are based conservative demihumans, while nekos yeah - they are furry elves

Quote from: Wrath of God on November 17, 2023, 07:52:44 AM

QuoteA closer comparison would be between neko and elves in anime, as both are attractive slightly-altered humans. Who either compete for a spot in fantasy works:

Maybe in anime fandom. In classic fantasy fandom elves are based conservative demihumans, while nekos yeah - they are furry elves

Who says that elves aren't conservative demihumans in anime either? I recommend giving Frieren a try, as well as Faraway Paladin. The latter is literally a classic fantasy Dungeons & Dragons adventure, complete with elves/dwarves/halflings and people using spells that have a very old school fantasy feel to the

And aren't halflings technically furry elves? With their fuzzy feet, and the pointy ears they keep giving them XD

Jokes aside, I find it funny how neko have hair on their ears while halflings have hair on their feet. Well, more than usual ;p Also I noticed that with western games halflings have either pointy (like Lidia from D&D 3rd edition) or round ears, while in japanese media they are usually pointy:

Quote from: Wrath of God on November 17, 2023, 07:52:44 AM

QuoteA closer comparison would be between neko and elves in anime, as both are attractive slightly-altered humans. Who either compete for a spot in fantasy works:

Maybe in anime fandom. In classic fantasy fandom elves are based conservative demihumans

In Tolkien at least. In Poul Anderson, they're cruel, decadent agents of chaos.  In folklore they can be anything from Keebler-esque tree spirits to child-snatching monsters. In Norse mythology they're....well no one really knows because they're only loosely mentioned in the sources. Granted, Tolkien certainly has had the biggest influence on elves in general fantasy, but the other versions of them have made their presence known as well.

My sense of the anime elf (which admittedly is mostly based on Goblin Slayer) is that like in most contemporary fantasy, they're some combination of Dungeons & Dragons (or possibly Fighting Fantasy, which I've heard has been more influential in Japan) and World of Warcraft.

Quote from: nielspeterdejong on November 17, 2023, 07:57:14 AM
Who says that elves aren't conservative demihumans in anime either? I recommend giving Frieren a try, as well as Faraway Paladin. The latter is literally a classic fantasy Dungeons & Dragons adventure, complete with elves/dwarves/halflings and people using spells that have a very old school fantasy feel to the

And aren't halflings technically furry elves? With their fuzzy feet, and the pointy ears they keep giving them XD

You probably don't want to open the can of worms surrounding what fetishes anime halflings may or may not be playing to.

Also, since you seem to be an expert on this, something I've wondered about: When they do these cat-girls in anime, do they ever show the sides of their head, where the human ears should be, or is it always just artfully sculpted hair to avoid the uncanniness of a human face with blank spots on either side?

Quote from: ForgottenF on November 17, 2023, 11:28:13 AM

Quote from: Wrath of God on November 17, 2023, 07:52:44 AM

QuoteA closer comparison would be between neko and elves in anime, as both are attractive slightly-altered humans. Who either compete for a spot in fantasy works:

Maybe in anime fandom. In classic fantasy fandom elves are based conservative demihumans

In Tolkien at least. In Poul Anderson, they're cruel, decadent agents of chaos.  In folklore they can be anything from Keebler-esque tree spirits to child-snatching monsters. In Norse mythology they're....well no one really knows because they're only loosely mentioned in the sources. Granted, Tolkien certainly has had the biggest influence on elves in general fantasy, but the other versions of them have made their presence known as well.

My sense of the anime elf (which admittedly is mostly based on Goblin Slayer) is that like in most contemporary fantasy, they're some combination of Dungeons & Dragons (or possibly Fighting Fantasy, which I've heard has been more influential in Japan) and World of Warcraft.

Quote from: nielspeterdejong on November 17, 2023, 07:57:14 AM
Who says that elves aren't conservative demihumans in anime either? I recommend giving Frieren a try, as well as Faraway Paladin. The latter is literally a classic fantasy Dungeons & Dragons adventure, complete with elves/dwarves/halflings and people using spells that have a very old school fantasy feel to the

And aren't halflings technically furry elves? With their fuzzy feet, and the pointy ears they keep giving them XD

You probably don't want to open the can of worms surrounding what fetishes anime halflings may or may not be playing to.

Also, since you seem to be an expert on this, something I've wondered about: When they do these cat-girls in anime, do they ever show the sides of their head, where the human ears should be, or is it always just artfully sculpted hair to avoid the uncanniness of a human face with blank spots on either side?

Better keep that to yourself then XD

And so far most simply have hair covering those parts where the human ear ought to be. Because while they may look cute with those parts covered, they would look a little less cute if those were exposed: