Quote from: Crusader X;1137875Is the quality of the Lion & Dragon hardcover the same on Lulu as it is on DriveThruRPG?  Because it seems Lulu would have the lowest price for the HC when they run their various free shipping and discount coupons.

As far as I can tell, they're just as good.

I think it would work with my home campaign.  There is a monotheistic religion--the "old gods" are now seen as vassals and saints.  Heretics still see them as gods.  But the overall arc is a strong monotheistic nation.

There is a rift too within.  It's probably more adversarial than say orthodox and Byzantine vs. Catholicism.

Of course there are pagan analogues too.  However, I think I can drop this in to give the world some grit and to emphasize the pervasiveness of "the faith."  Thanks for the info.

Quote from: Warpiglet;1138044I think it would work with my home campaign.  There is a monotheistic religion--the "old gods" are now seen as vassals and saints.  Heretics still see them as gods.  But the overall arc is a strong monotheistic nation.

There is a rift too within.  It's probably more adversarial than say orthodox and Byzantine vs. Catholicism.

Of course there are pagan analogues too.  However, I think I can drop this in to give the world some grit and to emphasize the pervasiveness of "the faith."  Thanks for the info.

Plenty of pagan religions in other regions, the time is 1450 AD, just 42 years short of Columbus' famous voyage. What if the player characters get there first? I can think of a scenario. The Vikings colonized parts of the British Isles, at around 1000 AD a manuscript was left in a monestary, it recounts the saga of Leif Erikson's voyage to Vinland and there is an accompanying map showing the locations of Norway, Iceland. Greenland, and Vinland. In 1450 AD there are better ships than Leif Erikson had, supply the PCs with this information and through their adventuring they accumulate enough funding to buy a caravel ship, and then recruit a bunch of war refugees to settle a new land across the Atlantic. The Secret Kingdom. How long could they keep it a secret? For England it would be the east coast of North America.

No need to be a slave to history, the PCs could make their own history in this campaign world. Plenty of problems a long the way too. Since this is a fantasy setting, their could be sea monsters, there will be encounters with natives, and they have their own gods and beliefs. Probably the fur trade would be the best way to support this colony, bring trinkets to trade with the natives for furs, maybe settle on the island of Manhattan.

Very cool food for thought!

Quote from: RPGPundit;1138006As far as I can tell, they're just as good.

I have the hardcover of L&D from both Lulu and DTRPG, I'd agree they're about the same in quality. I was very impressed with the quality of a recent color hardcover I got from Lulu last week...far and away better than anything I got there previously. POD has gotten almost as good as large print runs.

Quote from: Brad;1138109I have the hardcover of L&D from both Lulu and DTRPG, I'd agree they're about the same in quality. I was very impressed with the quality of a recent color hardcover I got from Lulu last week...far and away better than anything I got there previously. POD has gotten almost as good as large print runs.

Some publishers I've dealt with seem to think that Lulu produces better books than DTRPG.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1138002The default year for Lion & Dragon is the 1450s, at the start of the War of the Roses. The Dark Albion timeline in the actual book covers from 1454-1485.

I've purchased Dark Albion, it's an interesting book, just skimmed through it, I see that magic is subdued, and monsters are rare, what about aquatic monsters, seems to me if they stay in the deep oceans, they wouldn't affect the campaign very much, unless a group of PCs were to finance an expedition across the Atlantic, "out Columbus" Columbus for instance, the oceans could hold a lot of monsters, the Kraken for example, there might be aquatic races such as the merfolk, they don't interact with humans much, but they could be out there, and of course the nastier aquatic races as well. The Merfolk in this setting would be descendants of the lost civilization of Atlantis, which I would put in the MidAtlantic ridge, out beyond the straights of Gibraltar or the Pillars of Hercules. The War of the Rose's will probably proceed whether the Americas are discovered early or not. The explorers would land in the northeast, in the Hudson Valley New York area or Cape Cod, of course the river would not be called the Hudson, Long Island will still be called Long Island, as that is a physical description. The Native Americans will have their own magic of course.

I'm stitching three campaign settings together: Dark Abion, a standard fantasy world in the Americas, and Traveller T20  RPG out in space, Atlantis has an underwater Stonehenge across the length of the Mid Atlantic Rift which serves as a gateway between worlds.

The Atlanteans constructed the gate as a means of escape, those that did not become merfolk escaped through that gates to another world, a world with two Suns, not all were able to make it, the gate only transports objects with intelligent creatures on them, such as wooden sailing ships with crews. There is a limit to their transportation capabilities, their energy banks ran low as people panicked as their continent began to sink, not all of them were able to make it, so the Atlanteans prayed to the God Poseidon, who then transformed them into merfolk, he also transformed the elves they were at war with into sea elves, this was about 10,000 years ago.

Sounds like an interesting campaign!  Dark Albion is a setting book and has hardly any details on monsters, but the bestiary in Lion & Dragon includes fish-men, and the Medieval Bestiaries (in the RPGPundit Presents series) include some sea creatures.