Like the tin says, the Pronouns in Bio mob has turned against ole Dany boy. He's facing cancellation for allegations of abuse and because his RPG contains racismism. As soon as I can I'll link to a not twitter summary, but in the mean time Enjoy:
https://twitter.com/dungeonminister/status/1546670784084467712 (https://twitter.com/dungeonminister/status/1546670784084467712)
As promised, a link where you don't have to go to the twatter:
https://archive.is/DceN6 (https://archive.is/DceN6)
Good. Fuck Daniel Fox. Do you think I should send him pirated copies of Zweihander?
Quote from: drayakir on July 12, 2022, 01:24:04 PM
Good. Fuck Daniel Fox. Do you think I should send him pirated copies of Zweihander?
That's the RPG about male German models, right?
The examples they've complained about are few and pretty weak. I was expecting something truly shocking and instead a person of mixed parentage decided that the way half-gnomes are self-loathing because of their mixed heritage is making some horrible statement about the real world? Or that some product has tools to prevent black characters from being stereotypes (but nothing about the tools themselves). Weak sauce.
Having said that, pass the popcorn.
Quote from: Ruprecht on July 12, 2022, 01:57:01 PM
The examples they've complained about are few and pretty weak. I was expecting something truly shocking and instead a person of mixed parentage decided that the way half-gnomes are self-loathing because of their mixed heritage is making some horrible statement about the real world? Or that some product has tools to prevent black characters from being stereotypes (but nothing about the tools themselves). Weak sauce.
Having said that, pass the popcorn.
Isn't it 99.99% of the time how it goes with them?
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LMAO there are a couple of random Kooks crying about Fox online. This will have 0 impact on his life or career. Cope and seethe.
Quote from: Reckall on July 12, 2022, 01:55:28 PM
Quote from: drayakir on July 12, 2022, 01:24:04 PM
Good. Fuck Daniel Fox. Do you think I should send him pirated copies of Zweihander?
That's the RPG about male German models, right?
It's the ripoff of WHFRP where he took the names out of everything.
Apparently he also bullied some people, but considering SJWs are crybullies I take those accusations with a grain of salt.
The bit about "racism" in his work is just... it's typical edgelord bullshit that reads like it was inserted as a bad joke aimed at insulting people who like playing gnomes. That's not indicative of actual racism. SJW crybullies call white people inherently evil all the time, so it's even less meaningful of an accusation.
Daniel Fox is without doubt a typical virtue signalling ass, but I'm not seeing much in this stuff to validate anything beyond typical snowflake claims. I've seen far worse things written about him and his propensity to malign others and try to take them down.
Though I did find it ironic that "Virtue Signaler" was not a profession in Zweihander....
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Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 12, 2022, 02:25:57 PM
LMAO there are a couple of random Kooks crying about Fox online. This will have 0 impact on his life or career. Cope and seethe.
Good on ya man. Stick with your mates.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 12, 2022, 12:53:11 PM
Like the tin says, the Pronouns in Bio mob has turned against ole Dany boy. He's facing cancellation for allegations of abuse and because his RPG contains racismism. As soon as I can I'll link to a not twitter summary, but in the mean time Enjoy:
https://twitter.com/dungeonminister/status/1546670784084467712 (https://twitter.com/dungeonminister/status/1546670784084467712)
Whatever. The guy, Esther W @dungeonminister, is toxic.
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 12, 2022, 02:25:57 PM
LMAO there are a couple of random Kooks crying about Fox online. This will have 0 impact on his life or career. Cope and seethe.
It looks like he did withdraw from participating in whatever this kook was complaining about. Though I agree these are nuts on the interwebs, and I can not see them impacting his business, they do seem to have impacted things he participates in....sort of sad random kooks can impact his life IMO.
Twittertards coping and seething as always.
Why is he Daniel D Zorro? I must have missed something.
This hobby desperately needs the SJW trash to have a big Jim Jones style hoedown at GenCon and suck down some organic, locally sourced, vegan Kool-aid.
As for the blue haired freak of the week, it's always fun to see the SJWs turn their circle-jerk into a shark chum feeding frenzy.
Quote from: Spinachcat on July 13, 2022, 04:41:49 AM
Why is he Daniel D Zorro? I must have missed something.
This hobby desperately needs the SJW trash to have a big Jim Jones style hoedown at GenCon and suck down some organic, locally sourced, vegan Kool-aid.
As for the blue haired freak of the week, it's always fun to see the SJWs turn their circle-jerk into a shark chum feeding frenzy.
I thought Zorro was spanish for fox, so it is daniel fox, the creator of Zwiehander.
We can't be sullying the mighty Legend of Zorro by associating him with that lame ass Zweifucker Boi, regardless of the translation!
Quote from: Shawn Driscoll on July 12, 2022, 08:18:00 PM
Whatever. The guy, Esther W @dungeonminister, is toxic.
The only ban reason I agree with TBP is "press conferencing".
Jesus, I hardly see where his description of Gnomes is racism, unless you're a Gnome-lover maybe...
I'm no friend of poxy foxy but could anyone take that other cretin seriously at all? Obviously just a lone crank...
Quote from: oggsmash on July 12, 2022, 08:34:02 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 12, 2022, 02:25:57 PM
LMAO there are a couple of random Kooks crying about Fox online. This will have 0 impact on his life or career. Cope and seethe.
It looks like he did withdraw from participating in whatever this kook was complaining about. Though I agree these are nuts on the interwebs, and I can not see them impacting his business, they do seem to have impacted things he participates in....sort of sad random kooks can impact his life IMO.
Some rando RPG writer decided to play the drama card and email a company who was hiring Danny Fox (Why are these people so afraid of using their real goddamn names?!?!). Company read the reciepts, saw they were bullshit, told said person to go away.
Snowflakes hate to be told no, 20 tweet storm ensues. No one cares.
Quote from: THE_Leopold on July 13, 2022, 09:31:05 AM
Quote from: oggsmash on July 12, 2022, 08:34:02 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 12, 2022, 02:25:57 PM
LMAO there are a couple of random Kooks crying about Fox online. This will have 0 impact on his life or career. Cope and seethe.
It looks like he did withdraw from participating in whatever this kook was complaining about. Though I agree these are nuts on the interwebs, and I can not see them impacting his business, they do seem to have impacted things he participates in....sort of sad random kooks can impact his life IMO.
Some rando RPG writer decided to play the drama card and email a company who was hiring Danny Fox (Why are these people so afraid of using their real goddamn names?!?!). Company read the reciepts, saw they were bullshit, told said person to go away.
Snowflakes hate to be told no, 20 tweet storm ensues. No one cares.
I guess that there was a lot of misunderstanding here. What the twatterati wanted to say was only:
- I'm not happy to just live my life, I must stab others in the back, bordering on Doxxing, because I'm the Meter of Truth.
- This organization has an extensive and detailed Code of Conduct and decided that there was no CoC violation. They didn't understand that
I'm above and beyond any CoC and that mine was not a request.- I want to emphasize that this is a personal decision but others are to blame for it.
- I reviewed the CoC and felt that given the values the organization sets forth in it, I needed to make someone aware of Daniel's patterns of behavior
because this organization, who has no problems with Daniel, is now obviously made of morons who need a mom. Also doing the job of the organization is not enough: I'll do the job for the entire internet.
- A lot of cool people participate in this program
and while I respect other people's choices, you now know why they are morons too, right?What I see here is very normal expression of concern by the average twatterati. If people choose to disagree, they are absolutely not to blame if their mother dropped them multiple times when they were born.
Quote from: Dropbear on July 13, 2022, 08:40:11 AM
Jesus, I hardly see where his description of Gnomes is racism, unless you're a Gnome-lover maybe...
If you are a gnome lover then there are a lot of RPGs (and settings) with "nice" gnomes. I see that description as how the gnomes are in that specific setting. I can't comment of the WHFR accuses since I do not know either RPG, but it is "Orcs are blacks!" all over again.
As a side note, one thing I agree with Pathfinder 2E is the use of the word "Ancestry" instead of "Race". Since D&D before-1E "Race" was a confusing term. Humans have different races, Elves have different races and so on. If a white character is racist towards black men, a silver elf can be racist towards wood elves. If in a setting white humans hate wood elves what that becomes? Racism squared?
I don't know if Pathfinder 2E used the term "Ancestry" out of wokeness. I don't even like "Ancestry" very much. What I know is that I was looking for a different term way before wokeness existed.
Quote from: Spinachcat on July 13, 2022, 04:41:49 AM
Why is he Daniel D Zorro? I must have missed something.
This hobby desperately needs the SJW trash to have a big Jim Jones style hoedown at GenCon and suck down some organic, locally sourced, vegan Kool-aid.
As for the blue haired freak of the week, it's always fun to see the SJWs turn their circle-jerk into a shark chum feeding frenzy.
Because the fucker loves to search his name and cause trouble.
Quote from: Reckall on July 13, 2022, 10:25:04 AM
Quote from: THE_Leopold on July 13, 2022, 09:31:05 AM
Quote from: oggsmash on July 12, 2022, 08:34:02 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 12, 2022, 02:25:57 PM
LMAO there are a couple of random Kooks crying about Fox online. This will have 0 impact on his life or career. Cope and seethe.
It looks like he did withdraw from participating in whatever this kook was complaining about. Though I agree these are nuts on the interwebs, and I can not see them impacting his business, they do seem to have impacted things he participates in....sort of sad random kooks can impact his life IMO.
Some rando RPG writer decided to play the drama card and email a company who was hiring Danny Fox (Why are these people so afraid of using their real goddamn names?!?!). Company read the reciepts, saw they were bullshit, told said person to go away.
Snowflakes hate to be told no, 20 tweet storm ensues. No one cares.
I guess that there was a lot of misunderstanding here. What the twatterati wanted to say was only:
- I'm not happy to just live my life, I must stab others in the back, bordering on Doxxing, because I'm the Meter of Truth.
- This organization has an extensive and detailed Code of Conduct and decided that there was no CoC violation. They didn't understand that I'm above and beyond any CoC and that mine was not a request.
- I want to emphasize that this is a personal decision but others are to blame for it.
- I reviewed the CoC and felt that given the values the organization sets forth in it, I needed to make someone aware of Daniel's patterns of behavior because this organization, who has no problems with Daniel, is now obviously made of morons who need a mom. Also doing the job of the organization is not enough: I'll do the job for the entire internet.
- A lot of cool people participate in this program and while I respect other people's choices, you now know why they are morons too, right?
What I see here is very normal expression of concern by the average twatterati. If people choose to disagree, they are absolutely not to blame if their mother dropped them multiple times when they were born.
Quote from: Dropbear on July 13, 2022, 08:40:11 AM
Jesus, I hardly see where his description of Gnomes is racism, unless you're a Gnome-lover maybe...
If you are a gnome lover then there are a lot of RPGs (and settings) with "nice" gnomes. I see that description as how the gnomes are in that specific setting. I can't comment of the WHFR accuses since I do not know either RPG, but it is "Orcs are blacks!" all over again.
As a side note, one thing I agree with Pathfinder 2E is the use of the word "Ancestry" instead of "Race". Since D&D before-1E "Race" was a confusing term. Humans have different races, Elves have different races and so on. If a white character is racist towards black men, a silver elf can be racist towards wood elves. If in a setting white humans hate wood elves what that becomes? Racism squared?
I don't know if Pathfinder 2E used the term "Ancestry" out of wokeness. I don't even like "Ancestry" very much. What I know is that I was looking for a different term way before wokeness existed.
I have been okay with Ancestry replacing the term Race since 2015, when Shadow of the Demon Lord came out. I feel that it fits well with what Schwalb was trying to do with it. I'm not so sure Paizo used it for the same reasons half a decade later or not but sure, it works.
Quote from: Reckall on July 13, 2022, 10:25:04 AM
Quote from: THE_Leopold on July 13, 2022, 09:31:05 AM
Quote from: oggsmash on July 12, 2022, 08:34:02 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 12, 2022, 02:25:57 PM
LMAO there are a couple of random Kooks crying about Fox online. This will have 0 impact on his life or career. Cope and seethe.
It looks like he did withdraw from participating in whatever this kook was complaining about. Though I agree these are nuts on the interwebs, and I can not see them impacting his business, they do seem to have impacted things he participates in....sort of sad random kooks can impact his life IMO.
Some rando RPG writer decided to play the drama card and email a company who was hiring Danny Fox (Why are these people so afraid of using their real goddamn names?!?!). Company read the reciepts, saw they were bullshit, told said person to go away.
Snowflakes hate to be told no, 20 tweet storm ensues. No one cares.
I guess that there was a lot of misunderstanding here. What the twatterati wanted to say was only:
- I'm not happy to just live my life, I must stab others in the back, bordering on Doxxing, because I'm the Meter of Truth.
- This organization has an extensive and detailed Code of Conduct and decided that there was no CoC violation. They didn't understand that I'm above and beyond any CoC and that mine was not a request.
- I want to emphasize that this is a personal decision but others are to blame for it.
- I reviewed the CoC and felt that given the values the organization sets forth in it, I needed to make someone aware of Daniel's patterns of behavior because this organization, who has no problems with Daniel, is now obviously made of morons who need a mom. Also doing the job of the organization is not enough: I'll do the job for the entire internet.
- A lot of cool people participate in this program and while I respect other people's choices, you now know why they are morons too, right?
What I see here is very normal expression of concern by the average twatterati. If people choose to disagree, they are absolutely not to blame if their mother dropped them multiple times when they were born.
Quote from: Dropbear on July 13, 2022, 08:40:11 AM
Jesus, I hardly see where his description of Gnomes is racism, unless you're a Gnome-lover maybe...
If you are a gnome lover then there are a lot of RPGs (and settings) with "nice" gnomes. I see that description as how the gnomes are in that specific setting. I can't comment of the WHFR accuses since I do not know either RPG, but it is "Orcs are blacks!" all over again.
As a side note, one thing I agree with Pathfinder 2E is the use of the word "Ancestry" instead of "Race". Since D&D before-1E "Race" was a confusing term. Humans have different races, Elves have different races and so on. If a white character is racist towards black men, a silver elf can be racist towards wood elves. If in a setting white humans hate wood elves what that becomes? Racism squared?
I don't know if Pathfinder 2E used the term "Ancestry" out of wokeness. I don't even like "Ancestry" very much. What I know is that I was looking for a different term way before wokeness existed.
Danny boy is also a twatterati, fuck him.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 13, 2022, 11:06:10 AM
Quote from: Spinachcat on July 13, 2022, 04:41:49 AM
Why is he Daniel D Zorro? I must have missed something.
This hobby desperately needs the SJW trash to have a big Jim Jones style hoedown at GenCon and suck down some organic, locally sourced, vegan Kool-aid.
As for the blue haired freak of the week, it's always fun to see the SJWs turn their circle-jerk into a shark chum feeding frenzy.
Because the fucker loves to search his name and cause trouble.
He must be getting diamond like over this current kerfluffle.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 13, 2022, 11:08:21 AM
Danny boy is also a twatterati, fuck him.
I literally don't know who he is, and looking for more info is not among the first 100 things that I have to think about right now.
When someone advocates burning down houses as a legitimate tactic, they don't get to complain when their house is burned down.
Daniel Fox has been at the forefront of using social media to promote himself and destroy others. I hope he loses his career, all his money, and everything he's worked for. And I hope it's all based on a ridiculous and easily disprovable accusation that he's not even guilty of. He'd do that to you.
Quote from: Eirikrautha on July 13, 2022, 11:16:47 AM
When someone advocates burning down houses as a legitimate tactic, they don't get to complain when their house is burned down.
Wow.
i agree so fucking much.
One old expression comes to mind.
One reaps what one sow's m.
He wanted to play go go might virtue woke Ranger.
He now gets to suffer for failing the purity test.
In my less charitable moments, I'm a Kantian through and through: People ought to be treated as if the rules they imply by their actions were, in fact, the rules for them.
SJW's eating their own is about the only productive thing they do with their lives. We really shouldn't try to take that from them. :D
Quote from: Dropbear on July 13, 2022, 08:40:11 AM
Jesus, I hardly see where his description of Gnomes is racism, unless you're a Gnome-lover maybe...
Somebody got upset that some people claimed that Gnomes were the "byproducts" of the worst of Elvish and Dwarvish desires and saw it as a quasi-personal attack (since they identify as biracial). Note, Gnomes being half-anythings isn't presented as a setting fact, just a slur passed around in setting (EDIT: correction. I'm not sure if the book is talking to me the reader or a character inside the setting. Either way, I'm a mentally healthy and secure adult, so I don't care what the mean old game book says about fantasy creatures). Because folks in Zweihander (and the WFRP setting Fox cribbed off of) actually are pretty horrible and awful by (gasp!) intentional design! Shiny happy tieflings holding hands WarhammerFRP is not. But we're also talking about the same crowd who think orcs and drow are synonymous with black people for some reason (and to be fair, African Americans have a long history of living underground and using magical powers in service to their demon spider goddess).
And as a friendly reminder: Daniel Fox's wife got pregnant by another man because he needed to see how somebody else did it first.
Quote from: Habitual Gamer on July 13, 2022, 02:35:09 PM
Quote from: Dropbear on July 13, 2022, 08:40:11 AM
Jesus, I hardly see where his description of Gnomes is racism, unless you're a Gnome-lover maybe...
And as a friendly reminder: Daniel Fox's wife got pregnant by another man because he needed to see how somebody else did it first.
He's a cuck? What the fuck
This man killed The Trove. One of the best places for finding obscure and out of print old RPG products. Something about copyright infringement. Which is rich coming from the guy who made a derivative of Warhammer Fantasy Role Playing. So he can go take a long walk off a short pier as far as I'm concerned.
Quote from: King Tyranno on July 14, 2022, 05:43:49 AM
This man killed The Trove. One of the best places for finding obscure and out of print old RPG products. Something about copyright infringement. Which is rich coming from the guy who made a derivative of Warhammer Fantasy Role Playing. So he can go take a long walk off a short pier as far as I'm concerned.
That's where I remember his name from. Yeah, f this guy.
Quote from: King Tyranno on July 14, 2022, 05:43:49 AM
This man killed The Trove. One of the best places for finding obscure and out of print old RPG products. Something about copyright infringement. Which is rich coming from the guy who made a derivative of Warhammer Fantasy Role Playing. So he can go take a long walk off a short pier as far as I'm concerned.
His name carries as much hatred as Voldemort and when he or his products mentioned a great roil goes through the group...
Quote from: drayakir on July 12, 2022, 03:18:31 PM
Quote from: Reckall on July 12, 2022, 01:55:28 PM
Quote from: drayakir on July 12, 2022, 01:24:04 PM
Good. Fuck Daniel Fox. Do you think I should send him pirated copies of Zweihander?
That's the RPG about male German models, right?
It's the ripoff of WHFRP where he took the names out of everything.
Much like how every retroclone did this with D&D and is the entire business model of the OSR.
Quote from: King Tyranno on July 14, 2022, 05:43:49 AM
This man killed The Trove. One of the best places for finding obscure and out of print old RPG products. Something about copyright infringement. Which is rich coming from the guy who made a derivative of Warhammer Fantasy Role Playing. So he can go take a long walk off a short pier as far as I'm concerned.
What bothered me about his takedown of the Trove was how obnoxious he was. Instead of a simple press release, he did a little sack dance crowing about how he'd owned 'le pirates'.
Now, yes, the Trove was a pirate haven. But as you noted, it was also one of the only places to locate out of print and obscure RPGs.
So yeah, Zorro can get fucked. I hope everyone torrents his crap from now till the Internet collapses.
What Fox has done with Zweihander is not significantly different from OSE, Swords & Wizardry or any number of retroclones out there.
Also, there are still plenty of places to get pirated stuff out there, and The Trove was never the best, nor the most comprehensive. Its download speed was shit.
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 09:33:53 AM
What Fox has done with Zweihander is not significantly different from OSE, Swords & Wizardry or any number of retroclones out there.
Also, there are still plenty of places to get pirated stuff out there, and The Trove was never the best, nor the most comprehensive. Its download speed was shit.
Do you get paid for acting like a contrarian ass on this site's threads? I think you should be, you do a great job.
Quote from: MeganovaStella on July 14, 2022, 09:41:36 AM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 09:33:53 AM
What Fox has done with Zweihander is not significantly different from OSE, Swords & Wizardry or any number of retroclones out there.
Also, there are still plenty of places to get pirated stuff out there, and The Trove was never the best, nor the most comprehensive. Its download speed was shit.
Do you get paid for acting like a contrarian ass on this site's threads? I think you should be, you do a great job.
He's filling in for Battlemaster now that he was banned.
Quote from: MeganovaStella on July 14, 2022, 09:41:36 AM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 09:33:53 AM
What Fox has done with Zweihander is not significantly different from OSE, Swords & Wizardry or any number of retroclones out there.
Also, there are still plenty of places to get pirated stuff out there, and The Trove was never the best, nor the most comprehensive. Its download speed was shit.
Do you get paid for acting like a contrarian ass on this site's threads? I think you should be, you do a great job.
He's hoping TBP-senpai notices him.
Quote from: MeganovaStella on July 14, 2022, 09:41:36 AM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 09:33:53 AM
What Fox has done with Zweihander is not significantly different from OSE, Swords & Wizardry or any number of retroclones out there.
Also, there are still plenty of places to get pirated stuff out there, and The Trove was never the best, nor the most comprehensive. Its download speed was shit.
Do you get paid for acting like a contrarian ass on this site's threads? I think you should be, you do a great job.
Nice ad hominem, next time you can just admit that you can't refute the argument. It'd be more honest.
Quote from: Reckall on July 12, 2022, 01:55:28 PM
Quote from: drayakir on July 12, 2022, 01:24:04 PM
Good. Fuck Daniel Fox. Do you think I should send him pirated copies of Zweihander?
That's the RPG about male German models, right?
I would literally play a Zoolander pun RPG a thousand times more than the Warhammer knockoff omnibus by Daniel Fox.
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 09:33:53 AM
What Fox has done with Zweihander is not significantly different from OSE, Swords & Wizardry or any number of retroclones out there.
Also, there are still plenty of places to get pirated stuff out there, and The Trove was never the best, nor the most comprehensive. Its download speed was shit.
The problem isn't that he made a rip off of Warhammer, Warhammer itself is very derivative of multiple sources. The problem is that he made a rip off of Warhammer and then with no self awareness of his own hypocrisy whatsoever directly inconvenienced many people including myself for his own aggrandizement whilst claiming he was defending his and other author's copyright. Whilst all he ever did was make a derivative of someone else's work and then sell it He's an SJW who like all SJWs won't live by the rules he sets out and bullies people for not following. Most OSR authors don't do that. Because they know the score and they know how tenuous their position is legally if they poke the bear.
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 09:33:53 AM
What Fox has done with Zweihander is not significantly different from OSE, Swords & Wizardry or any number of retroclones out there.
Also, there are still plenty of places to get pirated stuff out there, and The Trove was never the best, nor the most comprehensive. Its download speed was shit.
Nope, because the retroclones added their own thing. Zweihander hasn't. It literally just removed all the copyrighted names and then everything else is literally word for word as it is in the WHFRP book. Check it yourself.
Quote from: drayakir on July 14, 2022, 11:46:35 AM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 09:33:53 AM
What Fox has done with Zweihander is not significantly different from OSE, Swords & Wizardry or any number of retroclones out there.
Also, there are still plenty of places to get pirated stuff out there, and The Trove was never the best, nor the most comprehensive. Its download speed was shit.
Nope, because the retroclones added their own thing. Zweihander hasn't. It literally just removed all the copyrighted names and then everything else is literally word for word as it is in the WHFRP book. Check it yourself.
To your first claim, I'm curious as to what you think OSE "added"? Or Swords & Wizardry, for that matter?
As to your second claim, which I assumed was hyperbolic until I saw that you had used the term, "literally", er, no. I own and have read WFRP and Zweihander, and while the latter is obviously and admittedly based off of the former, it is not "word for word". It's nearly double the length, for cryin' out loud. Zweihander uses a different damage system, a "track" instead of a hit-point like system. It handles Armor differently. It handles Magic differently. There are more Combat options. There are differences in Character generation, the way it handles Careers, and on and on.
Quote from: VengerSatanis on July 14, 2022, 11:02:37 AM
Quote from: Reckall on July 12, 2022, 01:55:28 PM
Quote from: drayakir on July 12, 2022, 01:24:04 PM
Good. Fuck Daniel Fox. Do you think I should send him pirated copies of Zweihander?
That's the RPG about male German models, right?
I would literally play a Zoolander pun RPG a thousand times more than the Warhammer knockoff omnibus by Daniel Fox.
I mean, "pop culture pun" is basically the extent of your writing/design capability, so that tracks.
The one thing that disturbs me is is that this person is using @dungeonminister for their handle, the real dungeon minister, https://twitter.com/MinisterDungeon , should be the one who is most upset by a clearly toxic person besmirching the name combination he uses.
Reading through that series of tweets, its kind of like a bingo checklist of all the things you expect someone to say "I really thought about whether or not I should come out publicly" "oh I don't like to make trouble but I decided someone had to say something" etc etc.
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 12:38:01 PM
Quote from: drayakir on July 14, 2022, 11:46:35 AM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 09:33:53 AM
What Fox has done with Zweihander is not significantly different from OSE, Swords & Wizardry or any number of retroclones out there.
Also, there are still plenty of places to get pirated stuff out there, and The Trove was never the best, nor the most comprehensive. Its download speed was shit.
Nope, because the retroclones added their own thing. Zweihander hasn't. It literally just removed all the copyrighted names and then everything else is literally word for word as it is in the WHFRP book. Check it yourself.
To your first claim, I'm curious as to what you think OSE "added"? Or Swords & Wizardry, for that matter?
As to your second claim, which I assumed was hyperbolic until I saw that you had used the term, "literally", er, no. I own and have read WFRP and Zweihander, and while the latter is obviously and admittedly based off of the former, it is not "word for word". It's nearly double the length, for cryin' out loud. Zweihander uses a different damage system, a "track" instead of a hit-point like system. It handles Armor differently. It handles Magic differently. There are more Combat options. There are differences in Character generation, the way it handles Careers, and on and on.
Quote from: VengerSatanis on July 14, 2022, 11:02:37 AM
Quote from: Reckall on July 12, 2022, 01:55:28 PM
Quote from: drayakir on July 12, 2022, 01:24:04 PM
Good. Fuck Daniel Fox. Do you think I should send him pirated copies of Zweihander?
That's the RPG about male German models, right?
I would literally play a Zoolander pun RPG a thousand times more than the Warhammer knockoff omnibus by Daniel Fox.
I mean, "pop culture pun" is basically the extent of your writing/design capability, so that tracks.
Why would someone go on the Internet and tell lies? It's LITERALLY identical with the lore, setting info, and names taken out.
Quote from: drayakir on July 14, 2022, 04:56:31 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 12:38:01 PM
Quote from: drayakir on July 14, 2022, 11:46:35 AM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 09:33:53 AM
What Fox has done with Zweihander is not significantly different from OSE, Swords & Wizardry or any number of retroclones out there.
Also, there are still plenty of places to get pirated stuff out there, and The Trove was never the best, nor the most comprehensive. Its download speed was shit.
Nope, because the retroclones added their own thing. Zweihander hasn't. It literally just removed all the copyrighted names and then everything else is literally word for word as it is in the WHFRP book. Check it yourself.
To your first claim, I'm curious as to what you think OSE "added"? Or Swords & Wizardry, for that matter?
As to your second claim, which I assumed was hyperbolic until I saw that you had used the term, "literally", er, no. I own and have read WFRP and Zweihander, and while the latter is obviously and admittedly based off of the former, it is not "word for word". It's nearly double the length, for cryin' out loud. Zweihander uses a different damage system, a "track" instead of a hit-point like system. It handles Armor differently. It handles Magic differently. There are more Combat options. There are differences in Character generation, the way it handles Careers, and on and on.
Quote from: VengerSatanis on July 14, 2022, 11:02:37 AM
Quote from: Reckall on July 12, 2022, 01:55:28 PM
Quote from: drayakir on July 12, 2022, 01:24:04 PM
Good. Fuck Daniel Fox. Do you think I should send him pirated copies of Zweihander?
That's the RPG about male German models, right?
I would literally play a Zoolander pun RPG a thousand times more than the Warhammer knockoff omnibus by Daniel Fox.
I mean, "pop culture pun" is basically the extent of your writing/design capability, so that tracks.
Why would someone go on the Internet and tell lies? It's LITERALLY identical with the lore, setting info, and names taken out.
You're either taking the piss or you LITERALLY have no idea wtf you're talking about. Take your own advice and read one or both of those games. Also still waiting on an answer ast to what OSE/S&W "add"...
Quote from: drayakir on July 14, 2022, 04:56:31 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 12:38:01 PM
Quote from: drayakir on July 14, 2022, 11:46:35 AM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 09:33:53 AM
What Fox has done with Zweihander is not significantly different from OSE, Swords & Wizardry or any number of retroclones out there.
Also, there are still plenty of places to get pirated stuff out there, and The Trove was never the best, nor the most comprehensive. Its download speed was shit.
Nope, because the retroclones added their own thing. Zweihander hasn't. It literally just removed all the copyrighted names and then everything else is literally word for word as it is in the WHFRP book. Check it yourself.
To your first claim, I'm curious as to what you think OSE "added"? Or Swords & Wizardry, for that matter?
As to your second claim, which I assumed was hyperbolic until I saw that you had used the term, "literally", er, no. I own and have read WFRP and Zweihander, and while the latter is obviously and admittedly based off of the former, it is not "word for word". It's nearly double the length, for cryin' out loud. Zweihander uses a different damage system, a "track" instead of a hit-point like system. It handles Armor differently. It handles Magic differently. There are more Combat options. There are differences in Character generation, the way it handles Careers, and on and on.
Quote from: VengerSatanis on July 14, 2022, 11:02:37 AM
Quote from: Reckall on July 12, 2022, 01:55:28 PM
Quote from: drayakir on July 12, 2022, 01:24:04 PM
Good. Fuck Daniel Fox. Do you think I should send him pirated copies of Zweihander?
That's the RPG about male German models, right?
I would literally play a Zoolander pun RPG a thousand times more than the Warhammer knockoff omnibus by Daniel Fox.
I mean, "pop culture pun" is basically the extent of your writing/design capability, so that tracks.
Why would someone go on the Internet and tell lies? It's LITERALLY identical with the lore, setting info, and names taken out.
You're wrong. Zweihander has several differences (as has been pointed out), some of them quite significant. Unfortunately, both it and WFRP 4e added more complexity than I like, so I still prefer WFRP 2e.
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Quote from: drayakir on July 14, 2022, 04:56:31 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 12:38:01 PM
Quote from: drayakir on July 14, 2022, 11:46:35 AM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 09:33:53 AM
What Fox has done with Zweihander is not significantly different from OSE, Swords & Wizardry or any number of retroclones out there.
Also, there are still plenty of places to get pirated stuff out there, and The Trove was never the best, nor the most comprehensive. Its download speed was shit.
Nope, because the retroclones added their own thing. Zweihander hasn't. It literally just removed all the copyrighted names and then everything else is literally word for word as it is in the WHFRP book. Check it yourself.
To your first claim, I'm curious as to what you think OSE "added"? Or Swords & Wizardry, for that matter?
As to your second claim, which I assumed was hyperbolic until I saw that you had used the term, "literally", er, no. I own and have read WFRP and Zweihander, and while the latter is obviously and admittedly based off of the former, it is not "word for word". It's nearly double the length, for cryin' out loud. Zweihander uses a different damage system, a "track" instead of a hit-point like system. It handles Armor differently. It handles Magic differently. There are more Combat options. There are differences in Character generation, the way it handles Careers, and on and on.
Quote from: VengerSatanis on July 14, 2022, 11:02:37 AM
Quote from: Reckall on July 12, 2022, 01:55:28 PM
Quote from: drayakir on July 12, 2022, 01:24:04 PM
Good. Fuck Daniel Fox. Do you think I should send him pirated copies of Zweihander?
That's the RPG about male German models, right?
I would literally play a Zoolander pun RPG a thousand times more than the Warhammer knockoff omnibus by Daniel Fox.
I mean, "pop culture pun" is basically the extent of your writing/design capability, so that tracks.
Why would someone go on the Internet and tell lies? It's LITERALLY identical with the lore, setting info, and names taken out.
You're either taking the piss or you LITERALLY have no idea wtf you're talking about. Take your own advice and read one or both of those games. Also still waiting on an answer ast to what OSE/S&W "add"...
I don't owe you an answer. Look it up yourself. And yeah, the book is LITERALLY identical (okay, the typeset and some of the art is different). Passages that are lifted verbatim from WHFRP are a constant fixture. You need to check it again, LITERALLY read the two texts side by side. Or just run it through a plagiarism checker.
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 12:38:01 PM
As to your second claim, which I assumed was hyperbolic until I saw that you had used the term, "literally", er, no. I own and have read WFRP and Zweihander, and while the latter is obviously and admittedly based off of the former, it is not "word for word". It's nearly double the length, for cryin' out loud. Zweihander uses a different damage system, a "track" instead of a hit-point like system. It handles Armor differently. It handles Magic differently. There are more Combat options. There are differences in Character generation, the way it handles Careers, and on and on.
A friend has a copy and I've read quite a bit of it. I agree that it is NOT a "derivative work" of WFRPG at all.
Quote from: drayakir on July 14, 2022, 06:31:15 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 05:29:26 PM
Quote from: drayakir on July 14, 2022, 04:56:31 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 12:38:01 PM
Quote from: drayakir on July 14, 2022, 11:46:35 AM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 09:33:53 AM
What Fox has done with Zweihander is not significantly different from OSE, Swords & Wizardry or any number of retroclones out there.
Also, there are still plenty of places to get pirated stuff out there, and The Trove was never the best, nor the most comprehensive. Its download speed was shit.
Nope, because the retroclones added their own thing. Zweihander hasn't. It literally just removed all the copyrighted names and then everything else is literally word for word as it is in the WHFRP book. Check it yourself.
To your first claim, I'm curious as to what you think OSE "added"? Or Swords & Wizardry, for that matter?
As to your second claim, which I assumed was hyperbolic until I saw that you had used the term, "literally", er, no. I own and have read WFRP and Zweihander, and while the latter is obviously and admittedly based off of the former, it is not "word for word". It's nearly double the length, for cryin' out loud. Zweihander uses a different damage system, a "track" instead of a hit-point like system. It handles Armor differently. It handles Magic differently. There are more Combat options. There are differences in Character generation, the way it handles Careers, and on and on.
Quote from: VengerSatanis on July 14, 2022, 11:02:37 AM
Quote from: Reckall on July 12, 2022, 01:55:28 PM
Quote from: drayakir on July 12, 2022, 01:24:04 PM
Good. Fuck Daniel Fox. Do you think I should send him pirated copies of Zweihander?
That's the RPG about male German models, right?
I would literally play a Zoolander pun RPG a thousand times more than the Warhammer knockoff omnibus by Daniel Fox.
I mean, "pop culture pun" is basically the extent of your writing/design capability, so that tracks.
Why would someone go on the Internet and tell lies? It's LITERALLY identical with the lore, setting info, and names taken out.
You're either taking the piss or you LITERALLY have no idea wtf you're talking about. Take your own advice and read one or both of those games. Also still waiting on an answer ast to what OSE/S&W "add"...
I don't owe you an answer. Look it up yourself. And yeah, the book is LITERALLY identical (okay, the typeset and some of the art is different). Passages that are lifted verbatim from WHFRP are a constant fixture. You need to check it again, LITERALLY read the two texts side by side. Or just run it through a plagiarism checker.
The thing is, I do own all of these games, I HAVE looked, and I don't see any evidence of what you're talking about. And it looks like I'm not the only one. You're the one making the claims. You can refuse to support your claims, but that just underscores the fact that you're talking out of your ass. Feel free to post some screenshots, I'll wait. My guess is that you won't, because you're either dumb or dishonest, and haven't bothered to do the legwork that you're asking others to do, which some of us have actually done.
Talk about a Leopards Ate My Face moment.
It was inevitable, really. I'm only surprised it didn't happen sooner.
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Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 12:38:01 PM
As to your second claim, which I assumed was hyperbolic until I saw that you had used the term, "literally", er, no. I own and have read WFRP and Zweihander, and while the latter is obviously and admittedly based off of the former, it is not "word for word". It's nearly double the length, for cryin' out loud. Zweihander uses a different damage system, a "track" instead of a hit-point like system. It handles Armor differently. It handles Magic differently. There are more Combat options. There are differences in Character generation, the way it handles Careers, and on and on.
A friend has a copy and I've read quite a bit of it. I agree that it is NOT a "derivative work" of WFRPG at all.
Greetings!
Hey DocJones! Very interesting! I'm not surprised, really. I always assumed that Zweihander was simply *inspired* by WFRP. All of the internet people claiming that Daniel Fox *stole everything from WFRP* or copied it entirely, or otherwise, somehow, "Ripped Off WFRP!" are just jealous crybabies that Daniel Fox was inspired by WFRP, and created a new game book and system that raked in *trainloads of money* and made Daniel Fox very successful and prominent--far more so than many of his critics that have always bitterly gnashed their teeth in envy.
And no, I am not a fan of Daniel Fox, nor have I even purchased Zweihander.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: drayakir on July 14, 2022, 06:31:15 PM
I don't owe you an answer. Look it up yourself. And yeah, the book is LITERALLY identical (okay, the typeset and some of the art is different). Passages that are lifted verbatim from WHFRP are a constant fixture. You need to check it again, LITERALLY read the two texts side by side. Or just run it through a plagiarism checker.
Plagiarism is a pretty serious accusation that can have career-ending implications. It's not something you make without evidence to back it up. I'd consider it hyperbole without some citations.
Also, if Mr. Zorro really did "literally" plagiarize the text of WFRP (and Zweihander's been out for about 5 years now), do you really not think that Games Workshop or Cubicle 7 would have sued the shit out of him already? If it's that obvious surely their lawyers would have discovered the same thing after this much time.
I have zero love for the guy. He's a major troll and a cancer on the hobby, but there's a wide gulf between being a dick and a hack and what you're accusing him of.
Didn't he get into some legal issues with C7/GW because he bought WarhammerFantasyRoleplay (or some such) as a domain and had it link to his knockoff's website?
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 06:44:47 PM
SNIP
Oh no no no. It's on you to disprove me. You take the time to dig it up - I have better things to do than to read plagiarism committed by a hack.
Quote from: Snark Knight on July 14, 2022, 07:32:07 PM
Didn't he get into some legal issues with C7/GW because he bought WarhammerFantasyRoleplay (or some such) as a domain and had it link to his knockoff's website?
Quote from: Mad Tom on July 14, 2022, 07:17:42 PM
Quote from: drayakir on July 14, 2022, 06:31:15 PM
I don't owe you an answer. Look it up yourself. And yeah, the book is LITERALLY identical (okay, the typeset and some of the art is different). Passages that are lifted verbatim from WHFRP are a constant fixture. You need to check it again, LITERALLY read the two texts side by side. Or just run it through a plagiarism checker.
Plagiarism is a pretty serious accusation that can have career-ending implications. It's not something you make without evidence to back it up. I'd consider it hyperbole without some citations.
Also, if Mr. Zorro really did "literally" plagiarize the text of WFRP (and Zweihander's been out for about 5 years now), do you really not think that Games Workshop or Cubicle 7 would have sued the shit out of him already? If it's that obvious surely their lawyers would have discovered the same thing after this much time.
I have zero love for the guy. He's a major troll and a cancer on the hobby, but there's a wide gulf between being a dick and a hack and what you're accusing him of.
Quote from: drayakir on July 14, 2022, 07:57:53 PM
Oh no no no. It's on you to disprove me. You take the time to dig it up - I have better things to do than to read plagiarism committed by a hack.
The burden of proof falls on the accuser. That's how things work in the grownup world.
* *He says, on a message board about elf-games. :o
Quote from: drayakir on July 14, 2022, 06:31:15 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 05:29:26 PM
Quote from: drayakir on July 14, 2022, 04:56:31 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 12:38:01 PM
Quote from: drayakir on July 14, 2022, 11:46:35 AM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 09:33:53 AM
What Fox has done with Zweihander is not significantly different from OSE, Swords & Wizardry or any number of retroclones out there.
Also, there are still plenty of places to get pirated stuff out there, and The Trove was never the best, nor the most comprehensive. Its download speed was shit.
Nope, because the retroclones added their own thing. Zweihander hasn't. It literally just removed all the copyrighted names and then everything else is literally word for word as it is in the WHFRP book. Check it yourself.
To your first claim, I'm curious as to what you think OSE "added"? Or Swords & Wizardry, for that matter?
As to your second claim, which I assumed was hyperbolic until I saw that you had used the term, "literally", er, no. I own and have read WFRP and Zweihander, and while the latter is obviously and admittedly based off of the former, it is not "word for word". It's nearly double the length, for cryin' out loud. Zweihander uses a different damage system, a "track" instead of a hit-point like system. It handles Armor differently. It handles Magic differently. There are more Combat options. There are differences in Character generation, the way it handles Careers, and on and on.
Quote from: VengerSatanis on July 14, 2022, 11:02:37 AM
Quote from: Reckall on July 12, 2022, 01:55:28 PM
Quote from: drayakir on July 12, 2022, 01:24:04 PM
Good. Fuck Daniel Fox. Do you think I should send him pirated copies of Zweihander?
That's the RPG about male German models, right?
I would literally play a Zoolander pun RPG a thousand times more than the Warhammer knockoff omnibus by Daniel Fox.
I mean, "pop culture pun" is basically the extent of your writing/design capability, so that tracks.
Why would someone go on the Internet and tell lies? It's LITERALLY identical with the lore, setting info, and names taken out.
You're either taking the piss or you LITERALLY have no idea wtf you're talking about. Take your own advice and read one or both of those games. Also still waiting on an answer ast to what OSE/S&W "add"...
I don't owe you an answer. Look it up yourself. And yeah, the book is LITERALLY identical (okay, the typeset and some of the art is different). Passages that are lifted verbatim from WHFRP are a constant fixture. You need to check it again, LITERALLY read the two texts side by side. Or just run it through a plagiarism checker.
I despise the guy, that being said if he had plagiarized WHFRPG GW would have sued him into destitution. He took it and changed enough that there's no GW IP in a readily identifiable way, he probably took the rules and mechanics and changed the expression (since that's what the law calls for), he probably took the lore and changed it enough to not be exposed to a law suit.
That being said, it's a shame the guy is a cunt because I would rather give my money to someone not GW, as it is I'll give it to someone else not GW nor Fox because fuck them both.
Quote from: drayakir on July 14, 2022, 07:57:53 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 06:44:47 PM
SNIP
Oh no no no. It's on you to disprove me. You take the time to dig it up
Well, no. The burden of proof is on the accuser.
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I have better things to do than to read plagiarism committed by a hack.
If you
know that it is plagiarism then you already have proof - because you won't accuse someone of such a crucial act without proof, won't you? You are too righteous for that, so just produce the proof that you obviously already have about this act of plagiarism and we all will move on.
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 10:01:27 AM
Quote from: MeganovaStella on July 14, 2022, 09:41:36 AM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 09:33:53 AM
What Fox has done with Zweihander is not significantly different from OSE, Swords & Wizardry or any number of retroclones out there.
Also, there are still plenty of places to get pirated stuff out there, and The Trove was never the best, nor the most comprehensive. Its download speed was shit.
Do you get paid for acting like a contrarian ass on this site's threads? I think you should be, you do a great job.
Nice ad hominem, next time you can just admit that you can't refute the argument. It'd be more honest.
If you don't want to get insulted, how about you kill yourself? If you're dead, you can't see my posts.
With respect to what Swords & Wizardry & OSE change from the originals, it's quite a bit, actually. For example, both offer ascending AC as an option. Swords & Wizardry has the single saving throw. It changes some of the class/race options and level limits. There are other tweaks throughout and Matt Finch usually explains where and why he made changes or clarifications.
As for OSE, again, there are clarifications and rulings that clean things up from the original. But where it really "adds" material is with OSE Advanced. There are lots of new race classes and the standard extra AD&D classes are all B/Xified. The same for the monsters, along with a few new creatures. There are also some original spells & rules adapted (but modified) from AD&D.
So, no they aren't verbatim copies. And neither is Zweihander.
Quote from: Persimmon on July 14, 2022, 10:52:08 PM
With respect to what Swords & Wizardry & OSE change from the originals, it's quite a bit, actually. For example, both offer ascending AC as an option. Swords & Wizardry has the single saving throw. It changes some of the class/race options and level limits. There are other tweaks throughout and Matt Finch usually explains where and why he made changes or clarifications.
As for OSE, again, there are clarifications and rulings that clean things up from the original. But where it really "adds" material is with OSE Advanced. There are lots of new race classes and the standard extra AD&D classes are all B/Xified. The same for the monsters, along with a few new creatures. There are also some original spells & rules adapted (but modified) from AD&D.
So, no they aren't verbatim copies. And neither is Zweihander.
Yeah, that's a good appraisal.
Quote from: MeganovaStella on July 14, 2022, 10:16:24 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 10:01:27 AM
Quote from: MeganovaStella on July 14, 2022, 09:41:36 AM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 09:33:53 AM
What Fox has done with Zweihander is not significantly different from OSE, Swords & Wizardry or any number of retroclones out there.
Also, there are still plenty of places to get pirated stuff out there, and The Trove was never the best, nor the most comprehensive. Its download speed was shit.
Do you get paid for acting like a contrarian ass on this site's threads? I think you should be, you do a great job.
Nice ad hominem, next time you can just admit that you can't refute the argument. It'd be more honest.
If you don't want to get insulted, how about you kill yourself? If you're dead, you can't see my posts.
Jesus, who let the /b/tards in here?
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Quote from: MeganovaStella on July 14, 2022, 10:16:24 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 10:01:27 AM
Quote from: MeganovaStella on July 14, 2022, 09:41:36 AM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 09:33:53 AM
What Fox has done with Zweihander is not significantly different from OSE, Swords & Wizardry or any number of retroclones out there.
Also, there are still plenty of places to get pirated stuff out there, and The Trove was never the best, nor the most comprehensive. Its download speed was shit.
Do you get paid for acting like a contrarian ass on this site's threads? I think you should be, you do a great job.
Nice ad hominem, next time you can just admit that you can't refute the argument. It'd be more honest.
If you don't want to get insulted, how about you kill yourself? If you're dead, you can't see my posts.
Jesus, who let the /b/tards in here?
I don't go on 4chan. Have you considered following my advice?
That title... I'm just like lol. Wasn't Zewy all woky? What happened, why so rebellious!?
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Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 10:01:27 AM
Quote from: MeganovaStella on July 14, 2022, 09:41:36 AM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 09:33:53 AM
What Fox has done with Zweihander is not significantly different from OSE, Swords & Wizardry or any number of retroclones out there.
Also, there are still plenty of places to get pirated stuff out there, and The Trove was never the best, nor the most comprehensive. Its download speed was shit.
Do you get paid for acting like a contrarian ass on this site's threads? I think you should be, you do a great job.
Nice ad hominem, next time you can just admit that you can't refute the argument. It'd be more honest.
If you don't want to get insulted, how about you kill yourself? If you're dead, you can't see my posts.
Jesus, who let the /b/tards in here?
I don't go on 4chan. Have you considered following my advice?
No, I'll just block you. That way I can stay alive and still not see your posts. Later, /b/tard.
Tubesock, still waiting for that rebuttal.
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 11:25:40 PM
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Quote from: MeganovaStella on July 14, 2022, 10:16:24 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 10:01:27 AM
Quote from: MeganovaStella on July 14, 2022, 09:41:36 AM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 09:33:53 AM
What Fox has done with Zweihander is not significantly different from OSE, Swords & Wizardry or any number of retroclones out there.
Also, there are still plenty of places to get pirated stuff out there, and The Trove was never the best, nor the most comprehensive. Its download speed was shit.
Do you get paid for acting like a contrarian ass on this site's threads? I think you should be, you do a great job.
Nice ad hominem, next time you can just admit that you can't refute the argument. It'd be more honest.
If you don't want to get insulted, how about you kill yourself? If you're dead, you can't see my posts.
Jesus, who let the /b/tards in here?
I don't go on 4chan. Have you considered following my advice?
No, I'll just block you. That way I can stay alive and still not see your posts. Later, /b/tard.
You can block people on this site? What
Quote from: Reckall on July 12, 2022, 01:55:28 PM
Quote from: drayakir on July 12, 2022, 01:24:04 PM
Good. Fuck Daniel Fox. Do you think I should send him pirated copies of Zweihander?
That's the RPG about male German models, right?
(https://www.cheatsheet.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Ben-Stiller.jpg)
Quote from: Mistwell on July 15, 2022, 12:03:58 AM
Quote from: Reckall on July 12, 2022, 01:55:28 PM
Quote from: drayakir on July 12, 2022, 01:24:04 PM
Good. Fuck Daniel Fox. Do you think I should send him pirated copies of Zweihander?
That's the RPG about male German models, right?
(https://www.cheatsheet.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Ben-Stiller.jpg)
Ahhh, I thought this kind of models!
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Quote from: THE_Leopold on July 14, 2022, 09:49:05 AM
Quote from: MeganovaStella on July 14, 2022, 09:41:36 AM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 09:33:53 AM
What Fox has done with Zweihander is not significantly different from OSE, Swords & Wizardry or any number of retroclones out there.
Also, there are still plenty of places to get pirated stuff out there, and The Trove was never the best, nor the most comprehensive. Its download speed was shit.
Do you get paid for acting like a contrarian ass on this site's threads? I think you should be, you do a great job.
He's filling in for Battlemaster now that he was banned.
BM was banned? Where can I read that newsletter?
Quote from: Mistwell on July 15, 2022, 12:08:48 AM
Quote from: THE_Leopold on July 14, 2022, 09:49:05 AM
Quote from: MeganovaStella on July 14, 2022, 09:41:36 AM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 09:33:53 AM
What Fox has done with Zweihander is not significantly different from OSE, Swords & Wizardry or any number of retroclones out there.
Also, there are still plenty of places to get pirated stuff out there, and The Trove was never the best, nor the most comprehensive. Its download speed was shit.
Do you get paid for acting like a contrarian ass on this site's threads? I think you should be, you do a great job.
He's filling in for Battlemaster now that he was banned.
BM was banned? Where can I read that newsletter?
Both Battlemaster and Pat were banned because of off-topic political comments in the Steve Jackson Games thread. Here's the announcement:
https://www.therpgsite.com/pen-paper-roleplaying-games-rpgs-discussion/steve-jackson-games-goes-red-on-the-woke-meter/msg1222001/#msg1222001
Quote from: Reckall on July 13, 2022, 08:21:24 AM
Quote from: Shawn Driscoll on July 12, 2022, 08:18:00 PM
Whatever. The guy, Esther W @dungeonminister, is toxic.
The only ban reason I agree with TBP is "press conferencing".
My reading of this whole situation, is that this dude Esther W @dungeonminister (or whatever their name is), is trying to cynically get their own mentorship place (experiences of a XYZ when engaging with game designers or whatever) or just general publicity.
I bet he's fun at parties as well. Can you imagine a game run by him? Geez.
Quote from: Visitor Q on July 15, 2022, 03:04:26 AM
Quote from: Reckall on July 13, 2022, 08:21:24 AM
Quote from: Shawn Driscoll on July 12, 2022, 08:18:00 PM
Whatever. The guy, Esther W @dungeonminister, is toxic.
The only ban reason I agree with TBP is "press conferencing".
My reading of this whole situation, is that this dude Esther W @dungeonminister (or whatever their name is), is trying to cynically get their own mentorship place (experiences of a XYZ when engaging with game designers or whatever) or just general publicity.
I bet he's fun at parties as well. Can you imagine a game run by him? Geez.
Any game run by someone who is going to launch into listing their disabilities, medications they are on, preferred pronouns, and spiritual advice during their introduction would have to be a once in a lifetime experience, like gall bladder removal.
Quote from: drayakir on July 14, 2022, 11:36:15 PM
Tubesock, still waiting for that rebuttal.
Enjoy waiting. You're unwilling - or unable - to support your claims, so I see no reason to take you any more seriously than the /b/tard.
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 15, 2022, 08:21:20 AM
Quote from: drayakir on July 14, 2022, 11:36:15 PM
Tubesock, still waiting for that rebuttal.
Enjoy waiting. You're unwilling - or unable - to support your claims, so I see no reason to take you any more seriously than the /b/tard.
Please follow my advice
Quote from: oggsmash on July 15, 2022, 06:15:01 AM
Any game run by someone who is going to launch into listing their disabilities, medications they are on, preferred pronouns, and spiritual advice during their introduction would have to be a once in a lifetime experience, like gall bladder removal.
"I want to run a game of D&D."
"Okay."
"But I think before starting I need to list my disabilities, medications I'm on, preferred pronouns, and offer some spiritual advice."
"Okay, stop. Imagine you're out in public talking with real people."
"That's scary."
"I know, but this is what you call a 'safe space'. So just pretend."
"Okay, but if I start to hyperventilate...."
"Don't worry. See, at some point in your prepared introductions, everyone around you is either backing away or trying to offer you their pity."
"I thrive on pity!"
"Exactly. But the only people who'll give it to you want it back."
"Are those friends?"
"Depends. If your friends said something you disagreed with politically?"
"Is it a big thing or a little thing?"
"Well, be honest with me, does it really matter?"
"... I guess not."
"So, how do you handle disagreement?"
"I shun them and retreat to my safe space! And then try to tell everyone how 'we need to discuss' that person."
"Right, and we haven't even gotten to rolling dice for making characters yet."
At some point you realize it's less about playing the game for these people and more about getting attention.
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 15, 2022, 08:21:20 AM
Quote from: drayakir on July 14, 2022, 11:36:15 PM
Tubesock, still waiting for that rebuttal.
Enjoy waiting. You're unwilling - or unable - to support your claims, so I see no reason to take you any more seriously than the /b/tard.
I accept your concession.
Quote from: drayakir on July 15, 2022, 10:58:31 AM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 15, 2022, 08:21:20 AM
Quote from: drayakir on July 14, 2022, 11:36:15 PM
Tubesock, still waiting for that rebuttal.
Enjoy waiting. You're unwilling - or unable - to support your claims, so I see no reason to take you any more seriously than the /b/tard.
I accept your concession.
It's what he's best at. Conceding, and running a concession stand :)
Quote from: Habitual Gamer on July 15, 2022, 08:46:41 AM
Quote from: oggsmash on July 15, 2022, 06:15:01 AM
Any game run by someone who is going to launch into listing their disabilities, medications they are on, preferred pronouns, and spiritual advice during their introduction would have to be a once in a lifetime experience, like gall bladder removal.
"I want to run a game of D&D."
"Okay."
"But I think before starting I need to list my disabilities, medications I'm on, preferred pronouns, and offer some spiritual advice."
"Okay, stop. Imagine you're out in public talking with real people."
"That's scary."
"I know, but this is what you call a 'safe space'. So just pretend."
"Okay, but if I start to hyperventilate...."
"Don't worry. See, at some point in your prepared introductions, everyone around you is either backing away or trying to offer you their pity."
"I thrive on pity!"
"Exactly. But the only people who'll give it to you want it back."
"Are those friends?"
"Depends. If your friends said something you disagreed with politically?"
"Is it a big thing or a little thing?"
"Well, be honest with me, does it really matter?"
"... I guess not."
"So, how do you handle disagreement?"
"I shun them and retreat to my safe space! And then try to tell everyone how 'we need to discuss' that person."
"Right, and we haven't even gotten to rolling dice for making characters yet."
At some point you realize it's less about playing the game for these people and more about getting attention.
Lmao hard to believe this is real. What's strange about gaming in general is that it seems people who game are more inclined to have some sort real life struggles compared to average person who isn't into gaming. Like I game because of the story and entertainment, that's what I thought gaming was about. Ever since WoW came out I learned there's all sorts of reasons people game, and interacting with strangers on the internet is more often a negative experience than a memorable positive thing.
Quote from: drayakir on July 15, 2022, 10:58:31 AM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 15, 2022, 08:21:20 AM
Quote from: drayakir on July 14, 2022, 11:36:15 PM
Tubesock, still waiting for that rebuttal.
Enjoy waiting. You're unwilling - or unable - to support your claims, so I see no reason to take you any more seriously than the /b/tard.
I accept your concession.
Perhaps you should try accepting reality first.
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 15, 2022, 12:19:28 PM
Quote from: drayakir on July 15, 2022, 10:58:31 AM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 15, 2022, 08:21:20 AM
Quote from: drayakir on July 14, 2022, 11:36:15 PM
Tubesock, still waiting for that rebuttal.
Enjoy waiting. You're unwilling - or unable - to support your claims, so I see no reason to take you any more seriously than the /b/tard.
I accept your concession.
Perhaps you should try accepting reality first.
That you don't have an argument and when you get called out on it, you start making unreasonable demands and ignoring people/blocking them, then hooting about how other's can't handle reality? That's rich of you, considering you fellate Daniel Fox daily. Maybe try being objective or providing sources to your claims. Ta.
Quote from: drayakir on July 15, 2022, 12:31:13 PM
That you don't have an argument and when you get called out on it, you start making unreasonable demands and ignoring people/blocking them, then hooting about how other's can't handle reality? That's rich of you, considering you fellate Daniel Fox daily. Maybe try being objective or providing sources to your claims. Ta.
Did you happen to find your proof that Daniel Fox is a plagiarist, BTW, or you are too busy projecting? Because I do not have enough facts to express an opinion of Fox or even Tubesock Army, but I see you not "providing sources to your claims" (even worse: actively not wanting to) right here:
Quote from: drayakir on July 14, 2022, 07:57:53 PM
Oh no no no. It's on you to disprove me. You take the time to dig it up - I have better things to do than to read plagiarism committed by a hack.
I'll repeat what I already said: the burden of proof is on the accuser. Do you have proof that Fox is a plagiarist? Put up or shut up and stop patronising others - because you just lost the moral ground to do it.
Quote from: FelixGamingX1 on July 15, 2022, 12:10:27 PM
What's strange about gaming in general is that it seems people who game are more inclined to have some sort real life struggles compared to average person who isn't into gaming.
It actually makes a little bit of sense.
Say you're transgender (or transracial, or a furry, or a reincarnated elf or whatever). RPGs let you pretend you're the thing you feel like, as a kind of practice run (at least that's my theory). Now this isn't universal of course; just because I play an elf (or a squid, or a person of the opposite gender) doesn't mean I secretly think I'm that.
Or say you have poor social skills. RPGs teach teamwork, turn taking, time commitments, and other stuff. There's even a game specifically designed to help teach autistic kids these skills in an educational environment (Critical Core).
Plus, I've known gamers who lacked the physical capability for most other hobbies (can't walk, lack fine motor skills, etc.).
Then you get to the idea that the Venn diagram of these three issues (identity confusion, poor social skills, physical problems) has an oddly high amount of overlap (not totally overlapping, but still statistically significant*) and it becomes a "duh" moment as to why games might appeal to certain (overlapping) groups of people.
Of course, this is all just my theory.
(*I know there is a wide range of physical issues that tend to be more common among the autistic community (muscle weakness, dietary restrictions/deficiencies, sleep disorders, etc.). Transgenderism is also often cited as higher among the autistic population than among neurotypicals, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's eventually determined that a good chunk of that came from transgendered people who self-diagnosed as autistic, and autism is no more or less common among the transgender population than any other.)
Okay, Gayakweer, lemme show you how this works.
I'll make an accusation:
"Venger Satanis is a plagiarist."
Pretty bold claim, right? Indeed it is. Now, I'll back that up with evidence. Anyone who opens Google and searches the following phrase:
venger satanis plagiarism cult of cthulhu
...will see as the first result a blog post from 2007, in which passages from Venger's "Cult of Cthulhu" book, and Identical Wikipedia entries, are shown side-by-side. All of this info is independently verifiable, by going to Wikipedia's "changes" page for the article in question, and seeing for yourself. In addition, the author has kindly catalogued all of his interactions with Venger, including Venger's eventual admission that, yes, he did indeed take the info in question from the WIkipedia article, as accused.
(Note: I am not linking the blog directly, as it has Venger's real name. This isn't "doxxing", because Venger's name is well-known, and also listed on his Kickstarter profile, along with his location, so, none of this is "secret" or "doxxing", but I have chosen not to directly link it out of respect for Venger's apparent wishes that it not be repeated)
And, finally, I will add some screenshots of the info, even though I have already instructed others as to where they may find it.
(https://img.fae.ro/019023.png)
(https://img.fae.ro/05b816.png)
(https://img.fae.ro/224c75.png)
(https://img.fae.ro/876c6e.png)
(https://img.fae.ro/bb5af6.png)
And that, my slow-witted friend, is plagiarism, accusation and proof.
Enjoy being on my block list. Imagine, getting blocked by me, lmao.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on July 15, 2022, 11:43:42 AM
It's what he's best at. Conceding, and running a concession stand :)
Except, hard for me to believe, but Tubesock is actually correct in this instance.
What drayakir said about Daniel (As repugnant of a person as he is) amounts to Defamation. If Daniel were to take drayakir to court and sue him, it would be on drayakir's legal team to prove that Daniel plagiarized which others have said they have read Fox's material and it is not word for word plagiarized.
drayakir, not knowing how the law works doesn't understand its up to the accuser to prove what he is claiming is correct. According to people who have read it (which i do not think drayakir has) it is not plagiarized. When asked to back up his claims, drayakir cannot.
Quote from: Reckall on July 15, 2022, 12:59:56 PM
Quote from: drayakir on July 15, 2022, 12:31:13 PM
That you don't have an argument and when you get called out on it, you start making unreasonable demands and ignoring people/blocking them, then hooting about how other's can't handle reality? That's rich of you, considering you fellate Daniel Fox daily. Maybe try being objective or providing sources to your claims. Ta.
Did you happen to find your proof that Daniel Fox is a plagiarist, BTW, or you are too busy projecting? Because I do not have enough facts to express an opinion of Fox or even Tubesock Army, but I see you not "providing sources to your claims" (even worse: actively not wanting to) right here:
Quote from: drayakir on July 14, 2022, 07:57:53 PM
Oh no no no. It's on you to disprove me. You take the time to dig it up - I have better things to do than to read plagiarism committed by a hack.
I'll repeat what I already said: the burden of proof is on the accuser. Do you have proof that Fox is a plagiarist? Put up or shut up and stop patronising others - because you just lost the moral ground to do it.
Quote from: GhostNinja on July 15, 2022, 02:18:20 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on July 15, 2022, 11:43:42 AM
It's what he's best at. Conceding, and running a concession stand :)
Except, hard for me to believe, but Tubesock is actually correct in this instance.
What drayakir said about Daniel (As repugnant of a person as he is) amounts to Defamation. If Daniel were to take drayakir to court and sue him, it would be on drayakir's legal team to prove that Daniel plagiarized which others have said they have read Fox's material and it is not word for word plagiarized.
drayakir, not knowing how the law works doesn't understand its up to the accuser to prove what he is claiming is correct. According to people who have read it (which i do not think drayakir has) it is not plagiarized. When asked to back up his claims, drayakir cannot.
Moral ground? You need to take a step back and re-consider the words you're using. We're on an Internet forum moderated by a random Internet personality dedicated to a niche hobby, talking about a "literal who(re)" that is having problem with a vocal minority of culture warriors. It's important to have context about these things before talking about "moral high ground." I couldn't care less whether my words are admissible or valid in a court of law because I'm not trying to prove anything to a court of law, because I don't actually give a shit. Pic related.
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Quote from: FelixGamingX1 on July 15, 2022, 12:10:27 PM
Lmao hard to believe this is real. What's strange about gaming in general is that it seems people who game are more inclined to have some sort real life struggles compared to average person who isn't into gaming. Like I game because of the story and entertainment, that's what I thought gaming was about. Ever since WoW came out I learned there's all sorts of reasons people game, and interacting with strangers on the internet is more often a negative experience than a memorable positive thing.
As far as I know, any study on this question is quite old, but they were all fairly conclusive that on average gamers had slightly less issues than the general population. It was theorized that being able to "act" on issues in a pretend way can be a powerful means of releasing them. The most common of course, does killing a bunch of orcs in a dungeon let you blow off steam or teach you that violence solves problems? And the answer seems to be not very much of either, in most cases, but whatever mild effect it might have is more towards catharsis than escalation.
Now, I can see why it might not seem that way now. I would suggest that the reason why is confirmation bias exacerbated by the tendency of the social media to call even more attention to outliers, while encouraging them to get their freak out there to be seen. Most people fit pretty well in the normal bands, with a thing here or there that is not, and gamers aren't any more prone to wacky behavior than any other hobbyists or enthusiasts.
Quote from: drayakir on July 15, 2022, 02:45:30 PM
Moral ground? You need to take a step back and re-consider the words you're using.
Considering I just went back and reread what I said, I never used the word Moral. Not sure where you are getting this.
Quote from: drayakir on July 15, 2022, 02:45:30 PMWe're on an Internet forum moderated by a random Internet personality dedicated to a niche hobby, talking about a "literal who(re)" that is having problem with a vocal minority of culture warriors.
Yes, and I spoke about how repugnant Daniel Fox is. Regardless of that fact, in person or on the internet, defamation is still defamation and as repugnant as Daniel Fox is, your comments are actionable. Now, he most likely wouldn't because you probably have nothing worth suing for, and even if he won judgement you could just file for bankruptcy and it would be all for nothing. I am not talking about Daniel's character (which I have made clear I am aware of), I am talking about facts. Facts are important.
Quote from: drayakir on July 15, 2022, 02:45:30 PM
It's important to have context about these things before talking about "moral high ground." I couldn't care less whether my words are admissible or valid in a court of law because I'm not trying to prove anything to a court of law, because I don't actually give a shit. Pic related.
Again, you are littlerly making up the moral high ground part. Never used those words. I am talking about the law and facts. As far as Daniel Fox goes, I wouldn't pee on him if he was on fire.
Quote from: drayakir on July 15, 2022, 02:45:30 PMDaniel Fox is a pedophiliac plagiarist and he can choke on it for all I care.
Again, people have pointed out what you are saying is NOT true. You can hate him all you want (I do) but if you are going to have a conversation, present facts not feelings because when you say things that aren't true (like this) and people know it, they will start to ignore you.
Quote from: drayakir on July 15, 2022, 02:45:30 PM
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This sentence says more about you than it doesn't about Daniel Fox. Now I understand you could just be playing an "internet tough guy" saying things you would never say in person because there would be consequences, but being pissed of about Daniel Fox eats you up inside and does nothing to him as he doesn't know or care that you are pissed off at him. That's why I don't hold grudges, those people aren't worth my time. Forget them and don't even spend energy on them.
This is a thread alright.
Moral of the story here. SJWs eat their own. And, back up your claims.
Quote from: MeganovaStella on July 14, 2022, 10:16:24 PM
If you don't want to get insulted, how about you kill yourself? If you're dead, you can't see my posts.
You're like 13 years old... aren't you?
Quote from: drayakir on July 15, 2022, 02:45:30 PM
Moral ground? You need to take a step back and re-consider the words you're using. We're on an Internet forum moderated by a random Internet personality dedicated to a niche hobby, talking about a "literal who(re)" that is having problem with a vocal minority of culture warriors. It's important to have context about these things before talking about "moral high ground." I couldn't care less whether my words are admissible or valid in a court of law because I'm not trying to prove anything to a court of law, because I don't actually give a shit. Pic related.
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Drayakir, after some consideration I removed your last paragraph. There's a step too far in terms of personal attacks, even of human scum, that should not be made flippantly. I'd suggest you take a step back from this current argument, and do not repeat the claim you made there unless you are ready to file a police report about it.
Quote from: RPGPundit on July 15, 2022, 05:34:43 PM
Quote from: drayakir on July 15, 2022, 02:45:30 PM
Moral ground? You need to take a step back and re-consider the words you're using. We're on an Internet forum moderated by a random Internet personality dedicated to a niche hobby, talking about a "literal who(re)" that is having problem with a vocal minority of culture warriors. It's important to have context about these things before talking about "moral high ground." I couldn't care less whether my words are admissible or valid in a court of law because I'm not trying to prove anything to a court of law, because I don't actually give a shit. Pic related.
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Drayakir, after some consideration I removed your last paragraph. There's a step too far in terms of personal attacks, even of human scum, that should not be made flippantly. I'd suggest you take a step back from this current argument, and do not repeat the claim you made there unless you are ready to file a police report about it.
Okie dokie boss. I'm pretty much done here anyway since I've made my position on him quite clear.
Quote from: DocJones on July 15, 2022, 05:20:09 PM
Quote from: MeganovaStella on July 14, 2022, 10:16:24 PM
If you don't want to get insulted, how about you kill yourself? If you're dead, you can't see my posts.
You're like 13 years old... aren't you?
No.
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 15, 2022, 01:51:49 PM
Okay, Gayakweer, lemme show you how this works.
I'll make an accusation:
"Venger Satanis is a plagiarist."
Pretty bold claim, right? Indeed it is. Now, I'll back that up with evidence. Anyone who opens Google and searches the following phrase:
venger satanis plagiarism cult of cthulhu
...will see as the first result a blog post from 2007, in which passages from Venger's "Cult of Cthulhu" book, and Identical Wikipedia entries, are shown side-by-side. All of this info is independently verifiable, by going to Wikipedia's "changes" page for the article in question, and seeing for yourself. In addition, the author has kindly catalogued all of his interactions with Venger, including Venger's eventual admission that, yes, he did indeed take the info in question from the WIkipedia article, as accused.
(Note: I am not linking the blog directly, as it has Venger's real name. This isn't "doxxing", because Venger's name is well-known, and also listed on his Kickstarter profile, along with his location, so, none of this is "secret" or "doxxing", but I have chosen not to directly link it out of respect for Venger's apparent wishes that it not be repeated)
And, finally, I will add some screenshots of the info, even though I have already instructed others as to where they may find it.
(https://img.fae.ro/019023.png)
(https://img.fae.ro/05b816.png)
(https://img.fae.ro/224c75.png)
(https://img.fae.ro/876c6e.png)
(https://img.fae.ro/bb5af6.png)
And that, my slow-witted friend, is plagiarism, accusation and proof.
Enjoy being on my block list. Imagine, getting blocked by me, lmao.
I guess the nice thing about being an SJW type is you can pick and choose what slurs you toss around when it suits you.
Quote from: oggsmash on July 16, 2022, 07:00:32 AM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 15, 2022, 01:51:49 PM
Okay, Gayakweer, lemme show you how this works.
I'll make an accusation:
"Venger Satanis is a plagiarist."
Pretty bold claim, right? Indeed it is. Now, I'll back that up with evidence. Anyone who opens Google and searches the following phrase:
venger satanis plagiarism cult of cthulhu
...will see as the first result a blog post from 2007, in which passages from Venger's "Cult of Cthulhu" book, and Identical Wikipedia entries, are shown side-by-side. All of this info is independently verifiable, by going to Wikipedia's "changes" page for the article in question, and seeing for yourself. In addition, the author has kindly catalogued all of his interactions with Venger, including Venger's eventual admission that, yes, he did indeed take the info in question from the WIkipedia article, as accused.
(Note: I am not linking the blog directly, as it has Venger's real name. This isn't "doxxing", because Venger's name is well-known, and also listed on his Kickstarter profile, along with his location, so, none of this is "secret" or "doxxing", but I have chosen not to directly link it out of respect for Venger's apparent wishes that it not be repeated)
And, finally, I will add some screenshots of the info, even though I have already instructed others as to where they may find it.
(https://img.fae.ro/019023.png)
(https://img.fae.ro/05b816.png)
(https://img.fae.ro/224c75.png)
(https://img.fae.ro/876c6e.png)
(https://img.fae.ro/bb5af6.png)
And that, my slow-witted friend, is plagiarism, accusation and proof.
Enjoy being on my block list. Imagine, getting blocked by me, lmao.
I guess the nice thing about being an SJW type is you can pick and choose what slurs you toss around when it suits you.
Lighten up, Francis.
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 16, 2022, 08:55:03 AM
Quote from: oggsmash on July 16, 2022, 07:00:32 AM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 15, 2022, 01:51:49 PM
Okay, Gayakweer, lemme show you how this works.
I'll make an accusation:
"Venger Satanis is a plagiarist."
Pretty bold claim, right? Indeed it is. Now, I'll back that up with evidence. Anyone who opens Google and searches the following phrase:
venger satanis plagiarism cult of cthulhu
...will see as the first result a blog post from 2007, in which passages from Venger's "Cult of Cthulhu" book, and Identical Wikipedia entries, are shown side-by-side. All of this info is independently verifiable, by going to Wikipedia's "changes" page for the article in question, and seeing for yourself. In addition, the author has kindly catalogued all of his interactions with Venger, including Venger's eventual admission that, yes, he did indeed take the info in question from the WIkipedia article, as accused.
(Note: I am not linking the blog directly, as it has Venger's real name. This isn't "doxxing", because Venger's name is well-known, and also listed on his Kickstarter profile, along with his location, so, none of this is "secret" or "doxxing", but I have chosen not to directly link it out of respect for Venger's apparent wishes that it not be repeated)
And, finally, I will add some screenshots of the info, even though I have already instructed others as to where they may find it.
(https://img.fae.ro/019023.png)
(https://img.fae.ro/05b816.png)
(https://img.fae.ro/224c75.png)
(https://img.fae.ro/876c6e.png)
(https://img.fae.ro/bb5af6.png)
And that, my slow-witted friend, is plagiarism, accusation and proof.
Enjoy being on my block list. Imagine, getting blocked by me, lmao.
I guess the nice thing about being an SJW type is you can pick and choose what slurs you toss around when it suits you.
Lighten up, Francis.
The irony that rings out coming from a person like you is deafening. Never change.
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 16, 2022, 08:55:03 AM
Quote from: oggsmash on July 16, 2022, 07:00:32 AM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 15, 2022, 01:51:49 PM
Okay, Gayakweer, lemme show you how this works.
I'll make an accusation:
"Venger Satanis is a plagiarist."
Pretty bold claim, right? Indeed it is. Now, I'll back that up with evidence. Anyone who opens Google and searches the following phrase:
venger satanis plagiarism cult of cthulhu
...will see as the first result a blog post from 2007, in which passages from Venger's "Cult of Cthulhu" book, and Identical Wikipedia entries, are shown side-by-side. All of this info is independently verifiable, by going to Wikipedia's "changes" page for the article in question, and seeing for yourself. In addition, the author has kindly catalogued all of his interactions with Venger, including Venger's eventual admission that, yes, he did indeed take the info in question from the WIkipedia article, as accused.
(Note: I am not linking the blog directly, as it has Venger's real name. This isn't "doxxing", because Venger's name is well-known, and also listed on his Kickstarter profile, along with his location, so, none of this is "secret" or "doxxing", but I have chosen not to directly link it out of respect for Venger's apparent wishes that it not be repeated)
And, finally, I will add some screenshots of the info, even though I have already instructed others as to where they may find it.
(https://img.fae.ro/019023.png)
(https://img.fae.ro/05b816.png)
(https://img.fae.ro/224c75.png)
(https://img.fae.ro/876c6e.png)
(https://img.fae.ro/bb5af6.png)
And that, my slow-witted friend, is plagiarism, accusation and proof.
Enjoy being on my block list. Imagine, getting blocked by me, lmao.
I guess the nice thing about being an SJW type is you can pick and choose what slurs you toss around when it suits you.
Lighten up, Francis.
Please follow my advice
I must say this thread is incredible pearl of making people justly defending Danny Boy against even more insane defamators. Ah, well - Inimicus Vulpes sed magis amica veritas
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anyway.
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So woke, yet so sleepy. I mean why didn't they capitalize 'palestine', and what's with implying being Bi is dysfunctional?
Quote from: Steven Mitchell on July 13, 2022, 12:03:52 PM
In my less charitable moments, I'm a Kantian through and through: People ought to be treated as if the rules they imply by their actions were, in fact, the rules for them.
SJW's eating their own is about the only productive thing they do with their lives. We really shouldn't try to take that from them. :D
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Quote from: Habitual Gamer on July 15, 2022, 01:39:07 PM
Quote from: FelixGamingX1 on July 15, 2022, 12:10:27 PM
What's strange about gaming in general is that it seems people who game are more inclined to have some sort real life struggles compared to average person who isn't into gaming.
It actually makes a little bit of sense.
Say you're transgender (or transracial, or a furry, or a reincarnated elf or whatever). RPGs let you pretend you're the thing you feel like, as a kind of practice run (at least that's my theory). Now this isn't universal of course; just because I play an elf (or a squid, or a person of the opposite gender) doesn't mean I secretly think I'm that.
Or say you have poor social skills. RPGs teach teamwork, turn taking, time commitments, and other stuff. There's even a game specifically designed to help teach autistic kids these skills in an educational environment (Critical Core).
Plus, I've known gamers who lacked the physical capability for most other hobbies (can't walk, lack fine motor skills, etc.).
Then you get to the idea that the Venn diagram of these three issues (identity confusion, poor social skills, physical problems) has an oddly high amount of overlap (not totally overlapping, but still statistically significant*) and it becomes a "duh" moment as to why games might appeal to certain (overlapping) groups of people.
Makes a whole lot of sense really. I love RPGs, but I'm not going to deny the hobby attracts a certain sort.
Quote from: Habitual Gamer on July 15, 2022, 01:39:07 PM
(*I know there is a wide range of physical issues that tend to be more common among the autistic community (muscle weakness, dietary restrictions/deficiencies, sleep disorders, etc.). Transgenderism is also often cited as higher among the autistic population than among neurotypicals, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's eventually determined that a good chunk of that came from transgendered people who self-diagnosed as autistic, and autism is no more or less common among the transgender population than any other.)
Actually there's growing evidence that autism is overdiagnosed, and I suspect many autistics are
misdiagnosed as transgender because of their social proclivities.
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 15, 2022, 01:51:49 PM
Okay, Gayakweer, lemme show you how this works.
I'll make an accusation:
"Venger Satanis is a plagiarist."
Pretty bold claim, right? Indeed it is. Now, I'll back that up with evidence. Anyone who opens Google and searches the following phrase:
venger satanis plagiarism cult of cthulhu
...will see as the first result a blog post from 2007, in which passages from Venger's "Cult of Cthulhu" book, and Identical Wikipedia entries, are shown side-by-side. All of this info is independently verifiable, by going to Wikipedia's "changes" page for the article in question, and seeing for yourself. In addition, the author has kindly catalogued all of his interactions with Venger, including Venger's eventual admission that, yes, he did indeed take the info in question from the WIkipedia article, as accused.
Well
that isn't a good look.
Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 15, 2022, 01:51:49 PM
(Note: I am not linking the blog directly, as it has Venger's real name. This isn't "doxxing", because Venger's name is well-known, and also listed on his Kickstarter profile, along with his location, so, none of this is "secret" or "doxxing", but I have chosen not to directly link it out of respect for Venger's apparent wishes that it not be repeated)
Wait, was
that the privacy violation drayakir was dinged for?!?
Heh, someone #Deadnamed Venger.
Quote from: GhostNinja on July 15, 2022, 02:18:20 PM
What drayakir said about Daniel (As repugnant of a person as he is) amounts to Defamation. If Daniel were to take drayakir to court and sue him, it would be on drayakir's legal team to prove that Daniel plagiarized which others have said they have read Fox's material and it is not word for word plagiarized.
Even without a lawsuit it's a legitimate foundation to claim that any further accusations are likewise defamatory and without merit.
Since the thread has moved on from the OP...
Quote from: Anon Adderlan on July 21, 2022, 01:20:16 PM
Actually there's growing evidence that autism is overdiagnosed,
I wouldn't be surprised, especially as Asperger's and ADD are now considered forms of autism. Then you get into how autism is diagnosed ("you have these lists of traits, and need a condition from each list" sounds like a bunch of different disorders lumped together to me).
Quote from: Anon Adderlan on July 21, 2022, 01:20:16 PM
and I suspect many autistics are misdiagnosed as transgender because of their social proclivities.
I respect it's just a hypothesis, but I'd be curious as to hear more of it. (PM if you want) Personally, from what I've seen, I'd go the other route and suspect people who are LGBTQ+ are more likely to mis/self-diagnose at autistic (because generalized anxiety disorder is seen as a person's fault, whereas autistic is just another thing you are like your hair color. EDIT: and you can more easily change that sort of stuff in their minds).