So #daggerheart may be the worst major design of the year, because no one knows what it was for.
#ttrpg #osr #dnd

The part that makes me convinced that it won't go anywhere is when you pointed out that it's trying to jam together three things that don't make sense- together- D&D, story game stuff, and critical role themed things. Why the obsession with their own stuff anyway?  Why not use an existing story game framework, or whatever?  These guys seemed to start with Pathfinder, quickly switched to 5e, and now have Candela Obscura (which is, in my understanding, a roleplaying game with a d6 story system at its core), and are making... another story game?

Is there a big market for this?  I know Critical Role is popular, but they only ever were in my vision because they made shows where they are kinda sorta mostly playing D&D. Are they just going to crank out some totally new system every couple years from now until forever?

After watching two Pundit videos on Daggerheart in about as many days, my youtube feed is filled with people making soy faces and googley eyes over the frog race in the game.  I blame the algorithm and Pundit equally.

Well what it is for is to cash in on wotc's fuck ups.

Guess they think the CR fans will buy it all up. And they might not be wrong either.

Still giddy over the fact you now share the same views on incoherent game design as Ron Edwards.

It's to make money by selling the game and, more importantly, accessories like special tokens and cards to Critical Role viewers.  I wonder how many of them won't notice any rules issues because they never actually play the game at all.

Of course they know what it's for, it's a game designed to be pretended to play, and for consumers to pretend to like. It's a story game with freeflow impov as a central mechanic, so that when the actors engage in freeflow improv it's less obvious that they're doing anything but playing an actual game.

It's like quidditch in that way, a non-game designed to push forward a story, which fans of that story pretend to like not because it's a good game, or even that they like the game, but because they're fans of the story it's embedded in.

Quote from: yosemitemike on March 21, 2024, 03:08:11 AM
It's to make money by selling the game and, more importantly, accessories like special tokens and cards to Critical Role viewers.  I wonder how many of them won't notice any rules issues because they never actually play the game at all.

Exactly. It's designed to be a money sink for the CR fandom. They will buy anything with the CR branding on it, so might as well milk them for all they are worth. Its not surprise the game has also all those boardgamey elements, since boardgames have made a comeback with the normie crowd.

Not hating on great boardgames, just pointing out that even young (20-something) normie women that live in social media and do not enjoy any kind of "geeky media" would agree to a night of playing boardgames like Catan and even ask for "boardgame night". So, adding boardgame elements to their game makes it more appealing to the normie crowd and also provides an avenue for products to sell to the CR fanbase.

I think it's plain and simple hubris of Critical Role.

They can't stand the fact that a bunch of white guys created D&D so they have to deconstruct it to their own likeness. And what a surprise. Their likeness is a jumbled confusing hot mess.

Quote from: yosemitemike on March 21, 2024, 03:08:11 AM
It's to make money by selling the game and, more importantly, accessories like special tokens and cards to Critical Role viewers.  I wonder how many of them won't notice any rules issues because they never actually play the game at all.

Even if they do end up trying, I wouldn't be surprised if a popular houserule or even the published edition's rule 0 will be to blame the patriarchy on a roll of anything but a nat 1.

Quote from: Silverblade on March 21, 2024, 01:28:39 PM
I think it's plain and simple hubris of Critical Role.

They can't stand the fact that a bunch of white guys created D&D so they have to deconstruct it to their own likeness. And what a surprise. Their likeness is a jumbled confusing hot mess.

The only way to fix this is for Matt to add a babushka to his granny shawl as well as tiktok style painted talons in his next video.

I keep seeing the term "storygame" thrown around. Let me see if I am following this correctly.

Matt Mercer is a pretentious knob who hired some hack game designer to make a D&D flavored, G-rated version of Thirsty Sword Lesbians to shill Critical Role without having to pay WotC their blood tithe.

How close did I get?

Quote from: Corolinth on March 21, 2024, 02:58:20 PM
I keep seeing the term "storygame" thrown around. Let me see if I am following this correctly.

Matt Mercer is a pretentious knob who hired some hack game designer to make a D&D flavored, G-rated version of Thirsty Sword Lesbians to shill Critical Role without having to pay WotC their blood tithe.

How close did I get?

Greetings!

*BOOM*. Powerful, Corolinth. Absolute laser targeting. Everything you said is exactly what this stupid game is all about.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

My problem with the video is Pundit badmouths FATAL, which is imminently playable, and you know exactly why you are playing it.

While I agree with Pundit on the topic I need to ask if he is bored or just in the mood to insert clickbait on the forum.

We already have on thread on the topic but no here is more just with a different title.

What the next topic " Matt Mercer refuses to eat junk food must be an Foodie oh my".

Damn Pundit your getting more stale then an open beer left open in an hot sun for a week. Worse an broken record.