d6, RPG Site: Should We Go For It?

Levi Kornelsen · July 25, 2008, 03:22:21 PM

Quote from: Spinachcat;228124That is crazy money.

I'm confident that $2,500 could be raised via fundable, and fairly swiftly to boot. I suspect that donations would likely range from $10 (casually awesome people) to $200 (hardcore wanna-do-this people).

Beyond that mark, I get steadily less certain.

KenHR · July 25, 2008, 03:34:24 PM

I've already got the C-note I intend to donate set aside on my budget.

HinterWelt · July 25, 2008, 03:37:35 PM

Quote from: Spinachcat;228124That is crazy money. All of WEG's properties are not worth 5k in the current RPG market. They are DEAD properties. It does not matter how much popular WEG may have been in the 80s or 90s. The only consideration that matters is today's market.

I fully agree that D6 is an excellent generic engine - especially for cinematic play and especially for noobs, but while the RPG hobby is doing okay, the RPG industry is a shitastic mess.

$1000 for full personal control makes sense to me because I agree that paired with two different good settings, you could see your money back in two years. $200 to be part of a publishing collective where you get all the benefits of the collective and the D6 property makes sense to me. But to just throw something into the public domain as a charity for old time's sake is NOT worth three lobster dinners.

And we are talking about lobsters drowned in butter and garlic sauce!!

A big part of this will be dependant on:
1. How much Eric thinks it is worth.
2. How much other bidders are offering
3. If people view this as charity as opposed to a business venture. (Hint: It would be a charity).

From above, 1 is the key factor. If Eric think the rights to d6 are worth 5K and that is it...well, honestly, I hope he can pay his rent with d6s cause I do not think anyone would pay 5k for just d6.

Any way, it will be interesting to see how he responds to Levi and Zach.

Bill
Bill

Levi Kornelsen · July 25, 2008, 04:06:14 PM

Quote from: HinterWelt;228136(Hint: It would be a charity).

Yep. Though, notably, one from which a number of (individually quite small) business activities might spring.

RPGPundit · July 25, 2008, 04:07:04 PM

Someone please send me a PM if anything ever comes of this plan; I don't want to keep having to check here to see whats up, especially since it seems like thus far we're 20 pages in and "fuck all" is what's up aside from a lot of talk.

If a group from this site get the D6 license, in whatever capacity, and want to have a forum dedicated to it, get in touch with me.

RPGPundit

Mcrow · July 25, 2008, 04:12:24 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit;228144Someone please send me a PM if anything ever comes of this plan; I don't want to keep having to check here to see whats up, especially since it seems like thus far we're 20 pages in and "fuck all" is what's up aside from a lot of talk.

If a group from this site get the D6 license, in whatever capacity, and want to have a forum dedicated to it, get in touch with me.

RPGPundit

It's going to be a week or more before we get any response from Eric since he's out of town. Several people have contacted him about his various lines.

In short, that's why "fuck all" is where we're at.

Spinachcat · July 25, 2008, 04:51:22 PM

Quote from: Levi Kornelsen;228131I'm confident that $2,500 could be raised via fundable, and fairly swiftly to boot.

I am uncertain of that number. There is that big moment of truth when you have the mouse poised over the PAY button.

Years ago, I was involved in fundraising for disabled kids and getting millionaires to follow through on public pledges they made (and got cheers for) was a nightmare. Somehow 30% of them could never return our calls.

BTW, this has been an interesting 20 pages of fuck all. Levi's public domain idea should be implemented for other dead IP as well.

HinterWelt · July 25, 2008, 05:30:19 PM

Quote from: Levi Kornelsen;228142Yep. Though, notably, one from which a number of (individually quite small) business activities might spring.

Agreed but I am saying people really need to understand this is not a business venture. If it is, you need to tell me because what I have gotten out of it is you put some money up so that Eric will be able to release d6 to the PD and thus avoid having to take a bid from a company looking to close the system. If you don't believe in that idea, and expect to get money back well, I think you will have some unhappy people.

Bill

Levi Kornelsen · July 25, 2008, 05:37:16 PM

Quote from: HinterWelt;228164Agreed but I am saying people really need to understand this is not a business venture.

Yeah. People primarily hitting the button "for business reasons" would need to stop and think about that one.

People going "Hey, cool, I could make what I want! Oh, and maybe I'll make five bucks! But more importantly, I can make what I want!!!" are in pretty solid territory.

(For myself, if I was looking for the money, I'd have spent this time talking up my other stuff; it stands a much more solid chance of returns - my own stuff stands to make me tens and tens of dollars, I tell you.)

Mcrow · July 25, 2008, 05:43:46 PM

Quote from: Levi Kornelsen;228166Yeah. People primarily hitting the button "for business reasons" would need to stop and think about that one.

People going "Hey, cool, I could make what I want! Oh, and maybe I'll make five bucks! But more importantly, I can make what I want!!!" are in pretty solid territory.

(For myself, if I was looking for the money, I'd have spent this time talking up my other stuff; it stands a much more solid chance of returns - my own stuff stands to make me tens and tens of dollars, I tell you.)

It should be clear that the primary goal is to make the system availible to tinkerers and publishers alike. Do with it what you like. Go ahead and try to make tens and tens of dollars, if you can.

HinterWelt · July 25, 2008, 05:51:27 PM

Quote from: Levi Kornelsen;228166Yeah. People primarily hitting the button "for business reasons" would need to stop and think about that one.

People going "Hey, cool, I could make what I want! Oh, and maybe I'll make five bucks! But more importantly, I can make what I want!!!" are in pretty solid territory.

(For myself, if I was looking for the money, I'd have spent this time talking up my other stuff; it stands a much more solid chance of returns - my own stuff stands to make me tens and tens of dollars, I tell you.)

Mostly I am talking about people saying "Well, I just wont invest in anything that does not give a good return". I think the very language there shows a misconception of where this effort is going. No one is going to make their money back on this "investment". They might make money after everything is done and they can put out d6 material but that is unrelated to this effort.

Of course, that is just my take on it.

Bill

Levi Kornelsen · July 25, 2008, 06:52:31 PM

Quote from: Spinachcat;228156I am uncertain of that number. There is that big moment of truth when you have the mouse poised over the PAY button.

If I believed that every statement of "I'm in!" would translate to serious money (serious, in this tone, meaning something like fifteen bucks)...?

I'd be "confident" around the $3,500 mark.

But I don't believe that they would all really make that translation. A bit over half, sure, as a rough eyeball from my days working charity pledges. Maybe I'm too much of an optimist.

Sigmund · July 25, 2008, 07:11:51 PM

I haven't been following this thread completely, just glancing at it periodically, so if this has been mentioned or suggested before then forgive me, but my opinion is that now would be a good time to take an accounting of how many folks might be willing to "invest" (read donate) whatever amount in freeing up D6 for some kind of public domain type application. Perhaps a thread solely dedicated to getting a "headcount" of folks and what they might be willing to throw in the pot. That way a reasonable estimate of the amount available might be waiting for Eric after the week off. Just a suggestion.

Age of Fable · July 25, 2008, 07:25:10 PM

Put me down for up to US$50.

Levi Kornelsen · July 25, 2008, 07:28:54 PM

Quote from: Sigmund;228189I haven't been following this thread completely, just glancing at it periodically, so if this has been mentioned or suggested before then forgive me, but my opinion is that now would be a good time to take an accounting of how many folks might be willing to "invest" (read donate) whatever amount in freeing up D6 for some kind of public domain type application. Perhaps a thread solely dedicated to getting a "headcount" of folks and what they might be willing to throw in the pot. That way a reasonable estimate of the amount available might be waiting for Eric after the week off. Just a suggestion.

That would be tricky to compile fully - I've been talking with people on a number of forums, and over a few media.

For myself? I'd start with ten. Then come back in a while, and if it's moving along, drop another ten. And so on. I wouldn't likely go higher than, say, thirty or forty, though.