Quote from: TristramEvans;833355Ignorance : not knowing something.
Wallowing in ignorance: taking false pride in not knowing something
You: "I don't know and don't want to know".
You: reality's bitch.

Ironically enough it sounds like you when refusing to know what GamerGate actually is actually about or what Feminism even is.  

Quote from: Autumnborn;833448Bloodlore is one of those eats, breathes,and shits WoD information fanatics, and doesn't know about much about anything else as you can tell with his hilariously racist "the Japanese are trying to be white' bit..

One way to completely miss the point here since racism doesn't exist in a vacuum you know.

Quote from: Cryptofblood;833537Ironically enough it sounds like you when refusing to know what GamerGate actually is actually about or what Feminism even is.  

No it doesn't, you're just lying to cover your ass. I havent even posted one word about Gamergate or feminism in this thread, obviously.

And apparently another person whose definition of "ironic" came from an Alannis Morisette song.

Quote from: Cryptofblood;833537One way to completely miss the point here since racism doesn't exist in a vacuum you know.

No segregation among dust particles

Quote from: TristramEvans;833544No it doesn't, you're just lying to cover your ass. I havent even posted one word about Gamergate or feminism in this thread, obviously.

And apparently another person whose definition of "ironic" came from an Alannis Morisette song.

The irony is that his comment fits on himself, and he do not seem to realize it.

And the Alannis Morisette song do pinpoint what irony is, and it is ironic that people keep saying that it doesn't.
And if i'm wrong about that or not, please do not add that to the off-topics that plagues this thread, Ok?

I'll try to bring it back on track a bit.

Quote from: Cryptofblood;833537Ironically enough it sounds like you when refusing to know what GamerGate actually is actually about or what Feminism even is.  

The irony is sadly that that comment fit yourself perfectly.

But on Topic:
So you don't like KotE.
Fine.
Use Changeling, let them use Blood to power their Arts, and skip the Realms part.
Or, use Ghouls that has made their blood potent through rituals.
Or why not both?

Quote from: Cryptofblood;833537One way to completely miss the point here since racism doesn't exist in a vacuum you know.

That statement sure does though.

(belated) Welcome, Millenium! All the new people are congregating here like a welcoming party, this is wonderful! Please feel free to contribute more.

Quote from: Catelf;833547And if i'm wrong about that or not, please do not add that to the off-topics that plagues this thread, Ok?

I'll try to bring it back on track a bit.

You are posting in a troll thread (I didnt even grab a meme for that one).

Has the OP responded to one on-topic suggestion?

Just incase why you're wondering why I haven't played a WoD game is because I personally don't know anyone who plays those games face to face (since it's a group game) and plus it's also extremely difficult if not impossible to find a online game that fits my tastes so I'm pretty much stuck with the video games which I rarely play anymore. So I'm out of luck basically.

Quote from: Catelf;833548Use Changeling, let them use Blood to power their Arts, and skip the Realms part.
Or, use Ghouls that has made their blood potent through rituals.
Or why not both?

Problem is I don't like Changeling and plus due to the rigidity of the kiths, I don't think there is a single one that mimics Vampires that well also due to the fact you can't customize your own character like you can do in DA: Fae.

As for Ghouls, you're just a slave towards a another Vampire which is something I don't want.

If this thread keeps up I am going to make a thread on how both world of darkness games suck.  Well mainly nWoD, but you still get the picture.

Quote from: Snowman0147;833689If this thread keeps up I am going to make a thread on how both world of darkness games suck.  Well mainly nWoD, but you still get the picture.

I find nWoD quite tolerable, certainly better than the overmighty metaplot of oWoD. System is vastly superior to the clusterfuck that was old Storyteller, too.

Quote from: Kiero;833690I find nWoD quite tolerable, certainly better than the overmighty metaplot of oWoD. System is vastly superior to the clusterfuck that was old Storyteller, too.

I speak about nWoD mainly do to the fact I have far more experience on that WoD than I do with cWoD.  This is also not so much a system complaint as it is a setting and player base complaint.

Quote from: Cryptofblood;833681Just incase why you're wondering why I haven't played a WoD game is because I personally don't know anyone who plays those games face to face (since it's a group game) and plus it's also extremely difficult if not impossible to find a online game that fits my tastes so I'm pretty much stuck with the video games which I rarely play anymore. So I'm out of luck basically.

I had that problem for years, and after years of playing, I have had that problem for years now again.

Quote from: Cryptofblood;833681Problem is I don't like Changeling and plus due to the rigidity of the kiths, I don't think there is a single one that mimics Vampires that well also due to the fact you can't customize your own character like you can do in DA: Fae.

As for Ghouls, you're just a slave towards a another Vampire which is something I don't want.

You are looking at the games as if they are only what is said in the rulebook.
However, what I am suggesting can essentially be described as "modding".
It may seem like a lawlessness, but it essentially means that one keeps what is necessary, like the main system, while removing or replacing or even changing the parts that doesn't fit.

In the case of using Changelings, skip the dreaming part, they are locked in reality now. Sure, according to the rules in changeling, it would cause them Banality enough to become mindless drones, but as the world has changed, so did them.
(Source: my own imagination + logical thinking)
They are no longer affected by Banality, but they no longer has access to Glamour, so they need Blood instead.

As for rigidity of the Kith, as they are (seemingly) cut off from the Dreaming, Pooka may tell the truth outright, Sluagh may scream, and Redcaps may act as pleasant beings.
Not to mention that the Vampiric Diciplines is available to all(treat all as Caitiff when it comes to buying Diciplines, and the Arts cost the same, essentially).

On Ghouls, they are now without Masters, and those that isn't dad from old age already might have searched for new ways to prolong their lives, leading to some finding rituals to make their own blood potent, thereby becoming vampires themselves.

Again, these are modification suggestions, for the kind of setting you described.

Quote from: Kiero;833690I find nWoD quite tolerable, certainly better than the overmighty metaplot of oWoD. System is vastly superior to the clusterfuck that was old Storyteller, too.

Why not simply throw out the Metaplot, streamline the rules (no virtue values in Vampire, and treat Gnosis, Glamour and Quintessence as the same thing, for instance)?

Quote from: Catelf;833706Why not simply throw out the Metaplot, streamline the rules (no virtue values in Vampire, and treat Gnosis, Glamour and Quintessence as the same thing, for instance)?

You can't "streamline" Storyteller to fix it, the only place it belongs is in the bin. That's why Ex3 will be shit, they tried to polish the turd instead of flushing it and starting again.

If you throw out the Metaplot and the rules, what's left? Some paper thin stereotype-splats that are showing their age?