Quote from: Orphan81 on March 01, 2024, 08:09:48 AM
This topic started out interesting with a talk on how to handle controversial elements in settings and what kind of feel one goes for in their worlds compared to what the blue haired woke brigade do..

Then took a weird far turn towards trying to imply women were in constant danger of always being raped and enslaved in the medieval era (they weren't) and therefore they could never ever live or travel alone (they could).

To then saying every single Medieval Town and Village had walls (they didn't)... as a strange way of trying to give a justification for how the clearly proven woman living alone, were able to live alone (anyone could live alone, yes there was danger but the Medieval period had stable safe areas).

To now arguing about what or how people would prepare for Monsters and whether or not we could kill Dragons if they existed (Depends on the Dragon).

Thank you!

Yes, I thought it was an interesting topic and could even be stretched into the what the Christian Karen brigade (although they aren't relevant right now, they once were) dictates as good.

Greetings!

I think that having Current Year Seattle as a baseline setting-theme for a campaign is terrible. That is essentially WOTC's current version of Forgotten Realms. The current interpretation of Forgotten Realms, essentially being Current Year Seattle in theme and culture, is far removed from the original Grey Box Forgotten Realms.

Beyond that, I think campaigns should strive for greater realism, but also authenticity, and being inspired by real history, legend, and mythology, to blend together and serve as a distinct and different vision and experience from modern, urbanized civilization and culture.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: SHARK on March 01, 2024, 11:37:03 AM
Beyond that, I think campaigns should strive for greater realism, but also authenticity, and being inspired by real history, legend, and mythology, to blend together and serve as a distinct and different vision and experience from modern, urbanized civilization and culture.

I enjoy more authentically medieval fantasy like HarnMaster and Ars Magica, but I think there's also a place for less authentic. My current game is deliberately more modern high fantasy - taking after Arthurian romances and Tolkien.

Fantasy and sci-fi always reflect the culture they're created in, more than the time period they're set in. For example, the movie Conan of the 1980s is different than the written Conan of the 1930s. They're both cool, but neither of them are authentic or realistic. They're pulp and cinematic, respectively.

At DunDraCon two weeks ago, I played in a fantasy game with 1980s Neverending Story style. It's easy to see 1970s camp and 1980s glam in a lot of old D&D material, for example. And there's nothing wrong with that. I think there should be more retro fantasy the way there is retro sci-fi as a genre.

I lived near Seattle from 2009-2015, and unless things have REALLY changed in the last decade, I have to doubt that many here have ever been to the city. If I go there expecting it to be like the most recent Forgotten Realms, I'm fairly sure it's not going to even be close.

Quote from: HappyDaze on March 01, 2024, 02:05:12 PM
I lived near Seattle from 2009-2015, and unless things have REALLY changed in the last decade, I have to doubt that many here have ever been to the city. If I go there expecting it to be like the most recent Forgotten Realms, I'm fairly sure it's not going to even be close.

If you left in 2015 then you missed the part where, in the last decade, but particularly starting in 2017, the Left went collectively insane, stopped nudging and started shoving their insane ideologies onto things. You missed the CHAZ/CHAD insurrection (a genuine one), the defund the police, militant trans-activists, and calling everyone white and/or male a purveyor of "white supremacy."

Basically every bit of woke nuttery is promoted there with the expected results unless you're among those privileged enough to live in gated communities or well outside the city. Then you just ignore the hellscape that's been created and keep putting together racially* and sexually** inclusive gaming supplements no one buys and then whine on the internet because they fired you.

* unless you're white.
** unless you're male and/or straight.

Quote from: Chris24601 on March 01, 2024, 04:43:51 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on March 01, 2024, 02:05:12 PM
I lived near Seattle from 2009-2015, and unless things have REALLY changed in the last decade, I have to doubt that many here have ever been to the city. If I go there expecting it to be like the most recent Forgotten Realms, I'm fairly sure it's not going to even be close.

If you left in 2015 then you missed the part where, in the last decade, but particularly starting in 2017, the Left went collectively insane, stopped nudging and started shoving their insane ideologies onto things. You missed the CHAZ/CHAD insurrection (a genuine one), the defund the police, militant trans-activists, and calling everyone white and/or male a purveyor of "white supremacy."

Basically every bit of woke nuttery is promoted there with the expected results unless you're among those privileged enough to live in gated communities or well outside the city. Then you just ignore the hellscape that's been created and keep putting together racially* and sexually** inclusive gaming supplements no one buys and then whine on the internet because they fired you.

* unless you're white.
** unless you're male and/or straight.

He's purposefully missunderstanding the meaning of the phrase "current year Seattle" and wants to pretend that it's really about Seattle, and that if not all and he didn't see it then it's not true.

[small tangent] I once applied for a game dev job in Seattle.  In hindsight, I'm glad it fell through.  The culture collision would have been a mess.  The roads also were a nightmare.  But, I did like the temperate rainforest part.

Quote from: Chris24601 on March 01, 2024, 04:43:51 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on March 01, 2024, 02:05:12 PM
I lived near Seattle from 2009-2015, and unless things have REALLY changed in the last decade, I have to doubt that many here have ever been to the city. If I go there expecting it to be like the most recent Forgotten Realms, I'm fairly sure it's not going to even be close.

If you left in 2015 then you missed the part where, in the last decade, but particularly starting in 2017, the Left went collectively insane, stopped nudging and started shoving their insane ideologies onto things. You missed the CHAZ/CHAD insurrection (a genuine one), the defund the police, militant trans-activists, and calling everyone white and/or male a purveyor of "white supremacy."

Basically every bit of woke nuttery is promoted there with the expected results unless you're among those privileged enough to live in gated communities or well outside the city. Then you just ignore the hellscape that's been created and keep putting together racially* and sexually** inclusive gaming supplements no one buys and then whine on the internet because they fired you.

* unless you're white.
** unless you're male and/or straight.

I live north of Seattle, in Lynnwood, and can confirm. The place went from "quirky leftist hangout" to "DON'T LET THAT HOMELESS PERSON STAB YOU!".
I used to bus into Seattle for X-Wing Miniatures events, but stopped because the homeless people in Seattle are fucking scary and have colonized the public transportation system as their territory.
If anything, Seattle is a great setting for a dystopian near future collapse RPG.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 01, 2024, 06:52:31 PM
If anything, Seattle is a great setting for a dystopian near future collapse RPG.

Yes, but to truly make it playable you need sympathetic playable characters. So you'd have to be playing some type of outsider to the city (perhaps stranded due to connecting flight issues when everything goes sideways). The natives are the threats to your survival and the goal is survive long enough to be able to escape.

Quote from: Chris24601 on March 01, 2024, 09:57:57 PM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 01, 2024, 06:52:31 PM
If anything, Seattle is a great setting for a dystopian near future collapse RPG.

Yes, but to truly make it playable you need sympathetic playable characters. So you'd have to be playing some type of outsider to the city (perhaps stranded due to connecting flight issues when everything goes sideways). The natives are the threats to your survival and the goal is survive long enough to be able to escape.

Escape from Seattle 2050

With hordes of locals trying to fuck you or fuck you up and sometimes both.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 01, 2024, 10:02:38 PMEscape from Seattle 2050

With hordes of locals trying to fuck you or fuck you up and sometimes both.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 01, 2024, 10:02:38 PM

Quote from: Chris24601 on March 01, 2024, 09:57:57 PM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 01, 2024, 06:52:31 PM
If anything, Seattle is a great setting for a dystopian near future collapse RPG.

Yes, but to truly make it playable you need sympathetic playable characters. So you'd have to be playing some type of outsider to the city (perhaps stranded due to connecting flight issues when everything goes sideways). The natives are the threats to your survival and the goal is survive long enough to be able to escape.

Escape from Seattle 2050

With hordes of locals trying to fuck you or fuck you up and sometimes both.

The year is too late. 2050? My money is on it actually happening for real in 2025.

This is just one of those things where I think we're creating a situation that need not exist. I never really ran into these kinds of situations playing any game. I think a big problem is that in recent years these kinds of hostilities have been wildly exaggerated and encouraged by people who WANT groups at each other's throats because they see it as a path to power.

Take all the claims of hostility towards female players that had to be endured for so long unaddressed...  Never saw it back in the day (late 70's through the 80's). So few women played it was a score when you found one for your group and everyone seemed to go out of there way to make them feel at home. I'm sure there were assholes out there but this big, purvasive problem?  Never saw it--think it's made up by people with an agenda.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 01, 2024, 06:52:31 PM

Quote from: Chris24601 on March 01, 2024, 04:43:51 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on March 01, 2024, 02:05:12 PM
I lived near Seattle from 2009-2015, and unless things have REALLY changed in the last decade, I have to doubt that many here have ever been to the city. If I go there expecting it to be like the most recent Forgotten Realms, I'm fairly sure it's not going to even be close.

If you left in 2015 then you missed the part where, in the last decade, but particularly starting in 2017, the Left went collectively insane, stopped nudging and started shoving their insane ideologies onto things. You missed the CHAZ/CHAD insurrection (a genuine one), the defund the police, militant trans-activists, and calling everyone white and/or male a purveyor of "white supremacy."

Basically every bit of woke nuttery is promoted there with the expected results unless you're among those privileged enough to live in gated communities or well outside the city. Then you just ignore the hellscape that's been created and keep putting together racially* and sexually** inclusive gaming supplements no one buys and then whine on the internet because they fired you.

* unless you're white.
** unless you're male and/or straight.

I live north of Seattle, in Lynnwood, and can confirm. The place went from "quirky leftist hangout" to "DON'T LET THAT HOMELESS PERSON STAB YOU!".
I used to bus into Seattle for X-Wing Miniatures events, but stopped because the homeless people in Seattle are fucking scary and have colonized the public transportation system as their territory.
If anything, Seattle is a great setting for a dystopian near future collapse RPG.

Damn that's sad to hear. I visited Seattle in 2008. Considered moving there, but glad I didn't. I remember how safe and clean the city seemed. Good memories of Pike's Place Market, Pioneer  Square, a very cool underground bus tunnel, Bremerton ferry, Alki beach. No crime anywhere.

Quote from: Aglondir on March 02, 2024, 03:03:20 AMDamn that's sad to hear. I visited Seattle in 2008. Considered moving there, but glad I didn't. I remember how safe and clean the city seemed. Good memories of Pike's Place Market, Pioneer  Square, a very cool underground bus tunnel, Bremerton ferry, Alki beach. No crime anywhere.

Amazing that its turning into Detroit before our eyes. Sadly its a predictable consequence and the morons cheering it on will eventually move somewhere NOT messed up (namely The Deep South) and bring their brand of insanity with them. If only we could build a containment wall around the zone to keep them inside. At this point, these people are little better than virus-carriers and should be treated as such.