Quote from: Jaeger on February 02, 2023, 05:38:29 PMThe text and image scraping that AI chat, and especially AI art pulls from to do what they do is all fun and games until the copyright lawsuits begin to fly...

I'm quite surprised we haven't seen lawsuits already!

Quote from: jeff37923 on February 02, 2023, 05:44:44 PMIt took you a few tries to get a useable single room for a dungeon. I don't think that you can do this to cover an entire adventure module, even a short one.

I wondered about that too...so I asked for a short dungeon by JRR Tolkien:

The entrance to the underground labyrinth was a yawning, black chasm in the side of a rugged mountain range. It was a place of shadow and foreboding, and a chill wind blew forth from the depths, carrying with it the whispers of ancient secrets.

Two great stone doors, carved with images of snarling beasts and twisted trees, stood guard at the entrance. Their hinges were rusty with age and seemed to groan in protest as they slowly creaked open.

Beyond the doors was a winding staircase that spiraled deep into the earth, lit by flickering torches set into the stone walls. The walls were carved with mysterious runes, the meaning of which had been lost to time.

At the bottom of the staircase was a large chamber, filled with columns and arches of gleaming white stone. In the center of the chamber was a still pool, its surface as smooth as glass. A narrow bridge, suspended over the water, led to a narrow passage that vanished into the darkness.

The air was heavy with the scent of damp earth and ancient mold, and the silence was broken only by the sound of dripping water echoing through the caverns. It was a place of mystery and wonder, where one could sense the presence of ancient, powerful magic.

I don't know how usable the ChapGPT is to creation of anything beyond article length and whether there's a way for the AI to create a through line across multiple articles in its current incarnation.

Quote from: jeff37923 on February 02, 2023, 05:44:44 PMI wouldn't waste my money on them.

As for AI written books, I wonder how long until any of us would even notice the difference?

The journalist posts I've read show that AI can write bland repetitive news copy equal to anything on Yahoo or most generic news sites. I could see free websites who exist via ads & clickbait titles using AI to generate daily content.

Quote from: Spinachcat on February 02, 2023, 03:46:08 PM
Holy shit! I'd totally read the rest of that story!

It really seems to have a feel for Howard's writing. I tried the following:

Describe a barbarian in the style of R E Howard:

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He was a massive figure, his broad chest and corded arms a testament to a lifetime of battle. His hair, the color of sunset, was braided into a mane that flowed down his back, and his eyes burned with the ferocity of a hunting cat. He was a man of the wilderness, at home in the untamed lands where only the strong could survive. His weapon of choice was a massive battle axe, which he wielded with ease, splitting armor and skulls alike. He was a warrior, a fighter, a conqueror. He was a barbarian.

Describe a woman in the style of R E Howard:

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She stood tall and proud, her lithe form encased in close-fitting leather. Her hair, dark as midnight, flowed in wild waves about her shoulders, framing a face of striking beauty. Her eyes were like diamonds, shining with a mysterious light, and her lips curled into a hint of a smile, hinting at the cunning and strength that lay beneath. She was a woman of action, as comfortable wielding a sword as she was navigating the intrigues of courts and thieves' dens. She was exotic and mysterious, a true force to be reckoned with.

I'm thinking that this sort of thing would go very well with solo RPGing.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 02, 2023, 06:36:57 PM

Quote from: Zelen on February 02, 2023, 04:32:03 PM
AI generation tools are going to make producing things much easier. In general this is going to be a big benefit to GMs.

Imagine, for example, NPC generator:

* Give it a description, or let it describe itself
* Generates an image of a character
* Generates a long description
* Generates a plot hook or two for the character
* Generates stats & abilities appropriate to the game system

That's a nice tool to have in your pocket. I am sure that will be part of WOTC's offerings eventually. Heck, I would make something like this if I had the time/budget.

Python + ChatterBot library

The trick is to train it without 4chan edgelords turning it into a nazi.

You would need a closed ecosystem of GMs/Players to chat with it to help train it. Plus having it read/retrieve the works of Tolkien, REH, ERB, HPL, and others.

And have an antiplagiarism tool built into it so it can run it's output through and use that to train itself.

I'll see IF I can find the time to build one myself, but where to host it?

Much of this is already possible without needing "AI" tools to begin with. Like generating a short NPC blurb description is easily possible with a chart. Most of the time a character's description is going to look like: "a [sex] [race] with a [random unique characteristic]".

You can do the same thing with a dice and a chart in a book, the benefit to the computer is doing it all quickly with one click, and instead of a limited lookup table it's trained on billions and billions of works.

If you're sincerely interested in investigating something like this, for hosting you could just use GitHub or something like itch.io.

So, I decided to goof around with it a bit more. I sometimes give it the same prompt multiple times, to see how much variation it's actually capable of. Here are two different responses to the same prompt...

Prompt: Write a description of Bilbo Baggins and Bag-End, as if it were written by H.P. Lovecraft.

Response #1: Bilbo Baggins, a halfling of small stature, resided in the curious and ancient dwelling known as Bag-End. This hobbit-hole, buried deep within the rolling hills of the Shire, was a place of unspeakable horrors and otherworldly mystery.

The very walls of Bag-End seemed to pulse with a malevolent energy, as if they were alive and harboring dark secrets. The furnishings, though quaint and whimsical, gave off an aura of decay and decay. The air was thick with the scent of mildew and rot, and a feeling of oppressive dread hung heavy in the air.

Bilbo himself was not immune to the strange and unsettling qualities of his abode. His eyes, though bright and twinkling, held a hint of madness, as if he had gazed upon unspeakable horrors that had driven him to the brink of insanity. His mannerisms were furtive and erratic, and he would often murmur to himself in hushed tones, as if communing with some unseen entity.

Despite these ominous qualities, Bilbo possessed a curious and adventurous spirit, and he would often venture forth from the comfort of Bag-End to explore the mysterious and unknown. It was on one such journey that he came across the One Ring, a powerful artifact said to have been forged by the dark lord Sauron in the fiery depths of Mount Doom.

The acquisition of this ring only served to deepen the darkness that surrounded Bilbo and Bag-End. Its evil power seemed to leech into the very fabric of the hobbit-hole, causing it to pulsate with a malign energy. Those who dared to enter the dwelling reported feeling as if they were being watched by unseen eyes, and a palpable sense of fear and unease hung in the air.

Bilbo may have been a halfling of small stature, but the power that he wielded and the horrors that he had witnessed placed him on equal footing with the Great Old Ones themselves. He was a being not to be underestimated, and Bag-End, his dwelling, was a place not to be approached lightly. For within its walls lay secrets that were best left undiscovered, and terrors that were best left unspoken.

Response #2: Bilbo Baggins, a hobbit of the Shire, was an odd and curious creature. The small, rotund being lived in a most unusual dwelling, known as Bag-End. The quaint and cozy abode was nestled in the rolling hills of the Shire, a seeming paradox of the eerie and otherworldly.

Bag-End was a place of subtle and insidious horrors. The hobbit-hole was not of this world, and yet it stood, a monument to the unknown and the unseen. The walls of the abode seemed to shift and writhe, as if alive with malevolent intent. The air within was thick and heavy, like a miasma of dread. It was a place of unutterable and cosmic terror, a pit of madness in the heart of the Shire.

Bilbo himself was a strange and mysterious creature, a being of both light and darkness. He had ventured forth from the Shire on a journey that had taken him far beyond the bounds of the known world. He had faced horrors beyond comprehension, yet he had returned, seemingly unchanged. But the eyes of Bilbo Baggins were not the eyes of a hobbit. They were ancient and wise, and they held within them the secrets of the universe.

Bilbo was a master of the arcane, a wielder of ancient magic. He had acquired a treasure of such monstrous and terrible power that it was said to be cursed. The ring, as it was known, was a source of unspeakable and irresistible evil, and it was said to have the power to bring about the end of the world.

Bilbo Baggins and Bag-End were a warning to all who encountered them. They were a symbol of the things that lay beyond the boundaries of the known world, of the horrors that lurked in the shadows. They were a reminder that there were forces at work in the universe that were beyond the understanding of mere mortals, and that these forces were not to be trifled with. For Bilbo Baggins and Bag-End were not of this world, and they were a manifestation of the ancient and terrible powers that lay beyond the veil of reality.

Okay, neither of those are perfect, but they're both pretty good, in their own way.

Quote from: Krazz on February 02, 2023, 07:27:50 PM
I'm thinking that this sort of thing would go very well with solo RPGing.

Indeed, many solo gamers have been playing with various bits of AI powered tech for solo play.  One of the more interesting ones on YouTube is integrating chatGPT, AI Art, and AI voices and the results look very entertaining.  Due to the nature of the tech used, it's not buttery smooth yet, but it shows the potential.

Quote from: zircher on February 03, 2023, 12:14:17 AM

Quote from: Krazz on February 02, 2023, 07:27:50 PM
I'm thinking that this sort of thing would go very well with solo RPGing.

Indeed, many solo gamers have been playing with various bits of AI powered tech for solo play.  One of the more interesting ones on YouTube is integrating chatGPT, AI Art, and AI voices and the results look very entertaining.  Due to the nature of the tech used, it's not buttery smooth yet, but it shows the potential.

Theres also been alot of resistance. Partly because ChatRPG has been spambotting sites. One of my players is on Rddit and says they shill the site regularly with junk posts.

I looked at some of the posts and they are wouped up Eliza progs.
Worse they are almost certainly swiping bits of text from anything online just like the art AIs are.

The dislike of these things is going to grow as shills try to push them.

Quote from: Omega on February 03, 2023, 06:06:28 AM

Quote from: zircher on February 03, 2023, 12:14:17 AM

Quote from: Krazz on February 02, 2023, 07:27:50 PM
I'm thinking that this sort of thing would go very well with solo RPGing.

Indeed, many solo gamers have been playing with various bits of AI powered tech for solo play.  One of the more interesting ones on YouTube is integrating chatGPT, AI Art, and AI voices and the results look very entertaining.  Due to the nature of the tech used, it's not buttery smooth yet, but it shows the potential.

Theres also been alot of resistance. Partly because ChatRPG has been spambotting sites. One of my players is on Rddit and says they shill the site regularly with junk posts.

I looked at some of the posts and they are wouped up Eliza progs.
Worse they are almost certainly swiping bits of text from anything online just like the art AIs are.

The dislike of these things is going to grow as shills try to push them.

So these things are basically doing and internet search and doing an elaborate copy-paste job?

Quote from: Ratman_tf on February 03, 2023, 06:12:00 AM
So these things are basically doing and internet search and doing an elaborate copy-paste job?

Not... exactly, as far as I understand it, but they definitely rely on sampling text to produce new text, yes.

I will give the creators credit for having a very, very solid language processing model - both in understanding natural text and parsing meaning from it, and then in composing very natural sounding, readable text back that isn't just empty platitudes and gobbledygook Although it occasionally does both.

Out of curiosity, I tried something else...

I asked it: Do you know the creation myth of Tolkien's "Middle Earth"? If so, summarize it in 5-7 paragraphs.

It responded: The creation myth of J.R.R. Tolkien's Middle-earth is based on the idea of a supreme being named Eru Ilúvatar, who creates the universe and all its inhabitants through music. Ilúvatar created the Ainur, angelic beings of immense power, and invited them to participate in the creation of the universe by singing melodies according to his vision.

From the music of the Ainur, the world of Middle-earth was formed. The most powerful of the Ainur, Melkor, became envious of Ilúvatar's creation and began to introduce discord into the music. This led to a great battle between the forces of Melkor and the other Ainur, which eventually resulted in the formation of the physical universe, including the planet of Middle-earth.

Ilúvatar then created the first beings, the elves and the dwarves, and gave them the ability to live and thrive in Middle-earth. The Valar, the mightiest of the Ainur, descended to Middle-earth to guide and protect the elves and dwarves. However, Melkor also came to Middle-earth, where he continued to spread darkness and chaos, leading to the creation of evil creatures such as orcs, trolls, and goblins.

In response to Melkor's evil deeds, Ilúvatar created the first humans, whom he intended to be the greatest of all beings and to bring balance to the world. Ilúvatar also sent the angelic being, named Eru in the form of Manwe, to help guide and protect the humans.

Throughout the history of Middle-earth, the actions of Melkor and his followers were opposed by the Valar, the elves, and other good beings. Despite their efforts, Melkor was eventually able to capture the beautiful island of Aman, where the elves had created their paradise, and rename it as the Land of Shadow. In the end, Ilúvatar intervened and defeated Melkor, bringing an end to his reign of terror and restoring peace to Middle-earth.

Thus, the creation myth of Middle-earth is one of ongoing struggles between good and evil, and the ultimate triumph of good through the intervention of Ilúvatar.

Now, this is interesting. You can sort of see the breakdown here. The AI sounds authoritative. It uses all the right words. Certainly, if you gave that to someone who had no more understanding of Lord of the Rings than the movies, they would probably accept it. But, actually, it's almost entirely wrong. It uses all the right words... But pretty much every "fact" it gives is wrong. The creation of Ea and Arda didn't happen that way, Eru didn't create the dwarves, Manwe was not Eru, and so on.

You know what ChatGPT reminds me of? It reminds me of me, when I was writing essays for highschool, in classes where I had figured out the teacher was either mentally checked out, or was never qualified to teach that subject to begin with. You write a plausible sounding introduction and conclusion, and just assume the teacher doesn't actually give two shits about the work itself. As long as you sound like you know what you're talking about, you would be amazed how often you can get a good grade spinning a web of complete bullshit.

Just to add fuel to the fire here, there's a bit of angst going on about AI used to 'deepfake' voices.

Now I wanna grab Pundit's videos and use it to make an audio track where he talks about the joys of communism and why you should be happy under WotC's boot

Jokes aside, there are some interesting possibilities here, but as people have noted, the censorship tools are going to be the real draw.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on February 03, 2023, 09:22:12 AM
Just to add fuel to the fire here, there's a bit of angst going on about AI used to 'deepfake' voices.

Now I wanna grab Pundit's videos and use it to make an audio track where he talks about the joys of communism and why you should be happy under WotC's boot

Jokes aside, there are some interesting possibilities here, but as people have noted, the censorship tools are going to be the real draw.

Oh, I've been having a hell of a lot of fun with the AI voice cloning tools. I can make anything sound like Gandalf, or the narrator from Darkest Dungeon, or James Earl Jones.

Right now, it's too early to really use for a gaming tool, but there's more potential there than with ChatGPT. And I can imagine it being a death knell for voice acting in 5-10 years.

Quote from: Omega on February 03, 2023, 06:06:28 AM
Worse they are almost certainly swiping bits of text from anything online just like the art AIs are.

That's not how these work at all. You can run an ML model on a computer with no internet connection.

Quote from: Bruwulf on February 03, 2023, 08:50:17 AM
You know what ChatGPT reminds me of? It reminds me of me, when I was writing essays for highschool, in classes where I had figured out the teacher was either mentally checked out, or was never qualified to teach that subject to begin with. You write a plausible sounding introduction and conclusion, and just assume the teacher doesn't actually give two shits about the work itself. As long as you sound like you know what you're talking about, you would be amazed how often you can get a good grade spinning a web of complete bullshit.

Yeah. I mark a lot of student essays. ChatGPT writes exactly the same kind of fake essays that essay mill services provide to students who are assured that lecturers don't really read the essays.

Just in case some disingenuous twat tries to claim the AI is the product and not the censorship tools :



Relevant because it will sooner or later show in the way it models ANYTHING, ask it to write a D&D adventure in the style of REH? Output: I'm sorry I can't emulate the style of a racist/sexist huwhite man.

If you want an uncensored AI youwill have to make it yourself.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 03, 2023, 01:07:56 PM
If you want an uncensored AI youwill have to make it yourself.

Which is why I run Stable Diffusion on my local machine rather than using the online versions.  Sometimes I really do need blood splattered nuns with machine guns fighting zombie hordes for a project.   

[If you don't have a good GPU and must work online, strawberry jam makes for a good substitute in your render prompts.]

Quote from: zircher on February 03, 2023, 01:17:11 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 03, 2023, 01:07:56 PM
If you want an uncensored AI youwill have to make it yourself.

Which is why I run Stable Diffusion on my local machine rather than using the online versions.  Sometimes I really do need blood splattered nuns with machine guns fighting zombie hordes for a project.   

[If you don't have a good GPU and must work online, strawberry jam makes for a good substitute in your render prompts.]

LOL, for a moment I thought you were talking about a different AI "Art" Generator.