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I read an article on ChatGPT replacing journalism this morning. The usual for 2023 - yet another industry is being replaced by AI very swiftly - and I wandered over to ChatGPT to see how much better it was compared to AI text creators I'd tested out in 2020.
Here's my first prompt: Describe a room with a monster
Here's the AI output: The room is dimly lit, with only a flickering candle on a nearby table casting shadows on the walls. The air is musty and damp, and the floorboards creak underfoot. In the corner of the room, a large, hulking shape can be seen, its eyes glowing red in the darkness. The monster is covered in fur and has razor-sharp claws, and its breath comes in deep, menacing growls. The atmosphere is tense and frightening, and one can sense the danger lurking in the shadows.
Cliche gumbo? True, but highly comparable to much "Official Adventure Texts" that get cranked out.
Here's my second prompt : Describe an oblong treasure chamber with a medusa, several horrific statues and two strange alcoves
Here's the output: An oblong treasure chamber is a long and narrow room filled with valuable items and treasures. In this chamber, there is a statue of a medusa, a mythical creature with snakes for hair that can turn people to stone. There are also several other horrific statues scattered around the room, depicting frightening creatures or scenes. In addition to the statues, there are two alcoves, or small recesses in the walls, that are unusual and unique. These alcoves may contain mysterious artifacts or perhaps even hidden doors.
I thought that was pretty weak and hit Regenerate Response.
Here's the redone output from the same prompt: The oblong treasure chamber is a spacious room with elongated proportions and high ceiling. At the center of the chamber, there is a statue of a mythical creature known as a medusa, with snakes for hair and a stone gaze that can turn onlookers to stone. Surrounding the medusa are several other horrific statues depicting monsters and creatures from folklore. The walls of the chamber are adorned with intricate carvings and there are two mysterious alcoves on either side of the room. These alcoves are dark and appear to lead to unknown areas, adding an air of mystery to the already eerie atmosphere of the treasure chamber.
Somewhat better, but actually weaker than the cliche gumbo produced via the first prompt. So then I tried this:
Prompt: Describe a room with a monster in the style of Gary Gygax
Response: You enter a dimly lit room, the musty smell of mold and decay fills your nostrils. The walls are slick with moisture, and the flickering torchlight dances upon the stone floor. In the center of the room, you see a hulking figure, its eyes glowing with a malevolent intelligence. Its skin is a sickly green, and its massive jaws are dripping with saliva. You have stumbled upon a monster, a formidable foe indeed. With a deep rumble, the beast rises to its feet, revealing a body covered in jagged spines and razor-sharp claws. You have entered its lair, and it is not pleased with your intrusion. Your heart races as you draw your weapon and prepare for battle. The monster roars, and you know that you must use all of your skills and wits if you hope to survive. For this is not just any monster, but a terror beyond compare, the stuff of legend. Are you ready, adventurer? The fight of your life awaits.
Cliche gumbo with a purple prose gaming flavor!
So...let's get more literary.
Prompt: Describe a room with a monster in the style of J.R.R. Tolkien
Response: The room was musty and damp, lit only by the flicker of a single torch on the wall. Its stone walls were covered in a layer of moss and cobwebs, and a sense of unease filled the air. In the corner of the room, a monstrous figure was slumped against the wall, its eyes gleaming with an inner light. Its skin was rough and scaly, and its breath came in short, rasping gasps. Its razor-sharp claws glinted in the torchlight, and its jaws were wide, revealing jagged teeth. The creature was shrouded in an aura of darkness and evil, and it seemed to radiate malevolence and threat. Yet, there was a certain majesty to the beast, a sense of power and authority that was undeniable. This was no ordinary monster, but a servant of the dark forces of Middle-earth, a being of immense power and unspeakable evil.
It's poor LotR fan fic...but I've read worse in many cheap fantasy novels and certainly in the game prose in numerous RPGs. One last one:
Prompt: Describe a room with a monster in the style of Robert E. Howard
Response: The room was dimly lit, casting ominous shadows along the rough-hewn stone walls. A musty scent hung heavy in the air, tainting each breath with the stench of decay. At the far end of the chamber, a hulking figure stirred, its massive form shrouded in darkness. The sound of ragged breathing echoed across the room, like the snarling of some great beast.
As my eyes adjusted to the dim light, I could see the outline of the monster, a massive brute with the body of a man and the head of a wolf. Its eyes gleamed red, like the fiery coals of some underworld hell, as it fixed its gaze upon me. I felt my heart pounding in my chest, for I knew that I stood before a creature born of nightmares and ancient lore. I reached for my sword, steeling myself for the fight of my life. The monster growled, its lips curling back from jagged teeth, and lunged towards me.
Holy shit! I'd totally read the rest of that story!
What does this mean for RPGs?
You can bet that many future published adventure and setting texts will be AI driven, at least as the core and then fleshed out or altered to fit the setting. I have no doubt fully AI created dungeons and RPG adventures will be upon us in 5 years (or less).
But they're gonna be mostly cliche gumbo. Maybe not in 10 years, but probably for the next 5 years...and most people will probably be okay with that, especially text created by an AI trained to even better emulate specific great authors.
I ran through some more tests and the results were mostly "okay filler text", but some certainly had sections that I'd be happy to cut & paste into encounter descriptions for my gaming group. One even jumped out as a solid text for a game book that I'd have no problem using.
What are your thoughts about our Brave New Gaming World?
Have you used ChatGPT for any adventure writing?
How do you feel about buying books written by or assisted by AI?
Is it too soon hail our new AI DM overlords?
ChatGPT isn't the product, the censorship tools are, using it is helping them to develop said tools, no thanks.
That being said: If I had unlimited access to an uncensored text AI I would totally use it for lots of stuff, from inspiration to outright copy/paste.
Now, you need to run that output through a paraphraser tool with a no plagiarism filter to be sure you can sell that.
Yes, I predict DnDOne WILL include an AI DM in the near future, cliche gumbo is perfectly fine for most, and if you can fine tune it to imitate REH or ERB but retain the DM style of description (I entered vs You enter) you're set to milk the players with all the microtransactions you can.
Quote from: Spinachcat on February 02, 2023, 03:46:08 PM
What are your thoughts about our Brave New Gaming World?
After trying TT gaming online during Covid, I discovered that gaming in person with other people is a major factor in why I love this hobby.
QuoteHave you used ChatGPT for any adventure writing?
No. While I'm interested in playing around with AI chat and art programs to see what the hubaloo is all about, they require signups and I'm not interested in giving them my email.
QuoteHow do you feel about buying books written by or assisted by AI?
Is it too soon hail our new AI DM overlords?
If you want a vision of the future, imagine two chatbots talking to each other forever.
AI generation tools are going to make producing things much easier. In general this is going to be a big benefit to GMs.
Imagine, for example, NPC generator:
* Give it a description, or let it describe itself
* Generates an image of a character
* Generates a long description
* Generates a plot hook or two for the character
* Generates stats & abilities appropriate to the game system
That's a nice tool to have in your pocket. I am sure that will be part of WOTC's offerings eventually. Heck, I would make something like this if I had the time/budget.
AI might screw up published table top products in the near future but for OneD&D, why describe a room that appears on the virtual tabletop?
An AI DM running on the virtual tabletop would be invisible like a video game. In fact everything would likely be like a video game except the AI might be able to come up with more variety for NPC conversations. That is assuming someone else had already built a dungeon or whatever for the AI to run. I imagine before long WotC will have AIs capable or running any of the classic adventures on the virtual tabletop. It might be kind of cool for awhile, or it might b e like a really horrible version of World of Warcraft.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 02, 2023, 03:59:18 PMChatGPT isn't the product, the censorship tools are, using it is helping them to develop said tools, no thanks.
You are quite correct good sir! I am assuming my access to the internet will vanish either voluntarily or involuntarily before 2030 arrives. The internet's deplorables will not be tolerated much longer and I have become increasingly "worse" as I gray.
Quote from: Ratman_tf on February 02, 2023, 04:25:52 PMAfter trying TT gaming online during Covid, I discovered that gaming in person with other people is a major factor in why I love this hobby.
That was my response to MMOs back with Ultima Online. When I tried VTT RPGing, I realized I'd rather play WoW...and I don't really like WoW.
Quote from: Ratman_tf on February 02, 2023, 04:25:52 PMIf you want a vision of the future, imagine two chatbots talking to each other forever.
Still better than reading RPG.net threads.
Quote from: Zelen on February 02, 2023, 04:32:03 PM
AI generation tools are going to make producing things much easier. In general this is going to be a big benefit to GMs.
Imagine, for example, NPC generator:
Prompt:
Describe a tavern and its patrons in the style of H.P. LovecraftResponse:
The tavern, nestled within the crumbling outskirts of the ancient city, was a dingy and decrepit establishment. Its walls were stained with the smoke of centuries, and its floorboards creaked ominously with every footstep. The patrons that frequented the tavern were a motley crew of the outcast and the desperate, all seeking refuge from the oppressive shadows that seemed to linger around every corner of the city. They were a superstitious lot, their hushed whispers filled with tales of eldritch horrors and unseen terrors that haunted the darkened streets outside. The bartender, a haggard old man with a withered face and piercing gaze, watched over the patrons with a mixture of amusement and contempt, for he knew all too well the dread secrets that lay just beyond the tavern's walls. And as the night wore on, and the spirits flowed freely, the patrons grew ever more anxious and paranoid, their eyes darting about the tavern as they imagined the inhuman horrors that might be lurking in the darkness outside.
I've tried messing around with ChatGPT a few times. Some of the results it produces are amusing, although for the most part I don't really have a place for it in my gaming ecosystem.
Writing something yourself makes you think about it and also retain it better.
Using an AI to do it for you is the 21st century version of "boxed text". I suppose one version of the paid GM is getting paid in product to faithfully read boxed text and occasionally gloss over it's shortcomings until they determine how to automate you out of your job. That's how McDonalds produces their food, with a process where the employee thinking is considered a net negative. So I can see that kind of low-quality product being a huge seller.
So yeah, it would be a great tool if you didn't want to get better at the craft.
Just another random generator...
I was working on something locally based on GPT-J (GPT-3 clone) and got some good results but eventually just decided it was nothing more than ELIZA and a toy. Great starting point when you need some inspiration, or want to do some sort of rogue-like, but ultimately pales in comparison to face-to-face gaming.
EDIT: For online solo gaming, this is the wave of the future. But it's no replacement for tabletop.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 02, 2023, 03:59:18 PM
ChatGPT isn't the product, the censorship tools are, using it is helping them to develop said tools, no thanks.
Now, you need to run that output through a paraphraser tool with a no plagiarism filter to be sure you can sell that.
^This^
The text and image scraping that AI chat, and especially AI art pulls from to do what they do is all fun and games until the copyright lawsuits begin to fly...
Quote from: Spinachcat on February 02, 2023, 03:46:08 PM
What are your thoughts about our Brave New Gaming World?
Pretty lame. It took you a few tries to get a useable single room for a dungeon. I don't think that you can do this to cover an entire adventure module, even a short one.
Quote from: Spinachcat on February 02, 2023, 03:46:08 PM
Have you used ChatGPT for any adventure writing?
No, but people keep posting shit to the Traveller RPG Facebook Group on what ChatGPT thinks of Traveller and I gotta tell you, even though they were submitted by different people - the results all read the same because they used the same snippets of text found online. A lackluster Wikipedia entry is better worded and researched.
Quote from: Spinachcat on February 02, 2023, 03:46:08 PM
How do you feel about buying books written by or assisted by AI?
I wouldn't waste my money on them.
Quote from: Spinachcat on February 02, 2023, 03:46:08 PM
Is it too soon hail our new AI DM overlords?
Fuck, yes it is.
Quote from: Spinachcat on February 02, 2023, 03:46:08 PMHere's my first prompt: <snip>
Here's the AI output: <snip>
yeah, it is pretty amazing and it is only the very early stages. These kinds of things are going to change stuff in major ways, and not in some distant future... soon. ChatGPT is still an experiment. There is no way it can be used in any practical way yet. Beyond a search engine of sorts. Like, why search stack overflow for code samples when it can do it in seconds for you... stuff like that. Still, for now, it is very limited.
When it is beyond the current experiment stages, I mean it is not even like a alpha or w/e yet. It is literally just a proof of concept.
When it actually works and, say Hasbro, makes an application using these techniques but in an app built and completely designed to be a DM or a creature generator, spit out dialogue, etc etc .. it is really going to make stuff go insane. What will happen in computer games is even more crazy.
The thing is the tech is far beyond entertainment medium. The next major tech evolution (last was the internet) is coming, and like the internet the world is never going to be the same.
My most fun moment with ChatGPT...
My input: "If a plane crashes on the Canadian-American border, where do you bury the survivors?"
ChatGPT's output: "If a plane crashes on the Canadian-American border, the question of where to bury the survivors would likely be determined by a number of factors, including the location of the crash site, the nationalities of the survivors, and the laws and regulations of the respective countries.
In such an event, the authorities of both Canada and the United States would likely work together to coordinate a response and make decisions about the recovery and disposition of the bodies. The families of the deceased would also likely have a say in where their loved ones are buried.
In general, the final decision would be based on the best interests of the survivors and their families, taking into account the location of relatives, cultural and religious practices, and other personal factors.
It's worth noting that this is a sensitive topic, and the priority should be given to to provide support to the families and friends of the victims and survivors, and the authorities should handle the situation with compassion and empathy."
Swing and a miss, AI. Swing and a miss.
I'm personally preparing for more of a cyberpunk dystopia than Terminator.
Anybody optimistic about these technologies possible humanitarian uses reminds me of Nobel and the invention of TNT.
Before anybody calls me a luddite, tools have always not been the problem. It's the people who use them. The people who are developing this tech are completely unethical and only concerned with a payday, and the people who want this tech developed are sociopaths who see free will as an annoyance to absolute cash flow. We aren't in some 'mediocre writer' shortage. This isn't some cure for cancer or a fix to our energy problems. This is only fixing issues if you consider needing to deal with people a problem.
For now, maybe it's too gimmicky to use. But I have basically lost most optimism about the future over technologies such as these.
Quote from: Zelen on February 02, 2023, 04:32:03 PM
AI generation tools are going to make producing things much easier. In general this is going to be a big benefit to GMs.
Imagine, for example, NPC generator:
* Give it a description, or let it describe itself
* Generates an image of a character
* Generates a long description
* Generates a plot hook or two for the character
* Generates stats & abilities appropriate to the game system
That's a nice tool to have in your pocket. I am sure that will be part of WOTC's offerings eventually. Heck, I would make something like this if I had the time/budget.
Python + ChatterBot library
The trick is to train it without 4chan edgelords turning it into a nazi.
You would need a closed ecosystem of GMs/Players to chat with it to help train it. Plus having it read/retrieve the works of Tolkien, REH, ERB, HPL, and others.
And have an antiplagiarism tool built into it so it can run it's output through and use that to train itself.
I'll see IF I can find the time to build one myself, but where to host it?
Quote from: Jaeger on February 02, 2023, 05:38:29 PMThe text and image scraping that AI chat, and especially AI art pulls from to do what they do is all fun and games until the copyright lawsuits begin to fly...
I'm quite surprised we haven't seen lawsuits already!
Quote from: jeff37923 on February 02, 2023, 05:44:44 PMIt took you a few tries to get a useable single room for a dungeon. I don't think that you can do this to cover an entire adventure module, even a short one.
I wondered about that too...so I asked for a short dungeon by JRR Tolkien:
The entrance to the underground labyrinth was a yawning, black chasm in the side of a rugged mountain range. It was a place of shadow and foreboding, and a chill wind blew forth from the depths, carrying with it the whispers of ancient secrets.
Two great stone doors, carved with images of snarling beasts and twisted trees, stood guard at the entrance. Their hinges were rusty with age and seemed to groan in protest as they slowly creaked open.
Beyond the doors was a winding staircase that spiraled deep into the earth, lit by flickering torches set into the stone walls. The walls were carved with mysterious runes, the meaning of which had been lost to time.
At the bottom of the staircase was a large chamber, filled with columns and arches of gleaming white stone. In the center of the chamber was a still pool, its surface as smooth as glass. A narrow bridge, suspended over the water, led to a narrow passage that vanished into the darkness.
The air was heavy with the scent of damp earth and ancient mold, and the silence was broken only by the sound of dripping water echoing through the caverns. It was a place of mystery and wonder, where one could sense the presence of ancient, powerful magic.I don't know how usable the ChapGPT is to creation of anything beyond article length and whether there's a way for the AI to create a through line across multiple articles in its current incarnation.
Quote from: jeff37923 on February 02, 2023, 05:44:44 PMI wouldn't waste my money on them.
As for AI written books, I wonder how long until any of us would even notice the difference?
The journalist posts I've read show that AI can write bland repetitive news copy equal to anything on Yahoo or most generic news sites. I could see free websites who exist via ads & clickbait titles using AI to generate daily content.
Quote from: Spinachcat on February 02, 2023, 03:46:08 PM
Holy shit! I'd totally read the rest of that story!
It really seems to have a feel for Howard's writing. I tried the following:
Describe a barbarian in the style of R E Howard:
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He was a massive figure, his broad chest and corded arms a testament to a lifetime of battle. His hair, the color of sunset, was braided into a mane that flowed down his back, and his eyes burned with the ferocity of a hunting cat. He was a man of the wilderness, at home in the untamed lands where only the strong could survive. His weapon of choice was a massive battle axe, which he wielded with ease, splitting armor and skulls alike. He was a warrior, a fighter, a conqueror. He was a barbarian.
Describe a woman in the style of R E Howard:
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She stood tall and proud, her lithe form encased in close-fitting leather. Her hair, dark as midnight, flowed in wild waves about her shoulders, framing a face of striking beauty. Her eyes were like diamonds, shining with a mysterious light, and her lips curled into a hint of a smile, hinting at the cunning and strength that lay beneath. She was a woman of action, as comfortable wielding a sword as she was navigating the intrigues of courts and thieves' dens. She was exotic and mysterious, a true force to be reckoned with.
I'm thinking that this sort of thing would go very well with solo RPGing.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 02, 2023, 06:36:57 PM
Quote from: Zelen on February 02, 2023, 04:32:03 PM
AI generation tools are going to make producing things much easier. In general this is going to be a big benefit to GMs.
Imagine, for example, NPC generator:
* Give it a description, or let it describe itself
* Generates an image of a character
* Generates a long description
* Generates a plot hook or two for the character
* Generates stats & abilities appropriate to the game system
That's a nice tool to have in your pocket. I am sure that will be part of WOTC's offerings eventually. Heck, I would make something like this if I had the time/budget.
Python + ChatterBot library
The trick is to train it without 4chan edgelords turning it into a nazi.
You would need a closed ecosystem of GMs/Players to chat with it to help train it. Plus having it read/retrieve the works of Tolkien, REH, ERB, HPL, and others.
And have an antiplagiarism tool built into it so it can run it's output through and use that to train itself.
I'll see IF I can find the time to build one myself, but where to host it?
Much of this is already possible without needing "AI" tools to begin with. Like generating a short NPC blurb description is easily possible with a chart. Most of the time a character's description is going to look like: "a [sex] [race] with a [random unique characteristic]".
You can do the same thing with a dice and a chart in a book, the benefit to the computer is doing it all quickly with one click, and instead of a limited lookup table it's trained on billions and billions of works.
If you're sincerely interested in investigating something like this, for hosting you could just use GitHub or something like itch.io.
So, I decided to goof around with it a bit more. I sometimes give it the same prompt multiple times, to see how much variation it's actually capable of. Here are two different responses to the same prompt...
Prompt: Write a description of Bilbo Baggins and Bag-End, as if it were written by H.P. Lovecraft.
Response #1: Bilbo Baggins, a halfling of small stature, resided in the curious and ancient dwelling known as Bag-End. This hobbit-hole, buried deep within the rolling hills of the Shire, was a place of unspeakable horrors and otherworldly mystery.
The very walls of Bag-End seemed to pulse with a malevolent energy, as if they were alive and harboring dark secrets. The furnishings, though quaint and whimsical, gave off an aura of decay and decay. The air was thick with the scent of mildew and rot, and a feeling of oppressive dread hung heavy in the air.
Bilbo himself was not immune to the strange and unsettling qualities of his abode. His eyes, though bright and twinkling, held a hint of madness, as if he had gazed upon unspeakable horrors that had driven him to the brink of insanity. His mannerisms were furtive and erratic, and he would often murmur to himself in hushed tones, as if communing with some unseen entity.
Despite these ominous qualities, Bilbo possessed a curious and adventurous spirit, and he would often venture forth from the comfort of Bag-End to explore the mysterious and unknown. It was on one such journey that he came across the One Ring, a powerful artifact said to have been forged by the dark lord Sauron in the fiery depths of Mount Doom.
The acquisition of this ring only served to deepen the darkness that surrounded Bilbo and Bag-End. Its evil power seemed to leech into the very fabric of the hobbit-hole, causing it to pulsate with a malign energy. Those who dared to enter the dwelling reported feeling as if they were being watched by unseen eyes, and a palpable sense of fear and unease hung in the air.
Bilbo may have been a halfling of small stature, but the power that he wielded and the horrors that he had witnessed placed him on equal footing with the Great Old Ones themselves. He was a being not to be underestimated, and Bag-End, his dwelling, was a place not to be approached lightly. For within its walls lay secrets that were best left undiscovered, and terrors that were best left unspoken.
Response #2: Bilbo Baggins, a hobbit of the Shire, was an odd and curious creature. The small, rotund being lived in a most unusual dwelling, known as Bag-End. The quaint and cozy abode was nestled in the rolling hills of the Shire, a seeming paradox of the eerie and otherworldly.
Bag-End was a place of subtle and insidious horrors. The hobbit-hole was not of this world, and yet it stood, a monument to the unknown and the unseen. The walls of the abode seemed to shift and writhe, as if alive with malevolent intent. The air within was thick and heavy, like a miasma of dread. It was a place of unutterable and cosmic terror, a pit of madness in the heart of the Shire.
Bilbo himself was a strange and mysterious creature, a being of both light and darkness. He had ventured forth from the Shire on a journey that had taken him far beyond the bounds of the known world. He had faced horrors beyond comprehension, yet he had returned, seemingly unchanged. But the eyes of Bilbo Baggins were not the eyes of a hobbit. They were ancient and wise, and they held within them the secrets of the universe.
Bilbo was a master of the arcane, a wielder of ancient magic. He had acquired a treasure of such monstrous and terrible power that it was said to be cursed. The ring, as it was known, was a source of unspeakable and irresistible evil, and it was said to have the power to bring about the end of the world.
Bilbo Baggins and Bag-End were a warning to all who encountered them. They were a symbol of the things that lay beyond the boundaries of the known world, of the horrors that lurked in the shadows. They were a reminder that there were forces at work in the universe that were beyond the understanding of mere mortals, and that these forces were not to be trifled with. For Bilbo Baggins and Bag-End were not of this world, and they were a manifestation of the ancient and terrible powers that lay beyond the veil of reality.
Okay, neither of those are perfect, but they're both pretty good, in their own way.
Quote from: Krazz on February 02, 2023, 07:27:50 PM
I'm thinking that this sort of thing would go very well with solo RPGing.
Indeed, many solo gamers have been playing with various bits of AI powered tech for solo play. One of the more interesting ones on YouTube is integrating chatGPT, AI Art, and AI voices and the results look very entertaining. Due to the nature of the tech used, it's not buttery smooth yet, but it shows the potential.
Quote from: zircher on February 03, 2023, 12:14:17 AM
Quote from: Krazz on February 02, 2023, 07:27:50 PM
I'm thinking that this sort of thing would go very well with solo RPGing.
Indeed, many solo gamers have been playing with various bits of AI powered tech for solo play. One of the more interesting ones on YouTube is integrating chatGPT, AI Art, and AI voices and the results look very entertaining. Due to the nature of the tech used, it's not buttery smooth yet, but it shows the potential.
Theres also been alot of resistance. Partly because ChatRPG has been spambotting sites. One of my players is on Rddit and says they shill the site regularly with junk posts.
I looked at some of the posts and they are wouped up Eliza progs.
Worse they are almost certainly swiping bits of text from anything online just like the art AIs are.
The dislike of these things is going to grow as shills try to push them.
Quote from: Omega on February 03, 2023, 06:06:28 AM
Quote from: zircher on February 03, 2023, 12:14:17 AM
Quote from: Krazz on February 02, 2023, 07:27:50 PM
I'm thinking that this sort of thing would go very well with solo RPGing.
Indeed, many solo gamers have been playing with various bits of AI powered tech for solo play. One of the more interesting ones on YouTube is integrating chatGPT, AI Art, and AI voices and the results look very entertaining. Due to the nature of the tech used, it's not buttery smooth yet, but it shows the potential.
Theres also been alot of resistance. Partly because ChatRPG has been spambotting sites. One of my players is on Rddit and says they shill the site regularly with junk posts.
I looked at some of the posts and they are wouped up Eliza progs.
Worse they are almost certainly swiping bits of text from anything online just like the art AIs are.
The dislike of these things is going to grow as shills try to push them.
So these things are basically doing and internet search and doing an elaborate copy-paste job?
Quote from: Ratman_tf on February 03, 2023, 06:12:00 AM
So these things are basically doing and internet search and doing an elaborate copy-paste job?
Not... exactly, as far as I understand it, but they definitely rely on sampling text to produce new text, yes.
I will give the creators credit for having a very, very solid language processing model - both in understanding natural text and parsing meaning from it, and then in composing very natural sounding, readable text back that isn't just empty platitudes and gobbledygook Although it occasionally does both.
Out of curiosity, I tried something else...
I asked it:
Do you know the creation myth of Tolkien's "Middle Earth"? If so, summarize it in 5-7 paragraphs.It responded:
The creation myth of J.R.R. Tolkien's Middle-earth is based on the idea of a supreme being named Eru Ilúvatar, who creates the universe and all its inhabitants through music. Ilúvatar created the Ainur, angelic beings of immense power, and invited them to participate in the creation of the universe by singing melodies according to his vision.
From the music of the Ainur, the world of Middle-earth was formed. The most powerful of the Ainur, Melkor, became envious of Ilúvatar's creation and began to introduce discord into the music. This led to a great battle between the forces of Melkor and the other Ainur, which eventually resulted in the formation of the physical universe, including the planet of Middle-earth.
Ilúvatar then created the first beings, the elves and the dwarves, and gave them the ability to live and thrive in Middle-earth. The Valar, the mightiest of the Ainur, descended to Middle-earth to guide and protect the elves and dwarves. However, Melkor also came to Middle-earth, where he continued to spread darkness and chaos, leading to the creation of evil creatures such as orcs, trolls, and goblins.
In response to Melkor's evil deeds, Ilúvatar created the first humans, whom he intended to be the greatest of all beings and to bring balance to the world. Ilúvatar also sent the angelic being, named Eru in the form of Manwe, to help guide and protect the humans.
Throughout the history of Middle-earth, the actions of Melkor and his followers were opposed by the Valar, the elves, and other good beings. Despite their efforts, Melkor was eventually able to capture the beautiful island of Aman, where the elves had created their paradise, and rename it as the Land of Shadow. In the end, Ilúvatar intervened and defeated Melkor, bringing an end to his reign of terror and restoring peace to Middle-earth.
Thus, the creation myth of Middle-earth is one of ongoing struggles between good and evil, and the ultimate triumph of good through the intervention of Ilúvatar.Now, this is interesting. You can sort of see the breakdown here. The AI sounds authoritative. It uses all the right words. Certainly, if you gave that to someone who had no more understanding of Lord of the Rings than the movies, they would probably accept it. But, actually, it's almost entirely wrong. It uses all the right words... But pretty much every "fact" it gives is wrong. The creation of Ea and Arda didn't happen that way, Eru didn't create the dwarves, Manwe was not Eru, and so on.
You know what ChatGPT reminds me of? It reminds me of me, when I was writing essays for highschool, in classes where I had figured out the teacher was either mentally checked out, or was never qualified to teach that subject to begin with. You write a plausible sounding introduction and conclusion, and just assume the teacher doesn't actually give two shits about the work itself. As long as you sound like you know what you're talking about, you would be amazed how often you can get a good grade spinning a web of complete bullshit.
Just to add fuel to the fire here, there's a bit of angst going on about AI used to 'deepfake' voices.
Now I wanna grab Pundit's videos and use it to make an audio track where he talks about the joys of communism and why you should be happy under WotC's boot :D
Jokes aside, there are some interesting possibilities here, but as people have noted, the censorship tools are going to be the real draw.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on February 03, 2023, 09:22:12 AM
Just to add fuel to the fire here, there's a bit of angst going on about AI used to 'deepfake' voices.
Now I wanna grab Pundit's videos and use it to make an audio track where he talks about the joys of communism and why you should be happy under WotC's boot :D
Jokes aside, there are some interesting possibilities here, but as people have noted, the censorship tools are going to be the real draw.
Oh, I've been having a hell of a lot of fun with the AI voice cloning tools. I can make anything sound like Gandalf, or the narrator from Darkest Dungeon, or James Earl Jones.
Right now, it's too early to really use for a gaming tool, but there's more potential there than with ChatGPT. And I can imagine it being a death knell for voice acting in 5-10 years.
Quote from: Omega on February 03, 2023, 06:06:28 AM
Worse they are almost certainly swiping bits of text from anything online just like the art AIs are.
That's not how these work at all. You can run an ML model on a computer with no internet connection.
Quote from: Bruwulf on February 03, 2023, 08:50:17 AM
You know what ChatGPT reminds me of? It reminds me of me, when I was writing essays for highschool, in classes where I had figured out the teacher was either mentally checked out, or was never qualified to teach that subject to begin with. You write a plausible sounding introduction and conclusion, and just assume the teacher doesn't actually give two shits about the work itself. As long as you sound like you know what you're talking about, you would be amazed how often you can get a good grade spinning a web of complete bullshit.
Yeah. I mark a lot of student essays. ChatGPT writes exactly the same kind of fake essays that essay mill services provide to students who are assured that lecturers don't really read the essays.
Just in case some disingenuous twat tries to claim the AI is the product and not the censorship tools :
Relevant because it will sooner or later show in the way it models ANYTHING, ask it to write a D&D adventure in the style of REH? Output: I'm sorry I can't emulate the style of a racist/sexist huwhite man.
If you want an uncensored AI youwill have to make it yourself.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 03, 2023, 01:07:56 PM
If you want an uncensored AI youwill have to make it yourself.
Which is why I run Stable Diffusion on my local machine rather than using the online versions. Sometimes I really do need blood splattered nuns with machine guns fighting zombie hordes for a project. :D
[If you don't have a good GPU and must work online, strawberry jam makes for a good substitute in your render prompts.] :o
Quote from: zircher on February 03, 2023, 01:17:11 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 03, 2023, 01:07:56 PM
If you want an uncensored AI youwill have to make it yourself.
Which is why I run Stable Diffusion on my local machine rather than using the online versions. Sometimes I really do need blood splattered nuns with machine guns fighting zombie hordes for a project. :D
[If you don't have a good GPU and must work online, strawberry jam makes for a good substitute in your render prompts.] :o
LOL, for a moment I thought you were talking about a different AI "Art" Generator.
The funniest thing about StableDiffusion and other image-generating AIs was the shock from various corners that people would use it to make porn.
I want to believe that they were just doing the 'shocked, shocked' bit for public consumption, but I can't shake the belief that they really didn't expect the AI to be put to that kind of use.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on February 03, 2023, 01:19:21 PM
The funniest thing about StableDiffusion and other image-generating AIs was the shock from various corners that people would use it to make porn.
I want to believe that they were just doing the 'shocked, shocked' bit for public consumption, but I can't shake the belief that they really didn't expect the AI to be put to that kind of use.
Only until the developers get to censoring that part. Then it will only produce LGBTQWERTY porn.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on February 03, 2023, 01:19:21 PM
The funniest thing about StableDiffusion and other image-generating AIs was the shock from various corners that people would use it to make porn.
I want to believe that they were just doing the 'shocked, shocked' bit for public consumption, but I can't shake the belief that they really didn't expect the AI to be put to that kind of use.
Sure, but can it make cat videos? :D
Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 03, 2023, 01:32:18 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on February 03, 2023, 01:19:21 PM
The funniest thing about StableDiffusion and other image-generating AIs was the shock from various corners that people would use it to make porn.
I want to believe that they were just doing the 'shocked, shocked' bit for public consumption, but I can't shake the belief that they really didn't expect the AI to be put to that kind of use.
Only until the developers get to censoring that part. Then it will only produce LGBTQWERTY porn.
Oh, they did do that. The problem is that everyone involved in the 'make naked pictures' market just didn't bother with upgrading their copies to the 'latest version'.
Does that sound kinda familiar to you? Like something we've been talking about in regards to RPGs?
Quote from: Steven Mitchell on February 03, 2023, 01:38:45 PM
Sure, but can it make cat videos? :D
Probably. :D
Quote from: Ghostmaker on February 03, 2023, 02:16:26 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 03, 2023, 01:32:18 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on February 03, 2023, 01:19:21 PM
The funniest thing about StableDiffusion and other image-generating AIs was the shock from various corners that people would use it to make porn.
I want to believe that they were just doing the 'shocked, shocked' bit for public consumption, but I can't shake the belief that they really didn't expect the AI to be put to that kind of use.
Only until the developers get to censoring that part. Then it will only produce LGBTQWERTY porn.
Oh, they did do that. The problem is that everyone involved in the 'make naked pictures' market just didn't bother with upgrading their copies to the 'latest version'.
Does that sound kinda familiar to you? Like something we've been talking about in regards to RPGs?
Quote from: Steven Mitchell on February 03, 2023, 01:38:45 PM
Sure, but can it make cat videos? :D
Probably. :D
Well, assuming Wotzi is trying to build a VTT/MMORPG with AI DMs those censorship tools would come in handy for the wokesters.
Thing is the MMORPG player base doesn't like censorship, neither do most of the TTRPG players I know, even some that are socialists.
I can't see their hellspawn doing well if they go THAT way. But given that they are run by true believers...